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Help with identifying old mushrooms
#28589926 - 12/19/23 02:38 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Please help to identify these guys. This is my first post so hope enough info.
Found in a pot plant with wood chip potting mix in a garden store in New Zealand.
Hard to expand on other details as fully spent and blowen already when found. but I do see some bruising on stems and managed to get a little bit of a spore print.
See pics.
The stems where woody and tough to break, the top/caps crumble now. The bruising was slow, but did happen, and im assuming this would be better as already dryish/finished.
Grown in tight clusters, very wavey too
Cap: range from 20mm to 60mm. Crumbling and red brown to red black.
Spore print color: think brownish redish, darkening over time.
Bruising: Color that the mushroom bruises, if any? Recon the bruising is dark blueish, going to purple black.
Other information: Scent of the mushroom? Faint mushroom i suppose.
anything else you think is important? It is early spring, but believe these have recently been transported from a warmer climate.
large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.


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They're a little fucked up but it's probably psilocybe subaeruginosa. Could also be p.cyanescens, I guess.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28589996 - 12/19/23 03:21 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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I think the striated caps might point away from the more common species. However the state of these speak against good identification from pictures alone.
I believe there are at least one unidentified NZ Psilocybe species known to fruit in greenhouse plant pots. If I remember correctly, that is. Haven't seen inski on here in a long time, hopefully he pops by with an educated comment.
For the time being, it would be nice if you kept up the humidity to check if more fruits show up.
Could they perhaps be P. tasmaniana? 
Nice first post in any case, welcome to the Shroomery.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28590057 - 12/19/23 04:05 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish]
#28590070 - 12/19/23 04:10 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Thanks for the Intel. I have re-chipped the top of the pot with clean wood chip, and will repot into a larger pot with a woodchip potting mix mix, and keep watered. Luckily we heading into warmer months, but have had some cold snaps lately. So not sure if that triggered out of season flush.
Added another pic too
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish]
#28590076 - 12/19/23 04:11 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Thanks for the Intel. I have re-chipped the top of the pot with clean wood chip, and will repot into a larger pot with a woodchip potting mix mix, and keep watered. Luckily we heading into warmer months, but have had some cold snaps lately. So not sure if that triggered out of season flush.
Added another pic too
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Please dry and keep a few in case no more show up and you want someone to study them further.
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I think the pot plant psilocybe is actually P. angulospora.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Dandurn777]
#28590122 - 12/19/23 04:35 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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I can't really tell, at least not from these photos.
I sent inski a asking for him to take a look.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Dandurn777]
#28590248 - 12/19/23 06:11 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Dandurn777 said: I think the pot plant psilocybe is actually P. angulospora.
I think you might be right! Never seen angulospora with wavy caps like this, but it fits. And angulosporas can get wavy caps. Nice one.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28590262 - 12/19/23 06:21 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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These are Psilocybe in Section Semilanceata and quite closely related to semilanceata.
They are one of the ones that were unofficially called ‘Psilocybe tasmaniana’ for a while.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28590277 - 12/19/23 06:31 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Mycoangulo said: They are one of the ones that were unofficially called ‘Psilocybe tasmaniana’ for a while.
The same then as the ones named P. tasmaniana on several MO observations?
Or something different?
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish] 1
#28590311 - 12/19/23 06:52 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Wow, great response. Thanks for that all that piped in. Here's another pot plant mushroom I just saw while buying garden supplies. I will do a spore print and full post in next few days, but any quick thoughts that I can research?
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Interconnectedness said: Wow, great response. Thanks for that all that piped in. Here's another pot plant mushroom I just saw while buying garden supplies. I will do a spore print and full post in next few days, but any quick thoughts that I can research?

Search "psilocybe angulospora"!
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28590319 - 12/19/23 06:59 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Cheers... I will do my homework.
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Quote:
Interconnectedness said: Wow, great response. Thanks for that all that piped in. Here's another pot plant mushroom I just saw while buying garden supplies. I will do a spore print and full post in next few days, but any quick thoughts that I can research?

