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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: Freedom]
    #28582344 - 12/14/23 08:37 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I think that it can be done without fear conditioning.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: Freedom]
    #28582351 - 12/14/23 08:51 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

I agree, attachment theory goes into that.



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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: extreme]
    #28582965 - 12/14/23 06:09 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

In my view trauma is what didn't happen, and regret is not knowing what you'll do next time.

Maybe men who were conscripted had to show no fear of emotion to handle the war, and kept the practice afterwards. Being too tough to ask for help has died out over generations.

Personally, I'd say filtering our inner circle adds quality to those interactions. Maybe that means finding hyperactive people too.

Philosophically, have you tried thanking the Sun?


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: sudly]
    #28582989 - 12/14/23 06:26 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

can you give an example of trauma being what you didn't get?

usually I'm used to that being called neglect


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: Freedom]
    #28583025 - 12/14/23 06:57 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

An associated failure


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28583058 - 12/14/23 07:13 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Trauma does spread through association, I think that spread is useful to differentiate from the original trauma.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: Freedom]
    #28583095 - 12/14/23 07:39 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Trauma being what didn't happen*

E.g. You tried to kick the winning goal in a soccer match but you missed.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: sudly]
    #28583123 - 12/14/23 08:03 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Rebuttal; the physical trauma that I’m still going through. Causes me pain when it’s cold.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: sudly]
    #28583142 - 12/14/23 08:19 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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Trauma being what didn't happen*

E.g. You tried to kick the winning goal in a soccer match but you missed.



this is an instance of shame which is painful and traumatic and it happened - it is not the only form of pain that can be traumatic but shame is very often traumatic.

it happens.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28583255 - 12/14/23 09:58 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Failure is confirmation that I am a truly wretched person.

It's also the reason why I'm very suspicious of compliments.

I've worked hard on this, but I still hate to be complimented.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28583294 - 12/14/23 10:41 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

me too


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: sudly]
    #28583298 - 12/14/23 10:44 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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Trauma being what didn't happen*

E.g. You tried to kick the winning goal in a soccer match but you missed.




I don't think the lack of getting what you want ever gets as extreme as getting what you don't want can be. Like torture.

I like to use trauma for more intense stuff and just conditioning for the less intense stuff, because trauma is associated with phenomena (e.g. flashbacks, hypervigiliance, or chronic dissociation) that appear with more intense conditioning.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: Freedom]
    #28583300 - 12/14/23 10:46 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I'd greatly prefer torture to social isolation.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: Freedom]
    #28583305 - 12/14/23 10:54 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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sudly said:
Trauma being what didn't happen*

E.g. You tried to kick the winning goal in a soccer match but you missed.




I don't think the lack of getting what you want ever gets as extreme as getting what you don't want can be. Like torture.

I like to use trauma for more intense stuff and just conditioning for the less intense stuff, because trauma is associated with phenomena (e.g. flashbacks, hypervigiliance, or chronic dissociation) that appear with more intense conditioning.




Even in the case of torture, what didn't happen?

You didn't get your freedom, you didn't get liberty, you didn't get to live without that pain.


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Re: Philosophy for millennia vs. contemporary Psychology - meaning and men [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28583306 - 12/14/23 10:56 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

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I'd greatly prefer torture to social isolation.




With social isolation, what didn't happen?

You didn't get to socialise, to feel human connection, to share your time with others.


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