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Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects
#28588201 - 12/18/23 10:56 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Hi all,
Bit of a strange question, but I've seen on other sites where people have stated they drink their own urine whilst on shrooms, or at least whilst coming up as apparently the Psilocybin is converted that fast it can end up sat in the bladder, so if you go to the toilet you are basically throwing away pure Psilocin.
I can see the logic behind this given reindeer in Scandinavian countries consume Fly Agaric which is supposedly where the story of Santa and flying reindeer came from as the Saami reindeer herders would drink the urine and start tripping.
What do you think?
Normally I trip on an empty stomach and bladder, and I consume just by eating dry with a sip of water, but recently I tried making a brew. This worked fine (indeed I came up ridiculously quickly) but soon needed a wee which made me wonder if I should just hold it in or drink it! In the end I waited as long as I could then went to the toilet 
I also experience a couple of other weird effects when tripping which I'm hoping you can help with:
1. When I'm coming up, my throat feels really icy like I've gargled a load of alcoholic mouthwash or I've sucked a sore throat sweet. Any ideas why or anybody else get this?
2. Why veins in my legs hurt when tripping, especially my left leg inner thigh. Again, any ideas why or anybody else experience this?
Thanks in advance.
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Edited by Yelper85 (12/18/23 10:59 AM)
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 4
#28588209 - 12/18/23 11:04 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Man.... Don’t drink piss. Gross!!!
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 3
#28588227 - 12/18/23 11:11 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I’d suggest taking enough so you don’t feel like you’re lacking or missing anything. Those kind of ideas come out of desperation, I wouldn’t want to follow those people’s advice. I used to fast before taking a trip thinking I was doing it for some kind of experience, and I would get more high, again, that was out of desperation and lack of satisfaction. It wasn’t until later that I found out, they are enough. I’ve had such a better experience with mushrooms when I am well rested, hydrated, and not hungry. They go a lot further that way, give a lot more growth if I’m thinking about others, my relationships, and not thinking about my stomach.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Land Trout] 5
#28588256 - 12/18/23 11:28 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Piss drinkers leading the confused, future piss drinkers. This kinda feels like boofing to me. It's ok to just want to put drugs up your ass. You don't have to try and convince me that its about efficiency of uptake or whatever. I can get PLENTY high through standard routes of administration.
If you wanna drink your own piss while tripping, go for it; but let's skip the weird justifications.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: KevinDontWave]
#28588269 - 12/18/23 11:39 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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KevinDontWave said: Piss drinkers leading the confused, future piss drinkers. This kinda feels like boofing to me. It's ok to just want to put drugs up your ass. You don't have to try and convince me that its about efficiency of uptake or whatever. I can get PLENTY high through standard routes of administration.
If you wanna drink your own piss while tripping, go for it; but let's skip the weird justifications.
I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just asking the question. Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 3
#28588278 - 12/18/23 11:47 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Most of the folks on this forum are going to have a surplus of mushrooms and would never run into this dilemma… Definitely this is the best place to learn to grow your own in case you, too, would like to escape the urine drinking dilemma  
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 2
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28588305 - 12/18/23 12:09 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Blue Cthulhu said: Most of the folks on this forum are going to have a surplus of mushrooms and would never run into this dilemma… Definitely this is the best place to learn to grow your own in case you, too, would like to escape the urine drinking dilemma   
The shrooms I have now are home-grown, and yeah ideally I'd have a surplus but the 2 x 4lb bags I've had colonizing appear to be dead, and at least one has green mould in it yet I followed the instructions to the letter and did it in a clean controlled environment, so I'm rather annoyed as those two grows would certainly give me a surplus!
