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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Sid Shroom] * 1
    #28492753 - 10/05/23 03:11 AM (3 months, 22 days ago)

Anything the body does well has been done for a long time, so depression, if it's severe, is a long deep-seated growth in the nervous system, or malgrowth more correctly, that needs correcting. That's limited by your DNA. However mushrooms 'have been shown' to alter growth patterns in the brain, so that surprising changes can occur with persistent use.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: lostintimenspc] * 1
    #28522277 - 10/29/23 12:09 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

The answer is down to you.
The mushrooms don't really do anything except show you the way. Not in some arcane way but literally showing you yourself. You have to be open to it and you have to have the language to understand it which I don't think is very common. We just don't have the maps to traverse this stuff. Only in certain places like psychology, therapy, religion maybe, spirituality etc do you find more fitting possible explanations but how many people are therapists? Psychologists? Religious figures or at least devoted to religion? How many have pursued spirituality as a necessity to understanding themselves and the world? You might listen to one or two McKenna lectures on YT or Ram Dass but that's only the beginning. These guys were immersed in the worlds in which they preached throughout their lives. They knew the landscape. They were grounded.

Its like when you're in an abusive relationship. You know something is really wrong and you're going out of your mind cause of how much it hurts but if don't know it's abusive and your vocabulary about abuse is minimal you're as good as stuck, for now anyway. For now you don't have the awareness you need to have to know that you're being abused.

In another way its like love. If you've never experienced it and the words describing it have never had much meaning, does love exist? If you have though you have a rich understanding of what love is.

Until you know, you don't know. And some people want to know but don't yet know enough to take a voyage that will be one of their biggest lessons to date only they were seeing experiencing feeling running (maybe) from it in another way.

Until you know there is a lesson in revealing yourself to yourself it's just like looking in the mirror before you go out. You're not looking to find out why your dad never loved you or why your people are being repressed or what exists at the core of your depression, why you've been searching for so long, why you've been running etc. You just look at your reflection and go... Okay, ready. And out the door you go. It's not a deep experience.

Psychedelics are not glancing in the mirror before going out. They are glancing through the mirror to what exists beyond. To not just see the reflection but to recognize and come into what is looking back at you. To come home to what exists.

The best experiences I've had have been when I've done the most work on myself to find maps to understand myself. That's before psychedelics although I started taking psychedelics before I did this but missed the boat on numerous occasions now looking back. I took them recreationally almost in an abusive context like I did with weed back then smoking it just to smoke it and cause it was cool. They are frameworks or methods and while they are not all there is, they give you a reference point to go beyond the conceptualizations and into what is.

You can get caught in models, just as someone whose writhing in pain from years of trauma (or some equally challenging problem) gets caught up in that model but... Maps are important and people are taking psychedelics without maps.

What should be sacred medicines used in a ritualized context are often used as if they are antidepressants. Just chug em down and hope for the best. We can blame our culture for this. A culture that wants to take shortcuts and thinks it can create magic pills (literally) to solve issues that are far more complex and always will be.

The down to you bit at the start of this long winded post is the bit where YOU decide what it all means. To know what it means at all you need at least SOME comprehension which implies understanding, awareness, deliberate effort to work on knowing. That is the work that needs to be done IMO which is ultimately to know yourself.

If we aren't doing that we're missing a large piece of the jigsaw puzzle. If you do know yourself and psychedelics aren't working you at least know that you're involved in the process consciously with openness to learn. If a psychedelic experience doesn't "work" for you, it's probably a message highlighting a door that hasn't yet been opened or maybe it has and you've never walked through it. Or maybe you have walked through it and you just don't know, yet


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #28526630 - 11/02/23 01:42 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Hey LostInTimeNSpc

Many thanks for the reply, and sorry for my delay in responding.

Yes, that certainly does makes a lot of sense. All the psilocybin trials seem to be pointing in that direction.

