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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Asante]
    #28558647 - 11/27/23 05:44 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

At least he makes the question complicated.
Donating 5 1/2 million dollars to charity. Does make it difficult to say that blowing up something to be famous, is only for vanity.

I’d say he’s having a lot of fun making a lot of money. And donating to charitable causes. Which is inherently good. But I say his enjoyment seems to be first and foremost what he is working towards. Saint Hood work is humble work. You don’t need people to see you doing it to know you’re doing the right thing.
So while I am convinced, he is a good guy.
He is no saint.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28559033 - 11/28/23 02:53 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Society fails when saints have to lie..


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 2
    #28559087 - 11/28/23 04:55 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

I dislike the mrbeast video, not to shill for him but mrbeast is in good standing with me and this video shows stuff that doesnt touch what he's actually doing, its meanspirited.

God's on MrBeast's side you can't deny that.

MrBeast weaponized capitalism for philantrophy.

Sure he's probably making bank but at present he devotes his life, literally, to planting ever greater fields of generosity, afforded by virally paying it forward.

He is getting more efficient in doing works of greater good.

He is actually doing what megachurches promise, without preaching in word, but demonstrating goodness in deed.

Great respect for the guy, he's a youngster not knowing what to do with himself in this fcked society, so he's going full kamikaze in chasing this divine inspiration.

Saint is the wrong word but he is teaching the world.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Asante]
    #28559246 - 11/28/23 09:05 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

I agree the video was mean spirited.
I don’t disagree. The guy is doing some amazing philanthropy. I’ve just seen some of his videos that seem like he’s having a blast. But just because you’re having fun, doesn’t mean you aren’t doing good things.

He is certainly doing a lot more for his community than the churches.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28559268 - 11/28/23 09:51 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

Speaking of: today your donations get quadrupled in the culmination of shroomsgiving!


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28566990 - 12/03/23 04:10 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

George Orwell - 1984
'We are the priests of power,' he said. 'God is power. But at present power is only a word so far as you are concerned. It is time for you to gather some idea of what power means. The first thing you must realize is that power is collective. The individual only has power in so far as he ceases to be an individual. You know the Party slogan: "Freedom is Slavery". Has it ever occurred to you that it is reversible? Slavery is freedom. Alone -- free -- the human being is always defeated. It must be so, because every human being is doomed to die, which is the greatest of all failures. But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal. The second thing for you to realize is that power is power over human beings. Over the body but, above all, over the mind. Power over matter -- external reality, as you would call it -- is not important. Already our control over matter is absolute.'
https://www.abhaf.org/assets/books/html/1984/174.html


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28582494 - 12/14/23 11:25 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I think this is more a matter of understanding/perspective than authenticity.

and also comes in shades of gray rather than black or white

i see two aspects in your comments. One is self centeredness  vs say whole centeredness. The other is your understanding of the world. If someone really believes in eternal torture, trying to save people from that sounds like a sane, authentic and nobel cause.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: Freedom]
    #28583175 - 12/14/23 08:53 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

The problem with the 'Great Commission' of missionaries coming to everyone's house and proselytizing them, is numerous passages about predestination / foreordainment in which prophets and blood feuds would be known from the womb and even when the foundations of the Earth were laid.

edit --typo


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583178 - 12/14/23 08:55 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

You’re right.
:fingerpistol:
You shouldn’t go to someone and tell them they’re going to suffer because they don’t believe the same thing as you.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28583181 - 12/14/23 08:56 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Just having an actual faith in something happening after you die. Means you are right. As long as you really believe it. You’re not just waiting for a reward. You’re not just afraid of being punished. You just feel at ease because you know you’re good.

You don’t need to prove it.
You don’t need to be afraid.
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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583183 - 12/14/23 08:57 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Unrepentant people could suffer terrible curses. They could recover. They could change from their evil ways. Or, have some vision without any missionary or pastor, because no medium or intermediary or intercessor is needed between mankind and God.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28583187 - 12/14/23 09:00 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Quote:

GenesisCorrupted said:
You’re right.
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You shouldn’t go to someone and tell them they’re going to suffer because they don’t believe the same thing as you.




Regardless of our politics, there is still such a thing as being objectively evil...


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583188 - 12/14/23 09:01 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

What really bugs me is when people that don’t believe in God at all, become somebody who has a lot of power over the church. The Catholics used to let you pay money. And then you were absolved of your sins.

Just a coin in the box. And you could go out and do anything you wanted. Because you had five more coins in your pocket.

This kind of ludicrous punishment reward system. Led people to feel justified in the crusades.

One of the greatest tragedies that befel humanity.
Those men were promised blanket immunity. They thought they were going to heaven for all that murder they were doing.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583194 - 12/14/23 09:07 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

"that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
-- from Romans 1

"...not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another..."
-- from Romans 2

This says you know right from wrong. Is that true?


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583224 - 12/14/23 09:31 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Have you been naughty or nice?


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    #28583226 - 12/14/23 09:32 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I am good.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28583232 - 12/14/23 09:36 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

You've really never missed a beat, never once felt sorry for anything you have ever done?  I thought you have a conscience.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: durian_2008]
    #28583240 - 12/14/23 09:41 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I thought you meant today! 😂

Even with mistakes made. I’m a good person.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28583412 - 12/15/23 04:13 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Are we good considering ourselves and each other identified with these limited flesh bodies allied with the ego? The line of thought I consider from ACIM. It follows, you think you love your cutie, yet, you promote their limited form and yours to do so. Anyways just to ruin your morning. :smile: It's all good if you acknowledge and begin to hand it over.

But the course goes deep in the repercussions of what we think we are making hate inevitable, even if we act as normal 'good' humans. Notice how vulnerable that is as soon as threat is perceived, or chemistry gets tweaked, ...

Hermes I believe confirmed, the divine spark is limited by the qualities of the bodies.


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Re: The Priest vs the Saint. Are you religious, or just afraid of consequence? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28583419 - 12/15/23 04:28 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

I think in the Magic, White and Black book read recently, or related, was described a scene where a young man was leaving overseas perhaps as a soldier, and was with his sweet amor who spoke words of love and promise, and astrally on the front side was perceived manifest vibes of said beauty and promise, yet behind her the same was peopled with shadow things. The falsehood of separation must carry the shadow I guess.


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