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28588341 - 12/18/23 12:35 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I hear ya, it can take a few attempts and experimenting with different methods to start to feel confident. Don’t let the failures get you down, all part of the learning experience
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
#28588415 - 12/18/23 01:40 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Blue Cthulhu said: I hear ya, it can take a few attempts and experimenting with different methods to start to feel confident. Don’t let the failures get you down, all part of the learning experience
I just wish the failures weren't so expensive or take so long to show they are failures
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28588459 - 12/18/23 02:22 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Interesting. Not something I would not consider. I stay hydrated and once over the come up I eat. I prefer empty stomach when taking them.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28588504 - 12/18/23 03:01 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said:
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Blue Cthulhu said: I hear ya, it can take a few attempts and experimenting with different methods to start to feel confident. Don’t let the failures get you down, all part of the learning experience
I just wish the failures weren't so expensive or take so long to show they are failures 
Don't wait for the first ones to fail in 2 months time before putting more in. Don't use commercial grow products.
This way if one fails your next one is only 2 weeks away and it is a cheap hobby.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner] 1
#28588580 - 12/18/23 03:56 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Oh man. I'm new to all of this but seriously. If I ever get to the point to where I even consider drinking my own piss, I'm out.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28588696 - 12/18/23 05:15 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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there's no psilocin in reindeer juice, you might be confusing two different things here.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee] 1
#28589051 - 12/18/23 08:59 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Depends how you're juicing your reindeer.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner]
#28589150 - 12/18/23 10:13 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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15-20% is excreted in feces as well so you might wanna think about eating your shit too.
And it’s in your blood. And in the brain of your friend…. Mmm brains
Edited by Bardy (12/18/23 10:14 PM)
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28589199 - 12/19/23 12:07 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Mmmm brains...
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28589231 - 12/19/23 01:10 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Bardy said: 15-20% is excreted in feces as well so you might wanna think about eating your shit too.
Would you suggest any sauce with that?
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28589234 - 12/19/23 01:18 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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orphee said: there's no psilocin in reindeer juice, you might be confusing two different things here.
I'm just going off what I've read, and ignoring the reindeer, the original question still stands as this came from two different people on other pages I found, so I wanted to know both how true it was, and if it could be that significant in terms of potency.
I mean let's say you've grown the best mushroom ever but only one dose left. You take it, and within 20 minutes you know this is going to be a good trip but you wish you had more to really intensify the trip. If you knew your piss contained significant Psilocybin or Psilocin, wouldn't you at least wonder/consider it . . . ? Maybe I'm a freak, but I would
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner]
#28589243 - 12/19/23 01:41 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Don't wait for the first ones to fail in 2 months time before putting more in. Don't use commercial grow products.
This way if one fails your next one is only 2 weeks away and it is a cheap hobby.
Hi @Northerner
When you say commercial products, could you elaborate? I'm in the UK so not sure if this changes your suggestion.
Currently I'm getting my injection bags from a UK site and they are rye with horse manure (I predominantly grow Panaeolus Cyanescens / Copelandia Hawaiian but also McKennaii). My liquid culture comes from the Netherlands. The 4lb bags cost £35/$44 each and the spores £35/$44 a vial (10ml, enough for one 4lb bag).
At the minute I don't know if the problem is vial contamination, bag contamination (when it manufactured, and they are made to order from what I was told), contamination from when I inoculated, or a combination of all those. I wear a mask, gloves, and always douse myself in isopropanol as well as my entire Martha tent so it's as clean as I can get it, and I inject in the tent as well.
If you have any suggestions on how to isolate the issue, or even just get the cost down so it does become cheap, please do let me know as it's the cost that's annoying more than the time frame.
As you suggested, the idea was to have one fruiting and one colonising to have a steady stream, but it's been one issue after another from lost packages to missing items, to customs confiscations and grows going bad. I just want it so I'm not always down to my last dose, or worse have nothing whilst I get another harvest from the small grow kits which is why I wanted to go bigger with these injection bags to stop all that.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 2
#28589245 - 12/19/23 02:00 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said: Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
Instead of some piss, might i suggest some Harmalas? lol. Psilohuasca is where it's at yo, if you're not taking any SSRI's or MDMA alongside the mushrooms, you can take Harmalas, it'll not only potentiate the dosage of mushrooms/Psilocin by at least twice as strong, but it'll also stretch out in duration to 9 to 12 hours, and the Harmalas add beneficial aspects and shifts in the nature/character/effects of the experience, makes it a bit more DMT-like as well (minus DMT's Adrenergic intensity, so, smoother than DMT but can feel nearly identical in most aspects)... overall it's something worth checking out, it'll definitely get you more out of it.
