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loladoreen


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Houseless Population 1
#28588501 - 12/18/23 03:00 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I recently was in Seattle, Olympia, the entire west side and noticed a dramatic drop in the houseless population. I have seen that there has been a drop reported in most major cities. Where have they gone? I saw a video where a woman in San Francisco stated that her sister and her sisters husbands were on the streets, and she had their children. And her sister called a few times a day and often visited. She stated her sister reported that they were all being moved. And she has not heard from her sister since. And is concerned. I am also concerned. I was shocked that they were gone. We thought maybe the camps moved or went by the freeway. Nothing... literally no camps at all. This past weekend I was in downtown Seattle. Where before I was stepping over them while walking around. Now, no one was there.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL
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They changed the laws there because people are fed up with the bullshit. They cleared out a bunch of camps recently and started locking people up for various things like open drug use/possession and petty theft and simple assults which weren't criminal for some insane reason
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loladoreen


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What state did that happen in? Not in the state I live in.
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A new law allowing forcible removal of the homeless and public drug users went into effect on October 1st in Seattle, so I'm guessing that the cops have been spending their days bulldozing encampments.
So the homeless are probably either in jail, or recently de-tented. Probably moving south for the winter, as well. Shit gets chilly even with a tent. Without a tent? You'd be fucked.
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loladoreen


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What about other places? San Fran for example It was odd... I saw one person... ONE. It was so weird. I need to look that up. Is that in relation to Blakes law?
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Homeless people sometimes go south for the winter.
I did some temp work with homeless drug addicts a long time ago and they moved with the weather.
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loladoreen


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28588589 - 12/18/23 04:01 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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My friend who has been house less for awhile just got housing today!!!!!! His struggles are horrendous. And he has a fulltime job and has been sleeping outside. Today we celebrate!
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GenesisCorrupted
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loladoreen said: I recently was in Seattle, Olympia, the entire west side and noticed a dramatic drop in the houseless population. I have seen that there has been a drop reported in most major cities. Where have they gone? I saw a video where a woman in San Francisco stated that her sister and her sisters husbands were on the streets, and she had their children. And her sister called a few times a day and often visited. She stated her sister reported that they were all being moved. And she has not heard from her sister since. And is concerned. I am also concerned. I was shocked that they were gone. We thought maybe the camps moved or went by the freeway. Nothing... literally no camps at all. This past weekend I was in downtown Seattle. Where before I was stepping over them while walking around. Now, no one was there.
None! The camp set up under the overpasses leading into Seattle, all of it! That’s not right. There’s no way all those people would’ve agreed to leave by choice.
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28588637 - 12/18/23 04:36 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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They were forcibly removed, most likely.
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loladoreen said: What about other places? San Fran for example It was odd... I saw one person... ONE. It was so weird. I need to look that up. Is that in relation to Blakes law?
San Francisco's anti-homeless laws were under judicial injunction, which was lifted October 18th of this year. Cops can now (essentially) walk up to a homeless person, point them to a shelter, and arrest them if they don't immediately start walking to the shelter.
Similarly, the police were, until recently, prevented from enforcing laws against sitting/lying down in public or camping in public. That restriction has now been lifted.
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kryptos]
#28588640 - 12/18/23 04:38 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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The problem is those shelters are about as well protected as the bunk room from squid games. People get raped and robbed in those things every night. They don’t do anything to try and prevent psychopaths from trying to use the same room as somebody who is desperately trying to stay alive.
If they actually made those homeless shelters hospitable… So many homeless people that refuse to go to them would.
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loladoreen


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28588644 - 12/18/23 04:44 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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They get trafficked in the shelters. Not all shelters are negative. But, every houseless person I know refuses to stay in them due to safety reasons. I have assisted people in getting in and they leave after being robbed, beaten, raped, etc. It can be really bad. I take that back, I do know of someone that goes to them. Very unsafe for young people, children, smaller built people that can easily be targeted.
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I find all of it to be completely unacceptable. It would not be hard to just give these people a necklace that they could push and then have an alarm go off in the room, and the lights turned on. That person who is assaulting them, should be arrested on the spot. By the security guard that works there at night. Those two things do not cost much.
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There's constant job listings for the shelters here. Also a decent amount of public tax funding for anyone willing to take the problem on and come up with better systems.
If you think you've got the situation figured out, I'd recommend getting involved. Pay isn't the best for working at a shelter but it's meaningful work. And if you actually can implement your ideas in reality you could make bank from tax payer money
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kickle] 1
#28588716 - 12/18/23 05:24 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I knew a lot of homeless people that were happy as could be.
Definitely smart enough to enter the system but most of them just loved freedom to do whatever they wanted.
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kickle]
#28588740 - 12/18/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Kickle said: And if you actually can implement your ideas in reality you could make bank from tax payer money
These seem mutually exclusive. Wealthy charities are often funded by wealthy people looking for some sort of...let's call it "values based giving". See: salvation army, goodwill, AA, ADF, that type of thing.
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loladoreen


