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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 2
#28589245 - 12/19/23 02:00 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said: Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
Instead of some piss, might i suggest some Harmalas? lol. Psilohuasca is where it's at yo, if you're not taking any SSRI's or MDMA alongside the mushrooms, you can take Harmalas, it'll not only potentiate the dosage of mushrooms/Psilocin by at least twice as strong, but it'll also stretch out in duration to 9 to 12 hours, and the Harmalas add beneficial aspects and shifts in the nature/character/effects of the experience, makes it a bit more DMT-like as well (minus DMT's Adrenergic intensity, so, smoother than DMT but can feel nearly identical in most aspects)... overall it's something worth checking out, it'll definitely get you more out of it.
The only thing about Harmalas is they can cause nausea/vomiting sometimes, particularly with high Harmala dosages, but ime Psilohuasca, unlike Ayahuasca, doesn't seem particularly nauseating or emetic, whereas Aya using DMT can definitely cause some nausea/vomiting but my stomach has always for the most part been just fine with the Psilohuasca, but the reason i mention that is because it can be worth using higher dosages of the Harmalas, because the more MAO-A inhibition you have going on in the gut, the more potentiated the Psilocin is, and so with a higher Harmala dosage, you wouldn't need much mushrooms at all for a fully immersive experience, just like with Aya using DMT, the more Harmalas you use the less DMT/Psilocin you need, the less Harmalas you use the more DMT/Psilocin you need to fill the gap, so going higher on the Harmala dosage will let you get away with using less mushrooms.
And, you can use Harmala extracts, or even pure Harmine, maybe even add some THH to the mix, instead of using the Harmala-containing plants, and then it'll feel much lighter on the gut, lighter on the bodyload, and can be more accurately dosed, but at the same time, i prefer and recommend the plants but for a cleaner experience/effect extracts are definitely worth consideration, plus you can make your own extracts pretty easily if you'd rather do that, it's cheaper than buying them.
Also make sure to take the Harmalas first, wait 30 minutes and eat mushrooms, or take Harmalas, wait an hour, and drink mushroom tea. So that gut MAO-A can get inhibited by the time the Psilocin is consumed so that it's properly potentiated.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28589257 - 12/19/23 02:20 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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First of all you have to calculate how long it will take for a substance to pass through the system and what they are passed as after metabolism. So if we look at some of these papers. About 3.5% of psilocybin is excreted in the urine as free psilocybin. Not only that approximately 80% of psilocin is eliminated as psilocin-O-glucuronide.
If I am reading this right, you better enjoy drinking piss for its flavor.
The Detection of Psilocin in Human Urine
Metabolism of psilocybin and psilocin: clinical and forensic toxicological relevance
Edited by Kiwi89 (12/19/23 02:20 AM)
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Kiwi89]
#28589273 - 12/19/23 02:31 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
Edited by Bardy (12/19/23 04:26 AM)
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28589309 - 12/19/23 03:24 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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someone figured out that if you drink reindeer urine after they get high eating amanita muscaria, you'll get high as well. if they ain't reindeer around some dude (usually the shaman) will take one for the team, acting as a filtration system, you can drink their piss.
when it comes to psilocybin mushrooms, everyone who replied here is telling you it's not a thing.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28589350 - 12/19/23 05:09 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Stop telling us about how to juice a reindeer? 
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Sabnock]
#28589409 - 12/19/23 06:42 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said: Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
Instead of some piss, might i suggest some Harmalas? lol. Psilohuasca is where it's at yo, if you're not taking any SSRI's or MDMA alongside the mushrooms, you can take Harmalas, it'll not only potentiate the dosage of mushrooms/Psilocin by at least twice as strong, but it'll also stretch out in duration to 9 to 12 hours, and the Harmalas add beneficial aspects and shifts in the nature/character/effects of the experience, makes it a bit more DMT-like as well (minus DMT's Adrenergic intensity, so, smoother than DMT but can feel nearly identical in most aspects)... overall it's something worth checking out, it'll definitely get you more out of it.