The only thing about Harmalas is they can cause nausea/vomiting sometimes, particularly with high Harmala dosages, but ime Psilohuasca, unlike Ayahuasca, doesn't seem particularly nauseating or emetic, whereas Aya using DMT can definitely cause some nausea/vomiting but my stomach has always for the most part been just fine with the Psilohuasca, but the reason i mention that is because it can be worth using higher dosages of the Harmalas, because the more MAO-A inhibition you have going on in the gut, the more potentiated the Psilocin is, and so with a higher Harmala dosage, you wouldn't need much mushrooms at all for a fully immersive experience, just like with Aya using DMT, the more Harmalas you use the less DMT/Psilocin you need, the less Harmalas you use the more DMT/Psilocin you need to fill the gap, so going higher on the Harmala dosage will let you get away with using less mushrooms.
And, you can use Harmala extracts, or even pure Harmine, maybe even add some THH to the mix, instead of using the Harmala-containing plants, and then it'll feel much lighter on the gut, lighter on the bodyload, and can be more accurately dosed, but at the same time, i prefer and recommend the plants but for a cleaner experience/effect extracts are definitely worth consideration, plus you can make your own extracts pretty easily if you'd rather do that, it's cheaper than buying them.
Also make sure to take the Harmalas first, wait 30 minutes and eat mushrooms, or take Harmalas, wait an hour, and drink mushroom tea. So that gut MAO-A can get inhibited by the time the Psilocin is consumed so that it's properly potentiated.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28589257 - 12/19/23 02:20 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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First of all you have to calculate how long it will take for a substance to pass through the system and what they are passed as after metabolism. So if we look at some of these papers. About 3.5% of psilocybin is excreted in the urine as free psilocybin. Not only that approximately 80% of psilocin is eliminated as psilocin-O-glucuronide.
If I am reading this right, you better enjoy drinking piss for its flavor.
The Detection of Psilocin in Human Urine
Metabolism of psilocybin and psilocin: clinical and forensic toxicological relevance
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Kiwi89]
#28589273 - 12/19/23 02:31 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28589309 - 12/19/23 03:24 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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someone figured out that if you drink reindeer urine after they get high eating amanita muscaria, you'll get high as well. if they ain't reindeer around some dude (usually the shaman) will take one for the team, acting as a filtration system, you can drink their piss.
when it comes to psilocybin mushrooms, everyone who replied here is telling you it's not a thing.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28589350 - 12/19/23 05:09 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Stop telling us about how to juice a reindeer? 
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Sabnock]
#28589409 - 12/19/23 06:42 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said: Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
Instead of some piss, might i suggest some Harmalas? lol. Psilohuasca is where it's at yo, if you're not taking any SSRI's or MDMA alongside the mushrooms, you can take Harmalas, it'll not only potentiate the dosage of mushrooms/Psilocin by at least twice as strong, but it'll also stretch out in duration to 9 to 12 hours, and the Harmalas add beneficial aspects and shifts in the nature/character/effects of the experience, makes it a bit more DMT-like as well (minus DMT's Adrenergic intensity, so, smoother than DMT but can feel nearly identical in most aspects)... overall it's something worth checking out, it'll definitely get you more out of it.
The only thing about Harmalas is they can cause nausea/vomiting sometimes, particularly with high Harmala dosages, but ime Psilohuasca, unlike Ayahuasca, doesn't seem particularly nauseating or emetic, whereas Aya using DMT can definitely cause some nausea/vomiting but my stomach has always for the most part been just fine with the Psilohuasca, but the reason i mention that is because it can be worth using higher dosages of the Harmalas, because the more MAO-A inhibition you have going on in the gut, the more potentiated the Psilocin is, and so with a higher Harmala dosage, you wouldn't need much mushrooms at all for a fully immersive experience, just like with Aya using DMT, the more Harmalas you use the less DMT/Psilocin you need, the less Harmalas you use the more DMT/Psilocin you need to fill the gap, so going higher on the Harmala dosage will let you get away with using less mushrooms.
