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First time dosage amount?
    #28587660 - 12/18/23 01:47 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

So myself and 3 buddies are going to be taking shrooms around Christmas. We will be in a setting that we’ve all been to before and have all been friends for atleast 15+ years.

I’m interested in what dosage we should have? I really want to make Tea as I’ve heard it’s easier on the stomach. I have problems with drugs I take orally and usually feel sick or vomit, especially if I take things like MDMA the come up is instant vomit everytime.

Do we make one big pot of tea or separate? We don’t really want to overdo it as it’s our first time.

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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: KnowlesKnows] * 1
    #28587734 - 12/18/23 03:01 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

I would make it all as one tea and divide the liquid up between the 3 of you equally - that way you will all get the same dosage.

shrooms, even from the same batch can contain different amounts of actives so mix them all up in one tea is the best option.

I would suggest 2 grams per person for a first time, if you don't want to over do it.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: Womble]
    #28587770 - 12/18/23 03:46 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Wait. What kind of shrooms? Cubensis? It matters.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28587794 - 12/18/23 04:09 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

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Wait. What kind of shrooms? Cubensis? It matters.




Sorry cubes - golden teachers to be exact.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: Womble]
    #28587795 - 12/18/23 04:10 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

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I would make it all as one tea and divide the liquid up between the 3 of you equally - that way you will all get the same dosage.

shrooms, even from the same batch can contain different amounts of actives so mix them all up in one tea is the best option.

I would suggest 2 grams per person for a first time, if you don't want to over do it.




Cheers, we will try that I think, got any good recipes to make the tea?


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: KnowlesKnows]
    #28587828 - 12/18/23 04:49 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

What I did last weekend was

Grind up the shrooms first, then put them in a cup or French press, cover them with a little lemon juice.
After that I waited like a half hour but idk if it’s necessary.
Then I put on a kettle and boiled some water. When the water was boiling, I poured it over the mushrooms and let it sit for thirty minutes and stirred a little. Then strain the matter and that’s it.

There’s a lot of other ways but this way worked very  nicely. 
I’ve done two grams and that seems like a good starting dose.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: dubbtronix12345]
    #28587851 - 12/18/23 05:09 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

2 grams dried shrooms seems about right. But if there are 3 people then it would be 6 grams dried shrooms. It should only be about 3 cups of water or 1 glass of water. You can strain out the material with a cloth or thin t shirt or cheese cloth. The chitin or material can cause nausea.

2 grams dried per person is the sweet spot for a strong trip without pushing into intense territory.

Research "set and setting." Where will you be tripping? In public? Hopefully a private place that is very chill.

You may want to fast for 4 to 6 hours prior to avoid nausea. But have some easy snacks nearby for hunger during the trip. Try not to vomit. The come up can be rough but you usually get to a better place after an hour or two.

Have fun! Be safe! :smile:


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: KnowlesKnows]
    #28587865 - 12/18/23 05:26 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Always aim low.
You don’t know the concentration of what you got until you’ve tried it. You don’t even know how it’s going to react in your system yet. Always go low the first couple times.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: Soul Flight]
    #28587927 - 12/18/23 05:52 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

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2 grams dried shrooms seems about right. But if there are 3 people then it would be 6 grams dried shrooms. It should only be about 3 cups of water or 1 glass of water. You can strain out the material with a cloth or thin t shirt or cheese cloth. The chitin or material can cause nausea.

2 grams dried per person is the sweet spot for a strong trip without pushing into intense territory.

Research "set and setting." Where will you be tripping? In public? Hopefully a private place that is very chill.

You may want to fast for 4 to 6 hours prior to avoid nausea. But have some easy snacks nearby for hunger during the trip. Try not to vomit. The come up can be rough but you usually get to a better place after an hour or two.

Have fun! Be safe! :smile:




Thanks, is it as rough as an E or MDMA bomb come up? I’d say they are pretty intense


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: KnowlesKnows]
    #28587967 - 12/18/23 06:30 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Yeah. Very similar.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: Soul Flight]
    #28588078 - 12/18/23 08:44 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

The come up is, hm. intense. For example, at one time I found myself jumping on a sofa like a little child because I just couldn't contain the excitement / hyperactivity.

One remark I'd like to post, as a minority report... I am somewhat particular about mushroom dosing, and tend to go against the popular wisdom of 'starting low'. My personal experience is that taking too much of shrooms is nowhere near as horrible as taking too little.

At an overdose, you might be lost in the void for 6 consensus reality hours (potentially a lot longer in subjective hours), which is definitely not nice, but at least you'll be somewhere else and not quite yourself. On too low doses however, it's an entirely different story.

Mushrooms seem to have a weirdly dysphoric uncanny valley effect in dosage. If I have to imagine what hell might be like, I only need to recall the time I was compulsively cleaning my apartment on a too-low dose, filled with anxiety and loathing.