The only thing about Harmalas is they can cause nausea/vomiting sometimes, particularly with high Harmala dosages, but ime Psilohuasca, unlike Ayahuasca, doesn't seem particularly nauseating or emetic, whereas Aya using DMT can definitely cause some nausea/vomiting but my stomach has always for the most part been just fine with the Psilohuasca, but the reason i mention that is because it can be worth using higher dosages of the Harmalas, because the more MAO-A inhibition you have going on in the gut, the more potentiated the Psilocin is, and so with a higher Harmala dosage, you wouldn't need much mushrooms at all for a fully immersive experience, just like with Aya using DMT, the more Harmalas you use the less DMT/Psilocin you need, the less Harmalas you use the more DMT/Psilocin you need to fill the gap, so going higher on the Harmala dosage will let you get away with using less mushrooms.
And, you can use Harmala extracts, or even pure Harmine, maybe even add some THH to the mix, instead of using the Harmala-containing plants, and then it'll feel much lighter on the gut, lighter on the bodyload, and can be more accurately dosed, but at the same time, i prefer and recommend the plants but for a cleaner experience/effect extracts are definitely worth consideration, plus you can make your own extracts pretty easily if you'd rather do that, it's cheaper than buying them.
Also make sure to take the Harmalas first, wait 30 minutes and eat mushrooms, or take Harmalas, wait an hour, and drink mushroom tea. So that gut MAO-A can get inhibited by the time the Psilocin is consumed so that it's properly potentiated.
Hi @Sabnock
Never heard of Harmalas before so I'll definitely start doing some digging. Are there any informative sites you'd recommend?
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Kiwi89]
#28589413 - 12/19/23 06:44 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Kiwi89 said: First of all you have to calculate how long it will take for a substance to pass through the system and what they are passed as after metabolism. So if we look at some of these papers. About 3.5% of psilocybin is excreted in the urine as free psilocybin. Not only that approximately 80% of psilocin is eliminated as psilocin-O-glucuronide.
If I am reading this right, you better enjoy drinking piss for its flavor.
The Detection of Psilocin in Human Urine
Metabolism of psilocybin and psilocin: clinical and forensic toxicological relevance
Thanks @Kiwi89 for this info, much appreciated 👍🏻
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: orphee]
#28589417 - 12/19/23 06:48 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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orphee said: someone figured out that if you drink reindeer urine after they get high eating amanita muscaria, you'll get high as well. if they ain't reindeer around some dude (usually the shaman) will take one for the team, acting as a filtration system, you can drink their piss.
when it comes to psilocybin mushrooms, everyone who replied here is telling you it's not a thing.
Lucky reindeer 
Cheers for the info orphee 👍🏻
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28589431 - 12/19/23 07:01 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Bardy said: Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
@Bardy,
I saw your original message before you edited it, and it was this:
“Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
You’re either very young and silly, or you’re a troll OP.”
It's people like you why I don't bother coming on forums as I've asked a legitimate question which you have just decided to turn into abuse.
You do realise by putting what you did and messaging in such a manner, you are the troll. Do you not see that? You probably don't care.
I'm 48 and I'm using Shrooms in order to stop using big-pharma meds for depression, anxiety, and OCD, so no, I'm not a troll, nor am I young or silly, I'm predominantly doing this for my mental health which is why I need all the 'crumbs' I can get to ensure I don't need the pharma meds.
I've only been trying to grow shrooms for about 6-months, so I may be inexperienced, but I don't need people like you spouting crap when you have no idea about me at all.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 2
#28589839 - 12/19/23 01:23 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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There's a bit of history to the reaction here Yelper. This forum lived through a long period of a particular member pushing a urine drinking agenda. Even when I saw your post I initially thought "oh lord no, he's back". There would be a lot of members who don't know that guy as well as I do (you'd be surprised how well you get to know someone after banning them more than 100 times) who would think you are that person again. And even though you aren't that person, you've unwittingly dropped yourself right on the back of his dead horse.
Normally one would expect a warmer welcome from this community, it isn't Reddit, but memories are long and there is history here.