And, you can use Harmala extracts, or even pure Harmine, maybe even add some THH to the mix, instead of using the Harmala-containing plants, and then it'll feel much lighter on the gut, lighter on the bodyload, and can be more accurately dosed, but at the same time, i prefer and recommend the plants but for a cleaner experience/effect extracts are definitely worth consideration, plus you can make your own extracts pretty easily if you'd rather do that, it's cheaper than buying them.
Also make sure to take the Harmalas first, wait 30 minutes and eat mushrooms, or take Harmalas, wait an hour, and drink mushroom tea. So that gut MAO-A can get inhibited by the time the Psilocin is consumed so that it's properly potentiated.
Hi @Sabnock
Never heard of Harmalas before so I'll definitely start doing some digging. Are there any informative sites you'd recommend?
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Kiwi89]
#28589413 - 12/19/23 06:44 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Kiwi89 said: First of all you have to calculate how long it will take for a substance to pass through the system and what they are passed as after metabolism. So if we look at some of these papers. About 3.5% of psilocybin is excreted in the urine as free psilocybin. Not only that approximately 80% of psilocin is eliminated as psilocin-O-glucuronide.
If I am reading this right, you better enjoy drinking piss for its flavor.
The Detection of Psilocin in Human Urine
Metabolism of psilocybin and psilocin: clinical and forensic toxicological relevance
Thanks @Kiwi89 for this info, much appreciated 👍🏻
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28589417 - 12/19/23 06:48 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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orphee said: someone figured out that if you drink reindeer urine after they get high eating amanita muscaria, you'll get high as well. if they ain't reindeer around some dude (usually the shaman) will take one for the team, acting as a filtration system, you can drink their piss.
when it comes to psilocybin mushrooms, everyone who replied here is telling you it's not a thing.
Lucky reindeer 
Cheers for the info orphee 👍🏻
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
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Bardy said: Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
@Bardy,
I saw your original message before you edited it, and it was this:
“Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
You’re either very young and silly, or you’re a troll OP.”
It's people like you why I don't bother coming on forums as I've asked a legitimate question which you have just decided to turn into abuse.
You do realise by putting what you did and messaging in such a manner, you are the troll. Do you not see that? You probably don't care.
I'm 48 and I'm using Shrooms in order to stop using big-pharma meds for depression, anxiety, and OCD, so no, I'm not a troll, nor am I young or silly, I'm predominantly doing this for my mental health which is why I need all the 'crumbs' I can get to ensure I don't need the pharma meds.
I've only been trying to grow shrooms for about 6-months, so I may be inexperienced, but I don't need people like you spouting crap when you have no idea about me at all.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 2
#28589839 - 12/19/23 01:23 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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There's a bit of history to the reaction here Yelper. This forum lived through a long period of a particular member pushing a urine drinking agenda. Even when I saw your post I initially thought "oh lord no, he's back". There would be a lot of members who don't know that guy as well as I do (you'd be surprised how well you get to know someone after banning them more than 100 times) who would think you are that person again. And even though you aren't that person, you've unwittingly dropped yourself right on the back of his dead horse.
Normally one would expect a warmer welcome from this community, it isn't Reddit, but memories are long and there is history here.
The search engine here will turn up just about any information you want, it's in the top right of your screen. Almost 25 years of these sorts of discussions are at your fingertips there. Everything you need to know about not drinking urine, harmalas, growing mushrooms and much, much more.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 1
#28589841 - 12/19/23 01:26 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Pro Tip:
If you're considering drinking your urine to have a stronger trip, just eat more mushrooms. you get the benefit of a stronger trip without having to drink your own piss
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 1
#28589869 - 12/19/23 01:49 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said: Never heard of Harmalas before so I'll definitely start doing some digging. Are there any informative sites you'd recommend?