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: mycosis]
#28588954 - 12/18/23 07:52 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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mycosis said: I knew a lot of homeless people that were happy as could be.
Definitely smart enough to enter the system but most of them just loved freedom to do whatever they wanted.
True In the last 10 years they are not the majority
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loladoreen


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I see seed grants often for start up But theres no money in it and your married to it
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] 1
#28589516 - 12/19/23 08:50 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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loladoreen said: What about other places? San Fran for example It was odd... I saw one person... ONE. It was so weird. I need to look that up. Is that in relation to Blakes law?
They have huge tent cities now. Been a thing for a few years.
Eureka/Arcata is also a hub for the homeless migrations. They did some earlier slash and toss this year, last month maybe.
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loladoreen


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I'm in downtown Seattle. No houseless population like there was.
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28603138 - 12/30/23 09:25 AM (28 days, 11 hours ago) |
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Kryptos said: A new law allowing forcible removal of the homeless and public drug users went into effect on October 1st in Seattle, so I'm guessing that the cops have been spending their days bulldozing encampments.
So the homeless are probably either in jail, or recently de-tented. Probably moving south for the winter, as well. Shit gets chilly even with a tent. Without a tent? You'd be fucked.
The depravity is almost too much, even in liberal strongholds like Seattle.
It’s like in the old West where there’d be a tuberculosis outbreak or something and they’d just move all the sick folks into a barn outside of town where they can die. Helping them is too expensive and their existence is bumming me out, so fuck em!
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The Ecstatic said:
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Kryptos said: A new law allowing forcible removal of the homeless and public drug users went into effect on October 1st in Seattle, so I'm guessing that the cops have been spending their days bulldozing encampments.
So the homeless are probably either in jail, or recently de-tented. Probably moving south for the winter, as well. Shit gets chilly even with a tent. Without a tent? You'd be fucked.
The depravity is almost too much, even in liberal strongholds like Seattle.
It’s like in the old West where there’d be a tuberculosis outbreak or something and they’d just move all the sick folks into a barn outside of town where they can die. Helping them is too expensive and their existence is bumming me out, so fuck em!
Unfortunately, even at times when folks are dedicated to helping the homeless, they are still targeted.
The Betty Chin Center in Eureka has been vandalized and burgled many times in the past 10+years. Last year, some livable, modular-trailers she had donated to her were torched (never determined whether it was homeless or housed-folk who don't like the Center helping homeless), meaning several homeless families that would have had homes had to continue doing without.
It's a really nuanced set of issues, with no "one-size-fits-all" approach.
The EPD and APD go around 2-3x per year slashing tents and destroying property. Then they offer nowhere for the homeless to go. OCCASIONALLY they buy them bus passes to bigger cities where there may be public/private resources available. But again, this doesn't solve anything, especially since quite a number.of homeless do actually have jobs.
The flip side is that the homeless encampment often start fires in the summers with warming-fires. Our little town almost blazed twice last year because of it.
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
#28603172 - 12/30/23 09:55 AM (28 days, 11 hours ago) |
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I watched a video about a man who was art of the swoop in San Francisco. He said they were put in buses and taken to a state in the sw, given food and a promise of housing. He said they were drugged and he watched them be killed. I understand it could be false. Idk anymore Everyone is gone.
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We have a pretty bad homeless situation where I live. I think the government should build more shelters so these people can live there instead of on the street....they already have emergency shelters for extreme weather, they can just expand on those.
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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Joh.Ke] 1
#28603596 - 12/30/23 05:24 PM (28 days, 3 hours ago) |
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It's 2024 pollution, disease, riots, and a chaotic social order have turned major cities into a giant roach trap for humans. Thankfully our government has found the perfect solution
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Stupid unnecessary problems like this should be expected in a society where the leaders are literally just preparing for the next war to happen by strengthening their military over time.
It's this mindset that has been imprinted into the majority, thus driving people to become addicted to acquiring possessions and money.
If no war ever happens, then all of the effort, time, and money they have put into the military has all been for nothing. In vain.
Why are the world leaders all preparing for a world war, instead of looking for a solution to the problems?
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