The search engine here will turn up just about any information you want, it's in the top right of your screen. Almost 25 years of these sorts of discussions are at your fingertips there. Everything you need to know about not drinking urine, harmalas, growing mushrooms and much, much more.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 1
#28589841 - 12/19/23 01:26 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Pro Tip:
If you're considering drinking your urine to have a stronger trip, just eat more mushrooms. you get the benefit of a stronger trip without having to drink your own piss
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85] 1
#28589869 - 12/19/23 01:49 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said: Never heard of Harmalas before so I'll definitely start doing some digging. Are there any informative sites you'd recommend?
Maybe check out DMT Nexus about info on Harmalas, they're the main active in Ayahuasca which are not only the main effects of Ayahuasca but are used to orally activate the DMT in Ayahuasca. Psilohuasca is essentially Ayahuasca, but using Psilocin instead of DMT, so you can use mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT for the Psilocin in Psilohuasca, and it'll give you an Ayahuasca-like experience/effect but using the Psilocin. There's surprisingly not much info out there about Psilohuasca except from some guy i think in the Netherlands who made the term popular awhile back, but with as popular as Ayahuasca has gotten Psilohuasca is rarely ever mentioned, it's mentioned by some folks including myself but many people still don't know about it. There's threads about Psilohuasca on here, as well as at the DMT Nexus, as well as on Reddit.
Harmalas have many different properties but their main property is as a reversible MAO-A inhibitor. Unlike pharmaceutical MAOI's (which are irreversible MAOI's) you don't have to diet or avoid any kinds of foods for reversible MAO-A inhibition, but there are some drug to drug interactions like with SSRI's or anything that has strong Serotonin reuptake inhibitive properties, like MDMA for example, but so long as you're not on SSRI anti-depressants and aren't taking MDMA or certain Opioids or DXM or what not, then you'll get by absolutely fine with the Harmalas. Though it is worth pointing out that Harmalas do inhibit CYP2D6, and CYP1A2, so if you take anything metabolized by those enzymes, the dosage would need to be reduced to half, possibly down to a quarter of the usual dosage, if taken with or up to 10 hours after the Harmalas, but if they're taken sometime before the Harmalas the usual dosage of the CYP substrate can be taken no problemo, so Caffeine for example is metabolized by CYP1A2, if you consume Caffeine sometime prior to taking Harmalas it's not an issue, if you take Caffeine while on Harmalas it can be potentiated so that a few sips of a Caffeinated soda for example can equal like at least a couple cups of Coffee's worth of Caffeine, so be mindful of potentiation of CYP substrates, and of certain drug to drug interactions with the MAO-A inhibition (mainly Serotonin reuptake inhibition), and you'll be just fine.
I've taken Harmalas on a daily/near daily basis for 12 years now, i've worked with them a lot and they're good compounds once you understand them better.
But yeah you'll want to take some Harmalas, wait 30 minutes and eat mushrooms, or take Harmalas and wait an hour to drink a mushroom tea, plant matter like mushroom matter can take a few minutes more to digest whereas tea is absorbed pretty quickly, and you want to catch gut MAO-A when it's more fully inhibited, so 30 minutes apart if consuming the actual mushroom material, or an hour apart if consuming mushroom tea, is best, ime/imo.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28590040 - 12/19/23 03:59 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Bardy said: Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
@Bardy,
I saw your original message before you edited it, and it was this:
“Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
You’re either very young and silly, or you’re a troll OP.”
It's people like you why I don't bother coming on forums as I've asked a legitimate question which you have just decided to turn into abuse.
You do realise by putting what you did and messaging in such a manner, you are the troll. Do you not see that? You probably don't care.
I'm 48 and I'm using Shrooms in order to stop using big-pharma meds for depression, anxiety, and OCD, so no, I'm not a troll, nor am I young or silly, I'm predominantly doing this for my mental health which is why I need all the 'crumbs' I can get to ensure I don't need the pharma meds.