Maybe check out DMT Nexus about info on Harmalas, they're the main active in Ayahuasca which are not only the main effects of Ayahuasca but are used to orally activate the DMT in Ayahuasca. Psilohuasca is essentially Ayahuasca, but using Psilocin instead of DMT, so you can use mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT for the Psilocin in Psilohuasca, and it'll give you an Ayahuasca-like experience/effect but using the Psilocin. There's surprisingly not much info out there about Psilohuasca except from some guy i think in the Netherlands who made the term popular awhile back, but with as popular as Ayahuasca has gotten Psilohuasca is rarely ever mentioned, it's mentioned by some folks including myself but many people still don't know about it. There's threads about Psilohuasca on here, as well as at the DMT Nexus, as well as on Reddit.
Harmalas have many different properties but their main property is as a reversible MAO-A inhibitor. Unlike pharmaceutical MAOI's (which are irreversible MAOI's) you don't have to diet or avoid any kinds of foods for reversible MAO-A inhibition, but there are some drug to drug interactions like with SSRI's or anything that has strong Serotonin reuptake inhibitive properties, like MDMA for example, but so long as you're not on SSRI anti-depressants and aren't taking MDMA or certain Opioids or DXM or what not, then you'll get by absolutely fine with the Harmalas. Though it is worth pointing out that Harmalas do inhibit CYP2D6, and CYP1A2, so if you take anything metabolized by those enzymes, the dosage would need to be reduced to half, possibly down to a quarter of the usual dosage, if taken with or up to 10 hours after the Harmalas, but if they're taken sometime before the Harmalas the usual dosage of the CYP substrate can be taken no problemo, so Caffeine for example is metabolized by CYP1A2, if you consume Caffeine sometime prior to taking Harmalas it's not an issue, if you take Caffeine while on Harmalas it can be potentiated so that a few sips of a Caffeinated soda for example can equal like at least a couple cups of Coffee's worth of Caffeine, so be mindful of potentiation of CYP substrates, and of certain drug to drug interactions with the MAO-A inhibition (mainly Serotonin reuptake inhibition), and you'll be just fine.
I've taken Harmalas on a daily/near daily basis for 12 years now, i've worked with them a lot and they're good compounds once you understand them better.
But yeah you'll want to take some Harmalas, wait 30 minutes and eat mushrooms, or take Harmalas and wait an hour to drink a mushroom tea, plant matter like mushroom matter can take a few minutes more to digest whereas tea is absorbed pretty quickly, and you want to catch gut MAO-A when it's more fully inhibited, so 30 minutes apart if consuming the actual mushroom material, or an hour apart if consuming mushroom tea, is best, ime/imo.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28590040 - 12/19/23 03:59 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Bardy said: Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
@Bardy,
I saw your original message before you edited it, and it was this:
“Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
You’re either very young and silly, or you’re a troll OP.”
It's people like you why I don't bother coming on forums as I've asked a legitimate question which you have just decided to turn into abuse.
You do realise by putting what you did and messaging in such a manner, you are the troll. Do you not see that? You probably don't care.
I'm 48 and I'm using Shrooms in order to stop using big-pharma meds for depression, anxiety, and OCD, so no, I'm not a troll, nor am I young or silly, I'm predominantly doing this for my mental health which is why I need all the 'crumbs' I can get to ensure I don't need the pharma meds.
I've only been trying to grow shrooms for about 6-months, so I may be inexperienced, but I don't need people like you spouting crap when you have no idea about me at all.
Well I was wrong about you being young then.
I’m sorry if I caused offence, but this question is still ridiculous. The fact that you can’t admit that your question is pretty silly just tells me that you’re a very serious person and you struggle to laugh at yourself.
Have a laugh at yourself, it feels good man. We’ve all asked dumb questions before.
