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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr] 1
#28589378 - 12/19/23 05:56 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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truth_hunterr said: How do i actualy send some? (Legaly and financialy speaking)
Take one completely dried specimen, put in a zip lock bag and put that in an envelope with the correct address and amount of stamps. On the declaration sticker write "fungal herbarium sample" or something similar. One single mushroom in an envelope is usually no problem.
To make it easier for the recipient, you should make an account on mushroomobserver.org and post the find there, and then mark the zip lock bag with the observation number. Thus there will be a verifiable reference to the find, including the pictures. It is often hard for busy mycologists to keep track of all the material they receive in the post, so this will be helpful so as not to lose track of it. Of course, sometimes even that isn't enough and the sample might get lost anyway. Or what do you say, Alan?
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28589389 - 12/19/23 06:12 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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These look very yellow, more than usual. Despite serbica frequent inability to drop spores, here the case might be that these have low spore count, basically sterile.
Mature specimens most of the time have darker color of the gills:
https://mushroomobserver.org/473292?q=1pTEY https://mushroomobserver.org/473461?q=1pTEY https://mushroomobserver.org/475481?q=1pTEY
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Those gills look immature to me. A lot of times the P. alenii or cyanescens I find take quite a while for the gills to develop enough spores to really drop a print. Sometimes there’s some that will never really develop spores. Basically if I look at the gills and don’t see the purple/brown color visible I wouldn’t even try to print it because at best you’ll get a faint print, but more typically you’ll get no print.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Dandurn777]
#28589474 - 12/19/23 08:06 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Had same problem with angulospora. Wouldn't drop shit even if mature.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28589517 - 12/19/23 08:51 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Angulospora is in a different ballpark than serbica, or mairei, if you will. Angulospora is notorious for its low spore production, with speculation suggesting that isolation on an island resulted in a bottlenecked gene pool, potentially giving rise to peculiar traits such as low spore production. Normal serbica will release a significant number of spores if kept moist and picked at the right time.
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I suggest more specimens, perhaps from a different location, are needed. Might be some genetics behind this. Could be the same phenomenon we see from timeto time in P. semilanceata, for instance.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Anglerfish]
#28589803 - 12/19/23 12:56 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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I've found liberty caps like that. I took them for sterile. Aren't they? Same size patch as thus guy's, grew there for two years then disappeared. Always wondered, what is the lifespan of a p.semilanceata? Happened three more times with mushrooms with other easily distinguished features. Two years then gone (Sorry for going off topic).
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28590009 - 12/19/23 03:36 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: I've found liberty caps like that. I took them for sterile. Aren't they? Same size patch as thus guy's, grew there for two years then disappeared. Always wondered, what is the lifespan of a p.semilanceata? Happened three more times with mushrooms with other easily distinguished features. Two years then gone (Sorry for going off topic).
"Sterile" is just layman's term I guess. It works fine but is probably not correct myco lingo. I see them every season, most commonly in areas with more numerous colonies. As for most saprobic mushrooms I guess the life span of a wild mycelium patch is as long as there are nutrients to feed on. I've read that P. semilanceata also can grow sclerotia for the purpose of hibernation through harsh winters. Hard to tell since they're so difficult to cultivate and thus observe.
I'm not sure if woodlovers can do the same, though, however I doubt it since they mostly grow on more ephemeral debris like twigs and chips, which are relatively quickly broken down. Then again, the woodloving species growing outside of man made landscaping must have a way of keeping up the game, and a live forest will usually provide new substrate continuously.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Anglerfish]
#28590183 - 12/19/23 05:18 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Im enjoying this discussion, one question tho the picture in "psilocybin mushrooms of the world" put by paul stamets feature gills that are very dark with mature speciemen, mine obviously dont.. what's the deal here? Did he use a typical serbica picture or is it the original?
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28590185 - 12/19/23 05:20 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28590190 - 12/19/23 05:23 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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And since you're talking maturity, one of these guys had a stem that exceeds by 1cm the maximum that maire described (7.5) so i think its pretty mature. No?