Cheers :thumbup:


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Sid Shroom]
    #28531986 - 11/06/23 05:07 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

I cured my PTSD and all ailments, including depression (temporarily, but for about two years), which came as a result of my PTSD. I figured...exposure therapy....terrify the hell out of me with extreme visions and then I won't need to trip for a while.

I really need to submit this trip report. It's far out. It's 800ug of LSD and 12.2g of shrooms, taken as tea three times during the journey.

Trip lasted 18 hours. It felt like one solid week in real time. What a vacation that was. Best days off of my life.

I want to try mescal and another psychedelic, see what that combo does.

I've already done pharmahausca and had to bail with like 10mg of clonazepam. The realness of it was too intense. I also took way too much DMT. Like 150mg with harmana alkaloids to make it active

The LSD + shroom trip felt like...it'll be hard to put into words. Best day of my life, probably

Tl;DR? I get it. It's boring. Well, I did some crazy psychedelic combo trips before and I need to write about them.

Also, unfortunately, unless I had a constant supply of psychedelics, I would not be able to manage my PTSD and other ailments


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: skOsH] * 2
    #28532538 - 11/07/23 05:37 AM (2 months, 20 days ago)

My best friend died at only 21, 7 years ago, one strong hit of cubensis, tripping balls in the shower literally cured my depression and suicidal imagery like someone had flicked a switch. I was sobbing uncontrollably as I tried to take a shower whilst off my head and suddenly all the water droplets on the glass shower screen turned into eyes of humans and different animals, and started breathing with me. All of a sudden, those eyes all formed into one human eye in the centre and it dropped a single tear, like the sheikah thing on breath of the wild. As that drop fell, all of my pain and depression went away in an instant, it felt like I'd been lifted up and out of it.
I was no longer depressed, I stopped getting suicidal imagery, and I even noticed I procrastinated less(probably due to not being depressed anymore).
I still get sad about her from time to time but I don't walk around broken and depressed anymore. Shrooms saved my life.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: searchin]
    #28551291 - 11/21/23 08:56 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Quote:

searchin said:
The answer is down to you.
The mushrooms don't really do anything except show you the way. Not in some arcane way but literally showing you yourself. You have to be open to it and you have to have the language to understand it which I don't think is very common. We just don't have the maps to traverse this stuff. Only in certain places like psychology, therapy, religion maybe, spirituality etc do you find more fitting possible explanations but how many people are therapists? Psychologists? Religious figures or at least devoted to religion? How many have pursued spirituality as a necessity to understanding themselves and the world? You might listen to one or two McKenna lectures on YT or Ram Dass but that's only the beginning. These guys were immersed in the worlds in which they preached throughout their lives. They knew the landscape. They were grounded.

Its like when you're in an abusive relationship. You know something is really wrong and you're going out of your mind cause of how much it hurts but if don't know it's abusive and your vocabulary about abuse is minimal you're as good as stuck, for now anyway. For now you don't have the awareness you need to have to know that you're being abused.

In another way its like love. If you've never experienced it and the words describing it have never had much meaning, does love exist? If you have though you have a rich understanding of what love is.

Until you know, you don't know. And some people want to know but don't yet know enough to take a voyage that will be one of their biggest lessons to date only they were seeing experiencing feeling running (maybe) from it in another way.

Until you know there is a lesson in revealing yourself to yourself it's just like looking in the mirror before you go out. You're not looking to find out why your dad never loved you or why your people are being repressed or what exists at the core of your depression, why you've been searching for so long, why you've been running etc. You just look at your reflection and go... Okay, ready. And out the door you go. It's not a deep experience.

Psychedelics are not glancing in the mirror before going out. They are glancing through the mirror to what exists beyond. To not just see the reflection but to recognize and come into what is looking back at you. To come home to what exists.