What Northerner said is correct. I thought maybe you were this guy who’s been talking about piss on these forums for years.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28590538 - 12/19/23 09:20 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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The thing is, even if the piss is active, it's going to be a tiny amount. You aren't going to release all of it in your next piss. It will slowly work its way out, so you'd have to drink a couple of rounds of piss and even then you'll only get a small fraction of the dose you took.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: metaneuralnetwork]
#28592848 - 12/21/23 02:44 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Changed]
#28593169 - 12/21/23 06:42 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said:
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Bardy said: Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
@Bardy,
I saw your original message before you edited it, and it was this:
“Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
You’re either very young and silly, or you’re a troll OP.”
It's people like you why I don't bother coming on forums as I've asked a legitimate question which you have just decided to turn into abuse.
You do realise by putting what you did and messaging in such a manner, you are the troll. Do you not see that? You probably don't care.
I'm 48 and I'm using Shrooms in order to stop using big-pharma meds for depression, anxiety, and OCD, so no, I'm not a troll, nor am I young or silly, I'm predominantly doing this for my mental health which is why I need all the 'crumbs' I can get to ensure I don't need the pharma meds.
I've only been trying to grow shrooms for about 6-months, so I may be inexperienced, but I don't need people like you spouting crap when you have no idea about me at all.
Unfortunately for you, that's just what a troll would say to poke the dying embers! Low post count plus a silly/inflammatory topic that generates a lot of replies very quickly usually means troll.
However genuine and authentic your posts may seem just step back a moment and read the actual title. Drinking urine while coming up.
Ask the internet if I should drink my own piss! However nice or heartfelt you may seem did you honestly expect a positive reaction?
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28593430 - 12/21/23 09:17 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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So I think the question is now, can you drink your own piss in order to improve your mental health.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28593923 - 12/22/23 10:36 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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As a novice, it seems more logical to brew your mushrooms into a tea so that you can reuse it several times, it'll probably be more potent than drinking pee.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28593994 - 12/22/23 11:39 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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KevinDontWave said: Piss drinkers leading the confused, future piss drinkers. This kinda feels like boofing to me. It's ok to just want to put drugs up your ass. You don't have to try and convince me that its about efficiency of uptake or whatever. I can get PLENTY high through standard routes of administration.
If you wanna drink your own piss while tripping, go for it; but let's skip the weird justifications.
I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just asking the question. Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
I think the potential for a good trip goes out the window the second you drink piss. As far as set and setting are concerned, a belly full of your own piss seems like a shortcut to having a BAD trip.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28593999 - 12/22/23 11:44 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Bardy said: So I think the question is now, can you drink your own piss in order to improve your mental health.
You would have to evaluate people who have been drinking their own piss. I can’t do the research because I’m biased.🤣 I could see someone who trips way too hard, drinks their own piss and has an amazing time(would have had better time without drinking piss), convinces themselves that things went so well because they drank their piss, and making it their thing. You know, piss drinkers.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Land Trout]
#28594161 - 12/22/23 02:44 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I don’t think anyone could convince me it’s a good thing to start doing for your mental health haha
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28599488 - 12/27/23 07:28 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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remember 1993's movie Alive?
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28599545 - 12/27/23 08:15 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I just downloaded that recently and it's sat in my watch list.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner]
#28599553 - 12/27/23 08:18 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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maybe you shouldn't watch it...
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner]
#28599558 - 12/27/23 08:19 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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play it safe and watch a movie with Robert Mitchum instead.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28599566 - 12/27/23 08:26 AM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Interestingly significant amounts of mescaline can be passed via urine and there appears to be no known tradition of ingesting urine by those who used mescaline containing cacti traditionally.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Nillion]
#28601090 - 12/28/23 03:42 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Just buy spores in the UK, you don't need to import anything - one less point of failure to worry about.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee] 1
#28601098 - 12/28/23 03:47 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago) |
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orphee said: remember 1993's movie Alive?
I’m listening to Last Podcast On The Left’s current series on the rugby team that crashed in the Andes. That shit is absolutely harrowing.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28601102 - 12/28/23 03:49 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago) |
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orphee said: play it safe and watch a movie with Robert Mitchum instead.
