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InvisibleBlue_Lux
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Re: The end of war? [Re: Bardy]
    #28600252 - 12/27/23 08:01 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

Hush bardy, I gave him what he wanted.

That is called altruism.

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Re: The end of war? [Re: Bardy]
    #28600256 - 12/27/23 08:03 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

'War' is not innate. Tendencies of aggression are. Aggression =/= war. It is easy to make subtle equivocations without realizing it. And lastly, disagreement is not aggression, and becoming annoyed at irrationality is not being aggressive. Yes, I know... It is hard to know the difference...

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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28600261 - 12/27/23 08:10 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

The whole idea of battling the infidel is about the internal struggle, about doing battle with the infidel within, with the habits we have that are not consistent with our spiritual or ethical values.

Jihad is supposed to be within the devoted person, not killing and raping people who are different than those in your religious congregation or other clique.

It is a several hundred years old idea in Islam, and it maps well onto eastern martial arts disciplines.

We only see and hear about the degenerate version which is war and death.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Freedom]
    #28600263 - 12/27/23 08:11 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

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Freedom said:
its hard to understand other people when we listen through the filters of our own views and assumptions



I am guilty of that, certainly. I wish it were not so. 

And yet so often what we see in others, even in our objections, is what we know in ourselves. That relates to the concepts I attempted to share in the bully psychology thread, that aggression is linked to fear in terms of behavior.

I confess I'm not very intellectual or intelligent. Most of the insight I have into human behavior comes from things like Aesop's Fables and personal observations from life. This has left me simple minded. Arguing the nature of the word nature, or pondering if mankind is natural or not are endeavors far too sophisticated for me.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28600266 - 12/27/23 08:13 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

You’re right, I agree aggression isn’t war, but the difference is maybe a matter of scale.

A few people getting aggressive isn’t war, but a whole tribe getting aggressive and acting on that aggression could be called war in my opinion.

Annoyance, aggression, violence, hate, irritability… they all seem to me to be different manifestations of the same type of emotion. Different levels of identifying with those types of emotions maybe.
And if stewed upon for long enough by enough people, could cause violence and a slide into war.

We can be aggressive and then curb it as soon as we notice, there’s not much harm in that. Then we can maybe offer an apology to deescalate the situation if need be. The problems occur when we identify with our aggression I think, and hold onto it, let it brew and inform our actions for long periods of time.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Nillion]
    #28600267 - 12/27/23 08:15 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

Don’t say that Nillion, anyone can openly ponder these things! It’s fun. Why the hell not eh? Haha

You might have some life experience that we do not which sheds light on something for one of us.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Nillion]
    #28600280 - 12/27/23 08:27 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

Oh BS "I'm not very intellectual or intelligent." Excuses

Everyone I have met has profound feelings, experiences, and all the means to be whatever 'intelligent' or 'intellectual.' Even a young call it whatever you want, a mentally challenged sex worker. She was tortured by her step dad, and she couldn't even write very well, and yet our conversation was incredibly deep, and she had a lot to say about life that made a whole lot of sense but very very few people could stand to take her seriously. "Intelligent" is stupid if not talking about just the fact of our consciousness. The mind is sticky, it's just a lot of oil can become to encase contents and separate them from one another like drops on the surface of water.

Be sticky.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28600283 - 12/27/23 08:33 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

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The whole idea of battling the infidel is about the internal struggle, about doing battle with the infidel within



To defeat the devil where he is encountered, so to speak.
I love the Quran and Islam.

I'm also a huge fan of the teachings of Jesus Christ, though my version of all of that is quite different than what is publicly known.
Still, I strive to follow the two commandments of Christianity found in Mathew 22:36-39, not because I am a Christian, I'm not, at least not in any typical sense, but because they fit my understanding of the world. I follow a version of the Gospel, but in my version it is a path, not an agreement. In this it is about how one lives, not about what happens after one dies. However my version of the Gospel is not such that it should be made public. I'm not trying to recruit or convert others to the path. Everyone has their own, after all. Or as a movie I rather love put it: "There is a separate sky for each of us"


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Nillion]
    #28600300 - 12/27/23 08:50 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

This isn't rocket science. Take an apple. Okay, yes, apples exist, but every apple is different. We know this, and this means our word cannot actually encompass what really exists, but we act as if it doesn't matter in order to communicate. The reality of our world is not our concepts about it, but it is not inaccessible to us. It is what is accessible to us. Words are to exchange exactly what is incommunicable and inaccessible in each other. This is exactly why words have specificity, not as a means of brainwashing by some authority, but in order that our mentalities and perspectives match - beyond the words.

It does matter that our words contain this fundamental lack of cohesiveness, which cannot contain the plurality they seek to limit and contain. "The nature of the word nature" is nonsensical for exactly these reasons. It is an infinite regress. It is just restating the same thing with more words hoping to get something else.