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28590203 - 12/19/23 05:31 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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To be honest, you can forget Stamets' book, it is nearly 30 years old and a lot has happened in terms of knowledge concerning (hallucinogenic) mushrooms since then.
Not only has the quality of mushroom pictures become a zillion times better, but the means of proper identification through DNA sequencing has helped clarify a lot of taxonomic difficulties.
I hope I'm not taking my mouth too full when I say that Shroomery is one of the more prominent sources of credible information available on hallucinogenic species. Thanks to the ever present eagerness to learn more about them.
That being said, there's hardly anything such as a "final word" on this topic.
Regarding your find, I believe the best photographic references available are the reported finds of P. serbica posted on the following site:
https://mushroomobserver.org/observations?page=1&pattern=psilocybe+serbica
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Anglerfish]
#28590827 - 12/20/23 05:28 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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With all due respect, 30 years old or not, it's the only "photographic evidence" available of that species, unless you have one laying around somewhere (if you do pls enlighten me).
I'm just saying that something is off, but who am i to judge, just a rookie seeking the truth.
Like you said there's no final word, so DNA is my last resort, thank you all deeply for your support.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28590884 - 12/20/23 06:37 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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I ended up with more questions than answers.. this whole sterile thing is new to me. The more you learn i guess
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#28590997 - 12/20/23 08:24 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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truth_hunterr said: With all due respect, 30 years old or not, it's the only "photographic evidence" available of that species, unless you have one laying around somewhere (if you do pls enlighten me)
Only recent photos I could find at the moment are of these found in Morocco in 2018:
https://mushroomobserver.org/344663
If you search the same site for P. serbica, you will immediately see how similar they look.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Anglerfish]
#28591068 - 12/20/23 09:17 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Haha what a welcome! One last question, how to tell if these are edible/active without dying?
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28591136 - 12/20/23 10:10 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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truth_hunterr said: Haha what a welcome! One last question, how to tell if these are edible/active without dying?
You found out these were psilocybe mairei/serbica, didn't you? You can tell they're active from the bruising... There are no poisonous psilocybes... Not sure I get what you mean.
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: Psilosadhu]
#28591255 - 12/20/23 11:45 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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I understand, im just double checking that really no psilocybes could be poisnous or cause stomach problems and all that stuff (since there are no trip reports from the actives of my region), like what's the lowest dosage one can begin with and what should one be looking out for?
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Re: [Algeria, psilocybe mairei habitat] ID help pls [Re: truth_hunterr]
#28591285 - 12/20/23 12:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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truth_hunterr said: Haha what a welcome! One last question, how to tell if these are edible/active without dying?
You found out these were psilocybe mairei/serbica, didn't you? You can tell they're active from the bruising... There are no poisonous psilocybes... Not sure I get what you mean.

Even if we didn't identify species correctly, and we 99% did, it's still Psilocybe, which means not poisonous.
We also presented possible explanations for the lack of spore prints, either due to them being sterile (low spore count) or possibly picked immaturely in terms of spore maturation, not physical size. While spores can mature after picking, the mushrooms might have dried too quickly during the printing process, preventing the opportunity for mature (purple-black) spores to drop. To address this, consider adding drops of water to their caps. As mentioned, I have observed people attempting to print serbica with no results; the reason for this occurrence is unclear to me. It is possible that the interruption of spore maturation by harvesting may be a contributing factor, but in general, they sporulate normally.
So I'm unsure why there is a "more questions than answers" sentiment present here. Regardless, you can send dry mushrooms to be sequenced for 20 euros and determine their identity with 100% accuracy. Try here: http://www.alvalab.es/
If you are worried about the dosage, consult the following page where you can find dosage chart for serbica: https://www.shroomery.org/12511/Psilocybe-serbica
If you refuse to believe it's Psilocybe serbica, then consume this Psilocybe species by taking an extremely low amount. If you refuse to believe it's Psilocybe species, then do as you please.
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Much appreciated thank you! i apologize for asking about the obvious and being somewhat dull. Rain is an issue around here at this time of the year, so i just focused and poured all my energy into just finding it before the season ends. Didnt have space to think of what comes after.
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