The best experiences I've had have been when I've done the most work on myself to find maps to understand myself. That's before psychedelics although I started taking psychedelics before I did this but missed the boat on numerous occasions now looking back. I took them recreationally almost in an abusive context like I did with weed back then smoking it just to smoke it and cause it was cool. They are frameworks or methods and while they are not all there is, they give you a reference point to go beyond the conceptualizations and into what is.

You can get caught in models, just as someone whose writhing in pain from years of trauma (or some equally challenging problem) gets caught up in that model but... Maps are important and people are taking psychedelics without maps.

What should be sacred medicines used in a ritualized context are often used as if they are antidepressants. Just chug em down and hope for the best. We can blame our culture for this. A culture that wants to take shortcuts and thinks it can create magic pills (literally) to solve issues that are far more complex and always will be.

The down to you bit at the start of this long winded post is the bit where YOU decide what it all means. To know what it means at all you need at least SOME comprehension which implies understanding, awareness, deliberate effort to work on knowing. That is the work that needs to be done IMO which is ultimately to know yourself.

If we aren't doing that we're missing a large piece of the jigsaw puzzle. If you do know yourself and psychedelics aren't working you at least know that you're involved in the process consciously with openness to learn. If a psychedelic experience doesn't "work" for you, it's probably a message highlighting a door that hasn't yet been opened or maybe it has and you've never walked through it. Or maybe you have walked through it and you just don't know, yet




I loved this response and you intellectually touched on the ultimate purpose of the greater healing journey and how natural substances can help provide a map for a larger and more meaningful understandings. Thank you very much for taking the time to write this all out I think it will be helpful to many people seeking a path. Have a great day!


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Alifebuggin]
    #28578130 - 12/11/23 06:22 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

Hi
I suffer from ptsd i was molested as a child and i started micro dosing 14 years ago. I dont know if anyone else does this but i also take LSD,mescaline,and Dmt. And i do this 5 days aweek. I switch off one day mushrooms the next lsd and so forth. I take diffrent mushroom each time
Thats whst i do to smile every day. Without it im a wreck from helll so i believe it does work.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Snfu88]
    #28578664 - 12/11/23 02:17 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

I love your energy.
There is a cross tolerance between LSD, mushrooms and DMT though.
It wouldn’t be a bad idea to take a week off. Just to reset the tolerance.
I want you to get to continue enjoying your medicine.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts] * 1
    #28584508 - 12/15/23 08:42 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Like many have said.. I have to agree.
The mushrooms shown me a better way to live and that helped my depression. One trip made me a better father. These things are amazing if you do the work. Good luck!

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Evertking]
    #28586275 - 12/17/23 02:16 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

microdosing improved my life tremendously. i followed Fadiman's protocol for 6 months, with a minimum of 2 weeks break (sometimes longer) between cycles, all cycles were 4 weeks except the last, which was 6 weeks long.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #28586299 - 12/17/23 03:01 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Sorry man - I
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Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.




If I may ask, in what way do they help manage Bipolar? Do they prevent manic/depressive episodes? Do they stabilize the mood?

While not diagnosed, I have episodes of emotional turbulence that swing between depressive and energetic. While I've never felt manic to the degree of reckless behavior, I seem to have lots of swings from high to low.




Sorry man, I didn't spot your question.  It might be too late now, but in case you drop by now & then...

It's recognised that as you get older you have more depressive episodes and fewer manic / hypomanic.  Also, for completeness, I have PTSD as a result of horrific injuries sustained during a manic episode; I thought I was invincible, but I wasn't.

Whether the shrooms act as a mood stabiliser is perhaps doubtful, and I can't risk stopping the Lamotrigine (I flatly refused Lithium and Lamotrigine was the best alternative) to find out.  It takes months to titrate both up and down on Lamotrigine and skipping any stage can be fatal.

What they clearly HAVE done for me is mitigate the depressive episodes to the degree that they're imperceptible. 