Nature, however, in the sense of how the world is, what appears to us, the sun shining on plants, the fish in the ocean, the rain on the pond with the frogs... Is exactly that. It is not one thing. It is many many things. When you ask "what is the nature of something?" You really mean by 'nature' the word 'genus.' What is the genus of that? It is a method of categorization. There is a reason Lucretius' poem is "de rerum natura" on the nature of thingS. Not "on the nature thing.' For Lucretius there is a most fundamental plurality, and these things (everything) are nature. Nature is not one thing. It is a singular word as a placeholder for a reference to what is plural and can only really be ever spoken of with any real meaning singly and explicitly, taken with care and regard for the disparate - not to throw all of that aside for the sake of holding the small portion of things that may be conceptually similar as the most important information about any of them at all. A doctor does not prescribe a treatment merely based on what a book says but by a careful, unique analysis of the patient. Pharma companies want the opposite, but that is beside the point. There is no blueprint of reality that is the real reality. Life is like a potato more than a tree of branches. It may grow in any direction, in any shape, completely at random. So much for any telos of war in nature. Nature will create flesh esting bacteria for nothing other than the fact that your face can be a nice meal to a microscopic organism. This doesn't mean it is in your nature to have MRSA infect your face.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28600314 - 12/27/23 09:30 PM (1 month, 16 hours ago)

nature does not create bacteria, hahaha.
but bacteria are part of nature.

try not to think of nature in the same category as god the creator, although there is something omnipresent about nature because it is everywhere.
it is more the place holder word for "what is" or "what exists, and how was it before, and how things work".
it could also be the world or the universe including all of life.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28600318 - 12/27/23 09:37 PM (1 month, 16 hours ago)

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Blue_Lux said:Nature is not one thing. It is a singular word as a placeholder for a reference to what is plural




I can respect that this is your opinion but I do not find it to be tenable.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28600323 - 12/27/23 09:55 PM (1 month, 16 hours ago)

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redgreenvines said:
it could also be the world or the universe including all of life.



As well as the way, or course, or path, of said Universe, and it can be both the Universe and the way of it and be a single thing and be entirely consistent with Spinoza's Deus sive Natura.

I am reminded of Categories in this conversation, the work by Aristotle. This relates to substance as essence and is developed into Substance Theory. In that context Blue_lux's assertions about nature are accurate when considered as about essence. However that is largely unrelated to the Nature I write of, this is more apparent if one replaces nature with another word, like tendency. In this questions about the tendencies of things are valid lines of inquiry, but one sees how the concept fails when one inserts the word Tendency into Spinoza who does not claim that tendency is God, so to speak. Likewise I am reminded strongly of The Way, or Tao, which can also be called Nature and which fits rather well into Spinoza.

Incidentally Tao has teachings about war, which given that it's author was known as a skilled swordsman is no surprise to those familiar with the context and hidden meanings, which are strongly related to martial arts. Much of my opinion reflects his teachings as well.


Edited by Nillion (12/27/23 10:01 PM)


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28600505 - 12/28/23 05:22 AM (1 month, 8 hours ago)

glad to be quoted with Spinoza, though I only understand 1/10th of what he means.
The Way, yes - that is relative to mind, an embodied and sustaining way finding thing.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28600518 - 12/28/23 05:50 AM (1 month, 8 hours ago)

Spinoza is really just an Epicurean flipped upside down. Someone else already thought of this... around the time I thought of it actually, and they have an essay or a book called Spinoza, The Epicurean. I was led to that conclusion from other things, and I found out about this Greek scholar's work later. I then lost interest in writing something about it when I saw it had already been written, but it is really true. There are many parallels between Lucretius and Spinoza.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28600527 - 12/28/23 06:16 AM (1 month, 7 hours ago)

besides De rerum natura, what else is there to consider?


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Re: The end of war? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28600607 - 12/28/23 08:09 AM (1 month, 5 hours ago)

Lucretius' De Rerum Natura is actually unfinished. It is the only thing extant from him. Very little is known about Lucretius. The work itself is about as complex as it gets. There is so much there, it is really incredible. All the supposedly modern critiques of religion exist in Lucretius. As well, phenomenology is in Lucretius... Every translator will tell you their translation simply cannot do it justice. No translation can possibly give it all. It wants to be read in the original Latin, and it is true, only reading a few pages at a time will leave you dumbstruck. I think he was trying to achieve something like James Joyce, you know, like Finnegan's wake, or rather, perhaps James Joyce had been inspired by Lucretius in that endeavor. There is no question about whether Spinoza had read Lucretius.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28601239 - 12/28/23 05:08 PM (30 days, 20 hours ago)

On a side note, I think there is a real chance someone gave me a tire blowout today. Recently put on... Never had one before. A few weird factors, and another right before it happened. I haven't found the reason it blew out yet, but I will. I'm just hoping that is wrong, and that it really was something random. I don't drive over stuff. I'm a very safe driver.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28601276 - 12/28/23 05:33 PM (30 days, 20 hours ago)

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Blue_Lux said:
On a side note, I think there is a real chance someone gave me a tire blowout today. Recently put on... Never had one before. A few weird factors, and another right before it happened. I haven't found the reason it blew out yet, but I will. I'm just hoping that is wrong, and that it really was something random. I don't drive over stuff. I'm a very safe driver.



Sorry to hear it.
I'm glad you're a safe driver.
Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
Stay safe!


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Re: The end of war? [Re: Nillion] * 1
    #28601331 - 12/28/23 06:20 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago)



I'm not afraid to die. All that truly matters is love, and I've had a lifetime worth of it. Only thing that gets to me deepest is the idea of being without my husband, or never seeing his face again. That's the only thing about death that I am not ready to face. If it happens. We've talked about this, but it doesn't fix it, and we've maybe said everything you can actually say about it. Besides that, I already took my own shot at death before. All this is borrowed time for all I consider.


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Re: The end of war? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28601342 - 12/28/23 06:29 PM (30 days, 19 hours ago)

I'm glad you are around and am happy for you and your husband.
Love is one of my favorite things about life too.


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