I recommend 1955’s Night Of The Hunter.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: KevinDontWave]
#28603038 - 12/30/23 08:06 AM (29 days, 30 minutes ago) |
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classic indeed.
i believe it's the originator of the love/hate fingers tattoo.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Ligonnema]
#28605887 - 01/01/24 01:59 PM (26 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Ligonnema said: Just buy spores in the UK, you don't need to import anything - one less point of failure to worry about.
Where are the best places to buy spores in the UK?
My bags are supplied from mushbuddies.com who also own sporebuiddies.com, shinyspores.com, and organicmushroomsupplies.com
They can also supply spores, but the reviews are somewhat mixed and I've had issues with the customer service and supply of the bags, as well as questioning if the contamination issues are from the bags.
I've seen cylocybe.co.uk can supply spores and they're in Scotland.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28605894 - 01/01/24 02:03 PM (26 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Try a vendor from our trusted vendor list for spores. They are vetted by the site and known good. Sporeworks is my favourite since a very long time. In the UK you might choose Zamnesia though.
Spores are not like drugs, you don't have to worry about them coming through customs in the UK.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner]
#28605950 - 01/01/24 02:36 PM (26 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Northerner said: Try a vendor from our trusted vendor list for spores. They are vetted by the site and known good. Sporeworks is my favourite since a very long time. In the UK you might choose Zamnesia though.
Spores are not like drugs, you don't have to worry about them coming through customs in the UK.
Hi @Northerner,
Many thanks for that vendor list, much appreciated. I shall take a look tomorrow.
I've actually used Zamnesia a few times now, however they are in the Netherlands so surely I'd be running the risk of customs seizing the package? They have even told me this before, even if it's rare. This happened to me when buying from microdosebros.com (also in the Netherlands) which is where I'm currently getting my spores from (they are actually liquid culture).
I thought UK customs could seize any item they wanted to test for drugs? Surely this would include vials of an unknown substance/liquid if they believe it to be a drug or a component/precursor to a drug? More than happy to be corrected on this, indeed I'd like to be told otherwise!
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28606001 - 01/01/24 03:24 PM (26 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Sporeprints are not drugs, they are just scientific material until you grow them. It's not breaking the law to acquire or import them.
Sporeworks is an amazing vendor, they land prints here in Australia no problems and we have the toughest customs in the world, no that they have time for sporeprints anyways.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Northerner]
#28606644 - 01/02/24 05:38 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Northerner said: Sporeprints are not drugs, they are just scientific material until you grow them. It's not breaking the law to acquire or import them.
Sporeworks is an amazing vendor, they land prints here in Australia no problems and we have the toughest customs in the world, no that they have time for sporeprints anyways.
Spore prints I can understand, but what about spore vials and liquid culture? Should they also face zero issues?
When I get my liquid cultures sent I ask the company to remove all packaging that would indicate it's anything to do with mushrooms and just write the initials of the strain on the bag. As to whether this is necessary or even makes them more suspicious I have no idea.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Nillion]
#28606739 - 01/02/24 07:56 AM (26 days, 40 minutes ago) |
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Nillion said: Interestingly significant amounts of mescaline can be passed via urine and there appears to be no known tradition of ingesting urine by those who used mescaline containing cacti traditionally.
I'd argue that this would be a very different scenario with mescaline.
For one, you excrete 60% mescaline unchanged vs 3% psilocin. That's a lot!
Second, mescaline is much harder to come by than psilocybin. I could actually see arguments for storing mescaline piss, although it's not for me.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: metaneuralnetwork] 1
#28609034 - 01/04/24 12:15 AM (24 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Are mushrooms really that expensive in where you live? I mean come on man...This is the most ridiculous thing I've read recently. I think you should drink your piss anyway to understand the stupidity behind that idea.Referring to that 2 people, not you mate.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: metaneuralnetwork] 1
#28609037 - 01/04/24 12:26 AM (24 days, 8 hours ago) |
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metaneuralnetwork said: I could actually see arguments for storing mescaline piss
That would be an interesting conversation, hey Kiwi89 what are these jars in the pantry. Ah, that is my mescaline piss collection, I only keep the finest most positive experiences.
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