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OfflineAgugaj
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Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack)
    #28207777 - 02/28/23 07:43 AM (10 months, 24 days ago)

Intro: I'm a regular family guy, in my 30's. Pretty balanced. Not suffering from any type of mental issues, at least nothing that I'm aware of. Last year I did 3 times macro doses (1gr) and it was great, I fell in love with the positive impact that it has on me. Since then I've been researching micro-dosing topics, preparing myself for that. After I finally dive into it, I want to share my experience with others...

My goals: I want to be more present, focused, and productive, boost my mood and energy, implement some good habits in my daily routines, and try to reach that neuroplasticity thing that Stamets was talking about. Overall, to improve my quality of life and wellbeing.

Dosing and scheduling: I decided to go with Stamets stack 5 days on 2 days off, Golden Teacher, Lions mane drops, B complex (50mg of niacin). Starting dose was 0.1gr the first week and then I increased it to 0.15gr the second week. I decided to be flexible and If necessary adapt and play with dosing and timing in order to find my sweet spot. I tried 0.2gr last day of the second week (too strong). I was mostly doing it right after I get up at 6-7 am, but I tried doing it in the afternoon as well.

Progress Report: I didn't get what I wanted. I feel buzzed every time for 2-3 hours while it has effects, sometimes even sleepy. My mood is regular as usual, and I didn't feel any energy boosts, whatsoever. I had a bit of anxiety by the end of the day and I was kind of bored, and not inspired to do anything. I had to push myself pretty much all the time. I find microdosing weed more beneficial at this point. (I smoke weed from time to time, but I haven't been smoking nor drinking alcohol for almost two months, I wanted to be clean for this mini project). I was feeling better when I had days off. I'm not disappointed, but I'm not thrilled as I was at the beginning. I have to highlight that I spend most of my time at home (working remotely plus it's shitty winter time) but I went a few times outside (while I was on) and spent time with ppl. I didn't notice any bigger changes worth mentioning...

Further plans: I will take a couple of days off and then I will go with even lower doses, with the range of 0.05-0.08gr. I will stick with Stamets stack till the end of this 6 weeks cycle but I think it is already obvious that this schedule might not be suitable for me. I don't feel it was too intense, but I just didn't get what I wanted so far. I'm not expecting wonders and miracles, but I'm trying to be as objective and honest with myself as possible. I'm not giving up though, I know that mushrooms are amazing medicine, and I will keep with this systematic exploring where I just have to optimize my formula of schedule, dosing, set, and setting :wink:


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj]
    #28207821 - 02/28/23 08:40 AM (10 months, 24 days ago)

You shouldn’t be feeling any sort of buzz, the effects shouldn’t even be noticeable for the first few weeks or so, the benefits will appear as subtle changes in your experience over the course of a long time. It will be after 20-30 doses that you can even start honing in the desired results. You seem thorough in your methodology, continue to take notes and reflect.

I have experience taking low/threshold doses of psilocybin mushrooms that result in your same negative effects, you want the mushrooms to be in a subperceptual dose, find the threshold dose and half it, then half it again.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj]
    #28208363 - 02/28/23 04:54 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

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Agugaj said:
Progress Report: I didn't get what I wanted. I feel buzzed every time for 2-3 hours while it has effects, sometimes even sleepy. My mood is regular as usual, and I didn't feel any energy boosts, whatsoever. I had a bit of anxiety by the end of the day and I was kind of bored, and not inspired to do anything. I had to push myself pretty much all the time. I find microdosing weed more beneficial at this point. (I smoke weed from time to time, but I haven't been smoking nor drinking alcohol for almost two months, I wanted to be clean for this mini project). I was feeling better when I had days off. I'm not disappointed, but I'm not thrilled as I was at the beginning.





You might try taking out the Vit B which could be giving ya that extra annoying energy
Microdosing doesn't push you, you still have to push yourself
That paragraph makes it sound like maybe you're expecting too much out of it.  I prefer to take mine with breakfast and forget about it, in other words, don't spend your day asking yourself "is the microdose doing this? doing that?".  Just live your day like normal. 

I've been doing .1g daily for 4 weeks with a little lions mane.  It's hard to say what is doing what but I'd say overall I'm a little better on it both mentally and physically


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj] * 1
    #28208501 - 02/28/23 06:29 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

The effects of microdosing are subtle with cumulative positive results. The results are not measured thoughout the day, but over a period of months. In a way it is like taking a multi-vitamin in that I don't analyze what it's doing to me every day, but I take it knowing it's good for me and I am better off taking it than not.

I follow a Fadiman dosing protocol, 1 day on 2 off, for 2 months, followed by a break of 2 weeks, then restart. I use a dose of .1 gram cubensis, no more. I find that cubes make me tired, even in microdoses, so on my microdosing days I take it in late evening for a good nights sleep.