Say, 1.5 grams at once is the lowest I'd go.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28588714 - 12/18/23 05:24 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

yeah 2 grams is a lot for a first time IMO

plus those golden teachers, eeeeeeehhhhh...


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
    #28588722 - 12/18/23 05:26 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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At an overdose, you might be lost in the void for 6 consensus reality hours



wut??


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: KnowlesKnows]
    #28598550 - 12/26/23 12:20 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Just a FYI
My stomach is like that also
Add ginger to your tea
It helps me.
If I don't.....Im miserable.
Still bothered but ginger helps
I just shave ogg ginger and add it.
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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: KnowlesKnows]
    #28598551 - 12/26/23 12:21 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Take on an empty stomach helps too


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28598627 - 12/26/23 01:55 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

For stomach issues...a tea is nice. Boiled for 10 minutes to kill any bacteria present and mushroom matter strained out leaving only the liquid. Mild taste, smooth on the stomach. It hits faster though, keep that in mind.

As in boiling, cooking the fruits in some form or fashion makes them more digestible and less nauseating. You can consume the "mush" after boiling, if you prefer.

One more thing...species choice. Cubensis isn't the best tasting or the best trip in my experience. Sure, it gets you there but what a bumpy ride. Haha. Not for me anymore.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: GC3DTC]
    #28598645 - 12/26/23 02:05 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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For stomach issues...a tea is nice. Boiled for 10 minutes to kill any bacteria present and mushroom matter strained out leaving only the liquid. Mild taste, smooth on the stomach. It hits faster though, keep that in mind.

As in boiling, cooking the fruits in some form or fashion makes them more digestible and less nauseating. You can consume the "mush" after boiling, if you prefer.

One more thing...species choice. Cubensis isn't the best tasting or the best trip in my experience. Sure, it gets you there but what a bumpy ride. Haha. Not for me anymore.



sure you can consume the mushy stuff after boiling but more than 90% of the good stuff or more went into the water, DRINK THAT for sure.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28598667 - 12/26/23 02:35 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

I agree, you are correct. Nearly all of the actives are in the liquid, especially if you squeeze the matter well before discarding or consuming. However, some people do enjoy (or perhaps, feel obliged) to consume the remnants as it appears wasteful. They do have a little body buzz kick left in them (depending on amount boiled) and are much akin to gummy bears. Haha Good gift for the trip sitter to partake in. 😁


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: GC3DTC]
    #28599304 - 12/27/23 12:28 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

And everybody loves picking mushrooms out of your teeth when they start to kick in.


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: morningWood]
    #28599345 - 12/27/23 02:47 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

First time? 2 grams. 3.5g if you're feeling really brave.

I would not hop into "heroic" doses until you've been a psychedelic researcher for at least a dozen smaller trips first. The reason being, is that you'll be able to deal with any possible bad trip, with relative ease.

I remember the last time I did shrooms. I took about 2g. Powered/pulverized and put into "00" sized gel capsules. Cyberpunk 2077 was really cool to look at. I also went on more walks/runs on lower doses, versus higher doses I would just get couchlock.

Tea is probably the best way to take them, as they will kick in faster, you'll get more bang for your buck, and you can expect the trip to end sooner--this is good if you're just starting out on your first psychedelic journey.

You might not want to lemon tek the tea, or if you do, absolutely do not exceed 2g dried each. You will have a bad time. On no tolerance I did 3.5g dried in tea with the lemon tek method that it was...too strong.

Other good ways of consuming it are in chocolate, extracted or concentrated into alcohol, or the gel capsule method.

Edit: protip, when making the tea, add ginger root (the actual root and throw tons of shavings into the tea), and also include honey. Honey will soothe the stomach, which you will need. If stomach upset, try to hold on for about 20-30 minutes so the psilocybin will be on its way to be fully converted into psilocin at this point, so if you end up feeling sick and needing to upchuck, the psilocybin will be fully absorbed by then. If you're doing tea on an empty stomach or relatively almost empty, you won't even need to wait 30 minutes.

Be magnificent, enjoy the ride, putting out some good vibes for ya


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Re: First time dosage amount? [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #28601137 - 12/28/23 04:04 PM (30 days, 16 hours ago)

Do some reading on what to expect as well (I know you likely have done but would be remiss not to advise this just in case). When i first tried them I was ignorant of the effects and just wanted to get messed up.

While I did achieve this, it was scary and doing some research on some possibilities would have avoided a lot of this discomfort. Experiencing ego death first hand without knowing what it is was terrifying.

I know thus because I came back yo them years later and did the reading, it helped me a lot. This time round i could feel my ego begin to fade and noting this was a big comfort. For the record you won't experience this on 2g, eaten / drunk and tbh is best experienced once you've had a few adventures, if you ever want to go there.

Start with two - you can always add more but never reduce your dose.

Tea makes for a significantly faster and harder come up, but the trip will be over faster and more abruptly than just eating them. Personally i prefer this but thats just me. I guess you need to balance your propensity for puking vs eating them. The thought of eating them makes me feel sick.


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