Wow, you'll definitely have to increase your potted plant buying budget!
That looks quite like P. angulospora, indeed. Possibly then you got the same ones yourself.
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Yep, the second set are definitely Psilocybe angulospora.
Anglerfish, yes, though I don’t know if they are Al the same. I’m not saying they aren’t though. I’m not sure.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28590369 - 12/19/23 07:29 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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If you get a visible print from the angulospora keel it clean and keep it.
Psilocybe angulospora in New Zealand rarely produce visible prints, and so prints are in short supply.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28590547 - 12/19/23 09:27 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Tin foil is best to keep safe, no?
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Tinfoil is the way to go
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu] 1
#28590635 - 12/19/23 10:46 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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It's definitely not Psilocybe subaeruginosa or P. angulospora, it's either P. tasmaniana or an undescribed species from Section Stuntzae.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: inski]
#28590656 - 12/19/23 11:13 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Cool. But I think we're talking about two species here. I think you're right that the first ones are tasmaniana, but the second ones, picture 8 & 9? Tasmaniana isn't supposed to have a papilla like that, are they?
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28590763 - 12/20/23 02:42 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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I believe inski is addressing the first ones.
Although if the second set isn't P. angulospora, it wouldn't surprise me either.
Psilocybe in NZ appears to be a .
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish]
#28590888 - 12/20/23 06:39 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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It would surprise me a lot if the mushrooms in, I think, the 13th comment, weren’t angulospora.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28591015 - 12/20/23 08:37 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Don't see what else it could be.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish]
#28591171 - 12/20/23 10:56 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: I believe inski is addressing the first ones.
Although if the second set isn't P. angulospora, it wouldn't surprise me either.
Psilocybe in NZ appears to be a .
Yes, those other pale ones with the acute papilla are P. angulospora, good luck getting a visible print 👍
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: inski]
#28591936 - 12/20/23 08:10 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Haha, wouldn't even bother! These aren't his mushrooms, though. It's from his local garden shop where he got the tasmanianas. Apparently you can just go to a garden shop in NZ if you want to go mushroom hunting. I'd make this my new hunting ground! 😁
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28592138 - 12/21/23 12:16 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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They become yours if you buy the plant.
You can go in to plant shops in many parts of the world and find psilocybin mushrooms growing in the soil. Probably most parts of the world.
But this doesn’t mean you will.
New Zealand might have a nice selection that have been found in this habitat, I can think of six species. However I went to this habitat earlier today to have a look (and to buy some plants) and I found no psilocybin mushrooms, which is a fairly normal outcome.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Mycoangulo]
#28592245 - 12/21/23 04:27 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Mycoangulo said: They become yours if you buy the plant.
You can go in to plant shops in many parts of the world and find psilocybin mushrooms growing in the soil. Probably most parts of the world.
But this doesn’t mean you will.
New Zealand might have a nice selection that have been found in this habitat, I can think of six species. However I went to this habitat earlier today to have a look (and to buy some plants) and I found no psilocybin mushrooms, which is a fairly normal outcome.
Tempting to try finding a loophole in the biodiversity and import laws of Norway and start importing already potted plants from NZ!
Or maybe somebody from NZ could start selling bags of NZ plant potting mix.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish]
#28592652 - 12/21/23 11:44 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Sorry guys, i completely missed the 2nd page thread... getting interesting.
Heres some progress images.i Will keep loading pics as they mature. Capturing a viable Spore print is still an unknown, but I see a faint pattern on the foil starting under one. Have some agar plates sorted too so will see if I can keep this strain going.
Thanks for the mind food.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: inski]
#28592659 - 12/21/23 11:51 AM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Hi, and thanks for the info.
Fyi- 



Here is a couple of other pics as they mature.
When is the ideal time to pick for spore printing these (or at least try)?
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: inski]
#28592732 - 12/21/23 01:09 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Further info
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: rhizoRider]
#28593030 - 12/21/23 05:03 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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I'm just here because I know Inski will be.
We've been discussing Angulospora for a little while. That second set sure does look like them from what I've seen. I'm working a culture now and have done way too much research lol.
Thanks for posting this!
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That's some cute angulosporas! ⁸
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28595488 - 12/23/23 04:29 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Hypothetically, if I wanted to confirm what the old mushies in my first pics actual sequencing is (... "re confirm what inski suggested as likely P. tasmaniana or an undescribed species from Section Stuntzae") what/who is the contact to process in NZ?
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Anglerfish]
#28595492 - 12/23/23 04:32 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Please dry and keep a few in case no more show up and you want someone to study them further.
.... cool..is there a contact in NZ for these type of studies, as would be good to confirm/capture DNA for future if they don't fruit again?
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Not sure about in NZ, but you could send them to This project in Ohio US. Those angulospora are so cool looking.
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 A few days later.
Such cool pictures, thanks for sharing!
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Land Trout]
#28595532 - 12/23/23 05:07 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Thanks. Recon that might be a bit tricky  .
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Yeah, something about mailing contraband across international borders. Inski or Myco should know.
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: inski]
#28595608 - 12/23/23 06:02 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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inski said: It's definitely not Psilocybe subaeruginosa or P. angulospora, it's either P. tasmaniana or an undescribed species from Section Stuntzae.
@inski, Any ideas on who can sequence in NZ?
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Re: Help with identifying old mushrooms [Re: Land Trout]
#28595655 - 12/23/23 06:41 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Interconnectedness said: Thanks. Recon that might be a bit tricky  .
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Land Trout said: Yeah, something about mailing contraband across international borders. Inski or Myco should know.
It is very unlikely that mailing a dried specimen in an anonymous envelope will pose any risk at all. Alan receives stuff from all over the world all the time. Just don't write "hallucinogenic mushrooms" anywhere. "Herbarium material for study/analysis" should suffice as a goods description.
If you're paranoid about US customs you can send them for sequencing to alvalab.es which is in Spain, but it will cost you somewhere around 20 Euro for an ITS sequence. I would reckon it's worth the money to get an answer - if indeed there is something similar present in Genbank.
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#28595812 - 12/23/23 09:16 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: I believe inski is addressing the first ones.
Although if the second set isn't P. angulospora, it wouldn't surprise me either.
Psilocybe in NZ appears to be a .
Yes, those other pale ones with the acute papilla are P. angulospora, good luck getting a visible print 👍
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Anglerfish said: I believe inski is addressing the first ones.
Although if the second set isn't P. angulospora, it wouldn't surprise me either.
Psilocybe in NZ appears to be a .
Yes, those other pale ones with the acute papilla are P. angulospora, good luck getting a visible print 👍
Fyi. After about 3 days, "and lifting atleast 3 times" , I see this light print forming. Hopefully the others "which I won't touch" will result in a better print.
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