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    #28588501 - 12/18/23 03:00 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I recently was in Seattle, Olympia, the entire west side and noticed a dramatic drop in the houseless population.
I have seen that there has been a drop reported in most major cities.
Where have they gone?
I saw a video where a woman in San Francisco stated that her sister and her sisters husbands were on the streets, and she had their children. And her sister called a few times a day and often visited. She stated her sister reported that they were all being moved. And she has not heard from her sister since. And is concerned.
I am also concerned.
I was shocked that they were gone. We thought maybe the camps moved or went by the freeway. Nothing... literally no camps at all. 
This past weekend I was in downtown Seattle. Where before I was stepping over them while walking around. Now, no one was there.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588533 - 12/18/23 03:23 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

They changed the laws there because people are fed up with the bullshit. They cleared out a bunch of camps recently and started locking people up for various things like open drug use/possession and petty theft and simple assults which weren't criminal for some insane reason :confused:


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588552 - 12/18/23 03:36 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

What state did that happen in?
Not in the state I live in.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588575 - 12/18/23 03:53 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

A new law allowing forcible removal of the homeless and public drug users went into effect on October 1st in Seattle, so I'm guessing that the cops have been spending their days bulldozing encampments.

So the homeless are probably either in jail, or recently de-tented. Probably moving south for the winter, as well. Shit gets chilly even with a tent. Without a tent? You'd be fucked.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588578 - 12/18/23 03:54 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

What about other places? San Fran for example
It was odd... I saw one person... ONE.
It was so weird.
I need to look that up. Is that in relation to Blakes law?


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588584 - 12/18/23 03:58 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)



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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588586 - 12/18/23 03:58 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

Homeless people sometimes go south for the winter.

I did some temp work with homeless drug addicts a long time ago and they moved with the weather.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28588589 - 12/18/23 04:01 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)



My friend who has been house less for awhile just got housing today!!!!!!
His struggles are horrendous.
And he has a fulltime job and has been sleeping outside.
Today we celebrate!


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588615 - 12/18/23 04:21 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

Quote:

loladoreen said:
I recently was in Seattle, Olympia, the entire west side and noticed a dramatic drop in the houseless population.
I have seen that there has been a drop reported in most major cities.
Where have they gone?
I saw a video where a woman in San Francisco stated that her sister and her sisters husbands were on the streets, and she had their children. And her sister called a few times a day and often visited. She stated her sister reported that they were all being moved. And she has not heard from her sister since. And is concerned.
I am also concerned.
I was shocked that they were gone. We thought maybe the camps moved or went by the freeway. Nothing... literally no camps at all. 
This past weekend I was in downtown Seattle. Where before I was stepping over them while walking around. Now, no one was there.




None!
The camp set up under the overpasses leading into Seattle, all of it!
That’s not right. There’s no way all those people would’ve agreed to leave by choice.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28588637 - 12/18/23 04:36 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

They were forcibly removed, most likely.


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loladoreen said:
What about other places? San Fran for example
It was odd... I saw one person... ONE.
It was so weird.
I need to look that up. Is that in relation to Blakes law?




San Francisco's anti-homeless laws were under judicial injunction, which was lifted October 18th of this year. Cops can now (essentially) walk up to a homeless person, point them to a shelter, and arrest them if they don't immediately start walking to the shelter.

Similarly, the police were, until recently, prevented from enforcing laws against sitting/lying down in public or camping in public. That restriction has now been lifted.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kryptos]
    #28588640 - 12/18/23 04:38 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

The problem is those shelters are about as well protected as the bunk room from squid games. People get raped and robbed in those things every night. They don’t do anything to try and prevent psychopaths from trying to use the same room as somebody who is desperately trying to stay alive.

If they actually made those homeless shelters hospitable…
So many homeless people that refuse to go to them would.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28588644 - 12/18/23 04:44 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

They get trafficked in the shelters.
Not all shelters are negative.
But, every houseless person I know refuses to stay in them due to safety reasons.
I have assisted people in getting in and they leave after being robbed, beaten, raped, etc.
It can be really bad.
I take that back, I do know of someone that goes to them.
Very unsafe for young people, children, smaller built people that can easily be targeted.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588656 - 12/18/23 04:52 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I find all of it to be completely unacceptable. It would not be hard to just give these people a necklace that they could push and then have an alarm go off in the room, and the lights turned on. That person who is assaulting them, should be arrested on the spot. By the security guard that works there at night.
Those two things do not cost much.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28588667 - 12/18/23 04:58 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

There's constant job listings for the shelters here. Also a decent amount of public tax funding for anyone willing to take the problem on and come up with better systems.

If you think you've got the situation figured out, I'd recommend getting involved. Pay isn't the best for working at a shelter but it's meaningful work. And if you actually can implement your ideas in reality you could make bank from tax payer money


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28588716 - 12/18/23 05:24 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I knew a lot of homeless people that were happy as could be.

Definitely smart enough to enter the system but most of them just loved freedom to do whatever they wanted.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: Kickle]
    #28588740 - 12/18/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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Kickle said:
And if you actually can implement your ideas in reality you could make bank from tax payer money




These seem mutually exclusive. Wealthy charities are often funded by wealthy people looking for some sort of...let's call it "values based giving". See: salvation army, goodwill, AA, ADF, that type of thing.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: mycosis]
    #28588954 - 12/18/23 07:52 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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mycosis said:
I knew a lot of homeless people that were happy as could be.

Definitely smart enough to enter the system but most of them just loved freedom to do whatever they wanted.



True
In the last 10 years they are not the majority


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28588956 - 12/18/23 07:52 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I see seed grants often for start up
But theres no money in it and your married to it


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28589516 - 12/19/23 08:50 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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loladoreen said:
What about other places? San Fran for example
It was odd... I saw one person... ONE.
It was so weird.
I need to look that up. Is that in relation to Blakes law?






They have huge tent cities now. Been a thing for a few years.

Eureka/Arcata is also a hub for the homeless migrations. They did some earlier slash and toss this year, last month maybe.


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Re: Houseless Population [Re: loladoreen]
    #28602349 - 12/29/23 02:21 PM (29 days, 6 hours ago)

I'm in downtown Seattle.
No houseless population like there was.


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