Overall, looking back, I feel much better in many ways. In ways I can't really describe, just better. And people who I intereact with have asked me what I am doing because, to them, I appear much happier, friendlier, more engaged, and easier to talk with.

I'd say pick a dose and schedule and stick to it. In time you will discover that microdosing works for you or it doesn't. Just don't give up on it too soon. Microdosing is not for everybody. Some people find that maybe a small museum dose occasionally or a high dose once a  year is what does it for them. Good luck. Keep us posted.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: veggie]
    #28208506 - 02/28/23 06:33 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Veggie are you Hamilton Morris or Michael Pollan?

Anyways, I fully agree with what you have said, it’s accumulative.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj]
    #28208977 - 03/01/23 01:46 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Thank you all for your inputs...

I'm trying to find protocol that works best for me. I have to stick with strict protocol, otherwise I will abuse it. :smile:
I'm one of those ppl who can't resist to the substance I love. If I have weed in my drawer or beer in my fridge, I will consume it, no matter what :smile:

Overall, I started with the most frequent schedule 5 days on 2 days off, plus with this whole Stamets stack. Now is a good time to lower everything a bit, both doses and my expectations...

I'm a big believer in a mushroom as a medicine and I won't give up just like that...

I will keep you updated and use it as my journal here.

Cheers :wink:


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj]
    #28212450 - 03/03/23 12:24 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

Try to take between 0.3 and 0.5/g and see if it helps. Also, stop the niacin. It dulls the noticeable effects of the mushrooms while still promoting neurogenesis. The reason staments includes niacin in the stack is to prevent people from accidentally getting high while still reaping the physiological benefits.

Also, if you’re on any other drugs there’s a possibility they are antagonizing the mushrooms.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: thompsonforsheriff]
    #28213475 - 03/04/23 01:30 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

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Try to take between 0.3 and 0.5/g and see if it helps. Also, stop the niacin. It dulls the noticeable effects of the mushrooms while still promoting neurogenesis. The reason staments includes niacin in the stack is to prevent people from accidentally getting high while still reaping the physiological benefits.

Also, if you’re on any other drugs there’s a possibility they are antagonizing the mushrooms.



This is just false.
niacin is added to widen the blood vessels in order to let the compounds from hericium and psilocybe enter more deeply and futher in the tissue.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: chris77]
    #28213494 - 03/04/23 02:34 AM (10 months, 20 days ago)

I read somewhere where Stamets said it also prevents psychoactive effects/prevents abuse. He’s planning to sell it in pills once it’s legalized and the niacin will prevent people from getting high off of pills intended for microdosing.

I’ll try to find the source.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: thompsonforsheriff]
    #28217230 - 03/06/23 11:10 AM (10 months, 18 days ago)

I have PTSD, Depression and TBI's.  I have a friend who wouldn't shut up about microdosing, so I tried it so they'd shut up about it.

It's mixed with honey. lions mane and I'll have to ask what else. I end up taking around .2g a day total.  every 2.5-3h, I take a tic of honey.  5 days on 3 off.  refraining from taking withing 3 hours of bed time (it negatively affects my sleep, due to dreams and not being able to get all the way asleep if taken too soon before bed).

I fully expected nothing to come of it.  After a few days I noticed some creativity I haven't had since childhood and teens, this kept getting better as time went on.  after a few weeks my depression and other symptoms started getting better, not a ton but it was noticable.  3 months in the changes are amazing.

I've been an insomniac my entire life, I still don't have what most would consider a normal sleep schedule, but its far closer than it has been.  I've had medications that kept me in bed longer, but I was drugged.  Ambien lets me sleep or a few hours, but im up by 3 with it.

It didn't 100% cure me, but it did make some extremely noticable results.  and has worked far better than any drugs i've been prescribed. Very glad I tried to prove them wrong.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Renoraines]
    #28251409 - 03/28/23 03:44 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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I have PTSD, Depression and TBI's.  I have a friend who wouldn't shut up about microdosing, so I tried it so they'd shut up about it.






Thanks for sharing your experience. I had a mild TBI a few years ago. I have since recovered fully, after a life changing few years, but I am left with this depression and malaise I have not felt since my teenage years. I have been a lifetime anxiety/panic disorder sufferer; after the brain injury I have not had much anxiety at all. The altered perception after the mTBI was the most disturbing, nothing 'looked' right and my brain could not process visual cues very well. Relearning how to walk correctly and use my arms appropriately was frustrating at times, but it came back 90% in the first year. I mean, i could physically walk - but the stride and patterns were not correct. Today, you would not know I've ever had issues, as I work an average of 65+ hrs a week, some physically demanding labor tasks but mostly being a desk jockey. I am hoping experimenting with hallucinogens will breathe a little life back into the soul. My wife has clinical depression. I am also hoping we can break out of our feedback loop and continue living on our own terms. We have nothing to lose but a little sanity, well - that's been gone long ago anyway!