I had my latest session with the consultant psychiatrist a week or 2 back.  I really wanted to tell him about the shrooms, quitting the SSRIs (Fluoxetine) and antipsychotics (Olanzapine), but daren't in case he adjusted my risk rating.  The good news though is that he was so impressed by my last two sessions that I've been discharged into the care of my general practitioner with a note that my condition is considered to be in remission (with good compliance on medication LOL).  All I have to do now is continue blood tests every 6 months to monitor for any signs of cardiometabolic syndrome (due to the meds - I'm far from obese, weighing 67kg at 5'9").

This time of year is always the worst for me, mostly because it's just coming up to the anniversay of my sister dying, screaming in pain, in my arms.  For the first time since then, I'm looking forward to Christmas and know it's what she would want for me.

Will it last?  Who knows, but it's been 9 months and the psychiatrist is impressed by my progress, so I'll keep microdosing and take the occasional trip in the hope that it does.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts]
    #28587962 - 12/18/23 06:27 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harmonious]
    #28588150 - 12/18/23 10:10 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Quote:

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https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?



Purely dependent and variable on how many mg/g is in a particular grow/individual mushroom/cultivar/etc


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Alifebuggin]
    #28589392 - 12/19/23 06:13 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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Quote:

Harmonious said:
https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?



Purely dependent and variable on how many mg/g is in a particular grow/individual mushroom/cultivar/etc




Any idea, based on standard Golden Teacher or similar?


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harmonious]
    #28589483 - 12/19/23 08:16 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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Alifebuggin said:
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Harmonious said:
https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?



Purely dependent and variable on how many mg/g is in a particular grow/individual mushroom/cultivar/etc




Any idea, based on standard Golden Teacher or similar?




So I was trying to say that potency is never really functionally standardized even within a strain such as GT. Different Grows of the same strain can have different potencies and individual mushrooms can vary considerable within the same particular grow. Growing conditions can also affect those variations. Also the study used only the isolated psilocybin but mushrooms will also contain other tryptamines like psilocin so that’s another variable that changes the particular mg/g of psilocybin content.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Alifebuggin] * 2
    #28589542 - 12/19/23 09:27 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

Great thread love reading everyone’s story about healing.

Mushrooms have done wonders for me as well however it all takes constant maintenance and I seem to always slowly forget the lessons and need to go back in the psychedelic space to learn them again.

It’s like turning a huge ship. It takes enormous long arcing  turns and along the way the captain eventually goes back to his old bunk maps and derails the progress, but overall it all is headed in a better path than before.

I usually do larger, single doses of mushrooms solo, micro dosing has not worked for me.
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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Alifebuggin]
    #28590705 - 12/20/23 12:16 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Understood. I was looking for a ball park figure to try and emulate the dose used by the research. Obviously 25mg of synthesised psilocybin is not possible.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harmonious]
    #28590794 - 12/20/23 04:17 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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Understood. I was looking for a ball park figure to try and emulate the dose used by the research. Obviously 25mg of synthesised psilocybin is not possible.



Ballpark, and understanding potency can vary across and within varieties- Let's say your dry cubes have an average potency between 0.5% and 1% psilocybin. That would require 2.5-5g dry weight to get 25mg psilocybin.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: oxo]
    #28592154 - 12/21/23 12:50 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Thanks, that’s helpful.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harmonious]
    #28595123 - 12/23/23 10:22 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Now, 3 1/2 months since my last post I have to say that mushrooms didn't cure my depression. When I started to use them less often, it came back and hit me in the face like before. But I recently started psychotherapy and suddenly so many doors open up and I really feel I'm in a healing process.
I think I have all the answers in me but I still need someone else to help me find them. Mushrooms can't do all that, at least not for me.
Still, they helped me a lot, made me more open, reduced my anxiety and gave me moments of joy and peace. That's already A LOT for someone who's depressed. I will always be thankful for their gifts and will visit the mushroom realm whenever I need it.


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