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Re: The end of war? [Re: Freedom]
    #28590447 - 12/19/23 08:16 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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When I think male I think anatomy/physiology. When I think masculine, I think gender. Gender being psychological traits assoicated with male or female anatomy.

I don't know what you mean by masculine

I get that there are jobs that require strenghth and men tend to be stronger, however thats a physiological thing, not psychological. well maybe a little psychological, i could see identifying as being strong making you try harder and performing better on strength test than you would otherwise...




I can speak toward expression of appearance and action if we're looking for physical/psychological differences and perhaps the root of the concept. Differences need to be examined closely to determine whether they might be innately typical or culturally typical and some of it doesn't seem to fit in a male/female polarity box. Almost 90% of stand up comics are men. The pay is about the same. The subject of why could produce theories which may not be as easy to relate to as man big strong.

They are contentious words but as I stated earlier the qualities that I consider to make a "real" man are also qualities that make a "real" woman. Being an adult about things rather than acting childish. For reasons that might be worth exploring, perhaps women/femininity gets conflated with childishness.

But I look for these "real man" qualities in the women I date. That being said, I don't particularly want to be adored. I want to adore and I want acceptance of adorment more than anything else.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Freedom]
    #28590660 - 12/19/23 11:19 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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what need is there for the idea of masculine? we can just say someone willing and able to be violent is someone willing and able to be violent.




For most of human history, a female depended on this male trait in order to maximize the chances of survival of her offspring.  The reverse is not true.  A mother's parental investment in mating and rearing efforts greatly surpasses that of the male.

Females invest more in offspring production and care than males (this area of study is called “parental investment”), and they pay a significantly higher cost if the offspring dies before maturity or reaches maturity but does not reproduce.
 
Do you agree that fatherhood is different than motherhood?  That they are different and instill in children different aspects of being human and different skills and traits?  And provide different types of emotional nourishment? Do you see differences in motherhood and fatherhood?

Gay people claim "love is love" and motherhood and fatherhood are the same.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28590695 - 12/19/23 11:59 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I’d be careful about making claims like “all gay people think” lol

You’re also talking very generally about females and males, which is okay I think, but you have to remember that what you’re saying isn’t true in all cases. I’m sure you know this… I’m probably stating the obvious.

Freedom seems to me to just be highlighting the magnitude of individual differences there can be if we aren’t talking in terms of stereotypes.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Bardy]
    #28590696 - 12/20/23 12:00 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)



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Re: The end of war? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28590707 - 12/20/23 12:19 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Yeah good point. Shouldn’t have taken the bait


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Re: The end of war? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28590812 - 12/20/23 04:53 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

threads are not owned by individuals,
please lose that attitude


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Re: The end of war? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28591161 - 12/20/23 10:43 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

:cool:

Through the Freudian lens, the mother is really the primary caretaker, the primary emotional attachment of the infant. This doesn't actually have to be a woman. The human brain is extremely good at adapting, and the genetic teloi don't go away. Things are not so much 'instilled' as they are facilitated, just as how dogs have natural tendencies in their genetics, in all dogs, as for example a dog will always be on an every day schedule in the wild, and this is exactly what dogs crave from their owners. So you exploit this during dog training. I'm not saying humans are dogs, but we are both mammals, and we share tendencies, so the examination of dogs you know can serve as a means of comparison and reflection concerning what is really innate and what is not. Freud showed, really it was his supreme discovery, that the way people are now, and what people think is innate, the way it is actually expressed has everything to do with the way in which a person is treated from infancy, and not by whom, and this includes the psychological environment one must nagivate, just like an animal having to be aware of what it has not chosen, which is constant and persistent in their environment, such as a tree for nesting. Our environment is very mental, but these pieces of that mental environment vary. The way we go about reacting to them is however all for us already a genetic possibility - of feeling and action. It is up to us however to seek certain feelings out that for an unknown, taken-as-they-persistent reason strike us with a potency that actually gives us a homeostatic imbalance.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28591172 - 12/20/23 10:57 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Wrong thread.
Here’s that one.

I wanted to discuss the philosophy and psychology of war.
Stop derailing it.

That would have been an excellent comment if it was in the correct thread. I even agree with it. Why did you post it here?


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Re: The end of war? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28591207 - 12/20/23 11:16 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

because it addresses what the person said whom I replied to?


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28591217 - 12/20/23 11:22 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

:doublefacepalm:
Don’t restart that conversation here. Go respond to them in that thread please.


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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28591230 - 12/20/23 11:34 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Hi, am I correct in thinking this is where to come for dream interpretations?
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Lithop] * 1
    #28591240 - 12/20/23 11:38 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)


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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28591250 - 12/20/23 11:43 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

^:lol: nice gif.
Back on topic for a second, I think what a "real man" is varies on who you ask. There are certainly some unhealthy expectations and sterotypes around this subject but a degree of dependability, knowing yourself and being open & equipped to expanding or maintaining (where applicable) your boundaries seems to be a good start to being "real"- man, woman or otherwise.
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Re: The end of war? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28591275 - 12/20/23 11:58 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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:doublefacepalm:
Don’t restart that conversation here. Go respond to them in that thread please.



you are a visitor to the board here as we all are.
you do not own the thread.
I am not following his Freud comment at all, but I am following that you are being a bit too bossy.


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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28591292 - 12/20/23 12:07 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Come on, RGV- he said please.
It's Christmas time afterall.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Lithop]
    #28591297 - 12/20/23 12:11 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

it's still not your thread, you can have :christmas:
but you can't have the thread.


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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28591306 - 12/20/23 12:17 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Aye you're right enough RGV, good point.

THE THREAD IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOURS GENNY, POLICE IT AS YOU SEE FIT BUT IN ADHERENCE TO COMMUNITY GUIDELINES

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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Lithop]
    #28591313 - 12/20/23 12:20 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

He’s just grumpy because he hasn’t responded to his court summons yet. :lol:


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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28591331 - 12/20/23 12:28 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Let the record reflect: I, user 'Lithop' refuse to comment on these allegations made about or directed to user 'redgreenvines'
Especially not any allegations that may include the derailing of threads- not that I in anyway condone (or condemn) derailing of threads.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28591394 - 12/20/23 01:08 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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Freedom said:

what need is there for the idea of masculine? we can just say someone willing and able to be violent is someone willing and able to be violent.




For most of human history, a female depended on this male trait in order to maximize the chances of survival of her offspring.  The reverse is not true.  A mother's parental investment in mating and rearing efforts greatly surpasses that of the male.

Females invest more in offspring production and care than males (this area of study is called “parental investment”), and they pay a significantly higher cost if the offspring dies before maturity or reaches maturity but does not reproduce.
 
Do you agree that fatherhood is different than motherhood?  That they are different and instill in children different aspects of being human and different skills and traits?  And provide different types of emotional nourishment? Do you see differences in motherhood and fatherhood?

Gay people claim "love is love" and motherhood and fatherhood are the same.





I was raised by a single mother who had to fulfill both roles. I think part of why gender seems absurd to me is that my mother embodied both so called masculine and feminine traits very well. She  was tough and soft. She worked hard, was a bad ass in charge of people, and she was deeply loving etc etc

I've often that that the gender stereotypes must feel very real for people who grew up with parents who identified and lived those roles


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