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj]
    #28491529 - 10/03/23 10:27 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

Yo Agugaj,

Let me be the first to tell you that that staments stack is weak AF, and only loosely based on real science. Yeah I said it. I’ll prove it too….

Here is the dosage for the “Staments Stack”
Psilocybin Mushroom Powder = 100mg – 200mg, or 0.1 to 0.3 grams of dried mushrooms.
Lion’s Mane = 50 – 100 mg
Niacin = 100 – 200 mg

I’ve been making nootropic stacks for 20+ years and my focus is activating and sustaining neurogenesis, as well as extending the human life span via boosting NAD+ and activation of Sirtuin enzymes.

The dosages for the staments stack are well below what most studies have shown to be effective in human trials.

For example for lions mane, the dosage shown to be effective in studies is 1000mg. Stammer stack is 10-20 times below the active dosage.

Niacinamide or nicotinamide is shown to boost NAD at the 250-500mg range. Again the staments stack falls short.

As for psilocybin, let’s be honest, the benefits are in the trip for the most part. I’m not a believer in the benefits of microdosing in the morning. I recommend taking the lions mane/B3 in the morning with caffeine/breakfast and saving the mushroom for those few nights a week you want to unwind with a glass of wine or a joint or whatever u like…. Then venture into microdose territory. I recommend wood lovers personally as they go well with wine as they are more speedy.

This is a sure fire way to activate neurogenesis.

I’ve found this reduces hangovers dramatically.

Here’s the djbabyjesus version of the staments stack (which I created for myself based on my own research before stamens ever did. Shiiiiiit)


Step #1 do drugs all the time, but do the right ones the right way.  Caffeine is your friend. “Stay up” as they say in the hood. Keep the drinking to a minimum. You can still drink and activate neurogenesis but I can tell you when I cut out alcohol (especially booze) my mind exploded. Night and day difference. If ur gonna drink it’s red wine for the win. Pinot Noir from Oregon is your best bet. Microdose with your wine.

Step #2 take the djbabyjesus stack

1000mg of Lions mane
250-500mg niacinamide
500-1000mg trans-resveratrol
B vitamin complex <—seriously, hit these B vitas
Creatine HCL or AKG….Follow recommended dosage. I mix with tang same for…
2-4g Arginine

This is what works based on actual scientific data and my own trials. I don’t just toss stuff in because I read it was good or staments says so. I only keep ingredients I could tell were working very well.

Coupled with exercise, this will change your life if you can handle it.

The staments stack is improperly dosed and not a the best option for boosting neurogenesis. I mean, all the ingredients are available in bulk for cheap…and the dosages are such that you’d need multiple capsules to get the desired effects. The staments one pill smart pill is wonderful thought but unfortunately not based in this reality.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: veggie]
    #28499107 - 10/10/23 05:00 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I'm growing for the purpose of microdosing. Have you noticed if there's protocol that seems to be more popular? I was planning on the Stammet stack, but it seems like way too little lion's mane to be effective. So leaning more towards Fadimen. It seems like enough of a break to not build tolerance. Also, if you want to trip, do you take a 2 week break after it? Sorry for posting in an old post, but the post is relevant to my question and I couldn't find a good answer searching.


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Psych_AR]
    #28499362 - 10/10/23 08:15 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

If you aren't taking any of those fungi now, I'd suggest trying them seperate.  Maybe even start the lions mane if you're waiting on a harvest

If you mix them together, you'll have no idea what is doing what and won't know what to adjust

Many will tell you go with specific amounts and a strict schedule but really it's about starting low, seeing what works and making adjustments.  I don't know what your goals are but some people microdose several times a day, some every 3 days, 2 days. 
Some go 3 days on and 2 days off.  Also the amounts people call a microdose vary from .05g to .5g (.5 is 10x more than .05 so clearly different things work for different people)
Personally, I don't see a need to make it so complicated. Everyday or every other day seems easier to stick with.  You should build no tolerance from microdosing under .2g even if you take it every day.  When I was doing it regularly, it was .1g daily after breakfast

Depending on why your microdosing, you might want to take a microdose the day after a trip level dose because the day after a trip can be a little rough sometimes

Like I said though, start low, go slow, see what works for you

How much experience do you have with shrooms? How do you plan to get your doses accurate? And what's your goal?


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Re: Microdosing failing (3 weeks of Stamets Stack) [Re: Agugaj]
    #28586286 - 12/17/23 02:31 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Stamets protocol didnt work for me. i do take lion's mane with my microdose, but i stick to the Fadimans protocol of 1 day on 2 days off. Stamets just felt too intense for me, i needed time to integrate each dose.


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