I've only been trying to grow shrooms for about 6-months, so I may be inexperienced, but I don't need people like you spouting crap when you have no idea about me at all.
Well I was wrong about you being young then.
I’m sorry if I caused offence, but this question is still ridiculous. The fact that you can’t admit that your question is pretty silly just tells me that you’re a very serious person and you struggle to laugh at yourself.
Have a laugh at yourself, it feels good man. We’ve all asked dumb questions before.
What Northerner said is correct. I thought maybe you were this guy who’s been talking about piss on these forums for years.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28590538 - 12/19/23 09:20 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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The thing is, even if the piss is active, it's going to be a tiny amount. You aren't going to release all of it in your next piss. It will slowly work its way out, so you'd have to drink a couple of rounds of piss and even then you'll only get a small fraction of the dose you took.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: metaneuralnetwork]
#28592848 - 12/21/23 02:44 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Changed]
#28593169 - 12/21/23 06:42 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Yelper85 said:
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Bardy said: Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
Edit: we were all young and silly at some point. Now most of us are just older and silly but more experienced.
@Bardy,
I saw your original message before you edited it, and it was this:
“Yeah lol, this whole conversation is just retarded. This guy is probably a troll. Got us all jumping through hoops about drinking piss.
If it’s your last dose of shrooms then it’s your last dose of shrooms. Shrooms aren’t like heroin. People aren’t combing the carpets for a few extra crumbs of a shroom.
You’re either very young and silly, or you’re a troll OP.”
It's people like you why I don't bother coming on forums as I've asked a legitimate question which you have just decided to turn into abuse.
You do realise by putting what you did and messaging in such a manner, you are the troll. Do you not see that? You probably don't care.
I'm 48 and I'm using Shrooms in order to stop using big-pharma meds for depression, anxiety, and OCD, so no, I'm not a troll, nor am I young or silly, I'm predominantly doing this for my mental health which is why I need all the 'crumbs' I can get to ensure I don't need the pharma meds.
I've only been trying to grow shrooms for about 6-months, so I may be inexperienced, but I don't need people like you spouting crap when you have no idea about me at all.
Unfortunately for you, that's just what a troll would say to poke the dying embers! Low post count plus a silly/inflammatory topic that generates a lot of replies very quickly usually means troll.
However genuine and authentic your posts may seem just step back a moment and read the actual title. Drinking urine while coming up.
Ask the internet if I should drink my own piss! However nice or heartfelt you may seem did you honestly expect a positive reaction?
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: wolf8312] 1
#28593430 - 12/21/23 09:17 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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So I think the question is now, can you drink your own piss in order to improve your mental health.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28593923 - 12/22/23 10:36 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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As a novice, it seems more logical to brew your mushrooms into a tea so that you can reuse it several times, it'll probably be more potent than drinking pee.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Yelper85]
#28593994 - 12/22/23 11:39 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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KevinDontWave said: Piss drinkers leading the confused, future piss drinkers. This kinda feels like boofing to me. It's ok to just want to put drugs up your ass. You don't have to try and convince me that its about efficiency of uptake or whatever. I can get PLENTY high through standard routes of administration.
If you wanna drink your own piss while tripping, go for it; but let's skip the weird justifications.
I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm just asking the question. Also you may have enough product to get as high as you want, but maybe myself and others don't and therefore don't want to just piss away a potentially good trip, literally and metaphorically.
I think the potential for a good trip goes out the window the second you drink piss. As far as set and setting are concerned, a belly full of your own piss seems like a shortcut to having a BAD trip.
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Re: Drinking urine whilst coming up? Plus a couple of other questions on side effects [Re: Bardy]
#28593999 - 12/22/23 11:44 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Bardy said: So I think the question is now, can you drink your own piss in order to improve your mental health.
You would have to evaluate people who have been drinking their own piss. I can’t do the research because I’m biased.🤣 I could see someone who trips way too hard, drinks their own piss and has an amazing time(would have had better time without drinking piss), convinces themselves that things went so well because they drank their piss, and making it their thing. You know, piss drinkers.
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