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the realization that everything is perfect * 2
    #28582443 - 12/14/23 10:17 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)

hey all
i realized that everything is perfect
from meditation
i have become really happy from meditating
you have to meditate until that happens both of them
there comes an enormous ease from realizing that everything is perfect
and from meditation
it can take 10 years
3-4000 hours
but when it happens it's permanent or pretty much fixed
there's also contentment joy and relaxation etc.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28582475 - 12/14/23 11:03 AM (1 month, 14 days ago)



sounds neat

i need to get back to meditating


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: epilectric]
    #28582623 - 12/14/23 01:30 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

well yeah, and when you feel blue, that is perfect too.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28582660 - 12/14/23 02:04 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

how was the process for you?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom] * 1
    #28582771 - 12/14/23 04:05 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

smells fishy :wink:

but sure meditation is like good and stuff, great... but you assert one would have to meditate to be happy, to realize 'everything' is 'perfect' ???

doubt that...

and IMO happiness and contentment are sometimes ideal but not synonomous with progress, drive, or mastery of the external.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: andrewss]
    #28582812 - 12/14/23 04:36 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in quite some time! Howdy andrewss :wave:


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: andrewss] * 2
    #28582866 - 12/14/23 05:15 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

based on how all things were before - nothing is out of place, and as it will be based on all things now, everything being in its place, everything will be as it should be.

Or to be most explicit in the here and now, to which meditation provides some cognitive access, everything is how it is and would not be otherwise.

that may not seem perfect to anyone's tiny mind's viewpoint (eg. utopia), but it is what it is and is not a fantasy.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28583456 - 12/15/23 05:44 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)



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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28584056 - 12/15/23 02:59 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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based on how all things were before - nothing is out of place, and as it will be based on all things now, everything being in its place, everything will be as it should be.

Or to be most explicit in the here and now, to which meditation provides some cognitive access, everything is how it is and would not be otherwise.

that may not seem perfect to anyone's tiny mind's viewpoint (eg. utopia), but it is what it is and is not a fantasy.




its very informative to watch how those states fall apart. When I'm sitting in the perfection, its very palpable. There is relaxation and joy. And then the tiniest little detail shatters it completely. It could be I don't like the way a person walks, or a distant brief sound, it could be the slightest judgment about the angle of a tree branch. And the mind slips back into misalignment and difficulty


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom] * 2
    #28584086 - 12/15/23 03:18 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

those little cascades of perceptive reflexes are natural in mind.
with some serenity we can see them nakedly and  they do not cascade wastefully.
all of mind is reflexes, including this path to tranquility and insight.

which is to say, there is no shame in one's conditioning emerging; especially as we begin again.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom] * 1
    #28589921 - 12/19/23 02:37 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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its very informative to watch how those states fall apart. When I'm sitting in the perfection, its very palpable. There is relaxation and joy. And then the tiniest little detail shatters it completely. It could be I don't like the way a person walks, or a distant brief sound, it could be the slightest judgment about the angle of a tree branch. And the mind slips back into misalignment and difficulty




yes i slip back easily too


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #28589943 - 12/19/23 02:55 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

any distraction will do


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #28590343 - 12/19/23 07:17 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

each time it happens you can see a habit of your mind. it can help you see subtle things, cause all it takes is the tiniest thing and suddenly there is a big change


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom] * 1
    #28590345 - 12/19/23 07:17 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

or things you usually hide from yourself


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom] * 2
    #28590358 - 12/19/23 07:23 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I don't expect magical things to happen when I see it, but being aware of how orchestrated all this behavior is that carries my awareness along is fascinating.

sometimes being fascinated is magic enough.

wow!


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28592816 - 12/21/23 02:17 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Did you put me on ignore, RGV's?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28592836 - 12/21/23 02:36 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I don't expect magical things to happen when I see it, but being aware of how orchestrated all this behavior is that carries my awareness along is fascinating.

sometimes being fascinated is magic enough.

wow!




when i pay attention there isn't an atom of existance that isn't magic


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28592840 - 12/21/23 02:37 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Anyone ever tried the insight timer app?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28592847 - 12/21/23 02:43 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

i use it but just for the timer


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom]
    #28592867 - 12/21/23 03:00 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

from https://www.choosingtherapy.com/insight-timer-review/
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Final Verdict

Insight Timer has a truly impressive and extensive meditation library. What is even more outstanding about Insight Timer is all of the free content offered. While the library can be overwhelming at first, it really does become easier to navigate the longer you play around in the app. Even if you are brand new to meditation, I highly recommend Insight Timer as an awesome place to start your practice. It definitely earned all 4.5 stars and with small updates, could easily become a 5-star app!




I just use my cel phone timer.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom]
    #28592873 - 12/21/23 03:05 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Carl Jung has been integral to my frame of mind since I began reading his works. Within the app are several active imagination “guides” that have been interesting to pursue. Most proficient when started after drinking fresh tea and  an hour spent within a dark and silent room. There are many other guided meditations to follow as well. However the ability to choose your own bells and or sound accompanying the time is quite nice as well.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28592875 - 12/21/23 03:06 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I couldn’t think of a better use for a cellphone. Very intrepid of you, I like that.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28592901 - 12/21/23 03:29 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Carl Jung has been integral to my frame of mind since I began reading his works. Within the app are several active imagination “guides” that have been interesting to pursue. Most proficient when started after drinking fresh tea and  an hour spent within a dark and silent room. There are many other guided meditations to follow as well. However the ability to choose your own bells and or sound accompanying the time is quite nice as well.




over time I devoloped like a pavlonian response to the bells, so I can replicate the sounds im use3d to with it

the jung thing sounds interesting


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom]
    #28592910 - 12/21/23 03:35 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Dr. Carl Jung, his work is very interesting. A solid pillar of psychoanalysis. They say Freud excavated the basement of unconsciousness, if that’s true than Jung excavated many many layers below the basement. I believe most folks on the website would appreciate his works within the collective unconsciousness and it’s greater relation to comparative mythology. Man and his symbols touches upon that exact, however it isn’t a book comprised of his work alone.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28592917 - 12/21/23 03:42 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I read the basics of Freud and Jung when I was 18 and although I disagree with much of what they wrote, it gave a lense to look into myself that helped unconver a lot and helped learn how to function in the world and find motivation and enthusasm

its funny i can't even remember what the concepts were anymore, I probably talk about them or my own version of them without realizing it


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom]
    #28592918 - 12/21/23 03:43 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

also jung's red book seems really fascinating


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom]
    #28592988 - 12/21/23 04:41 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I have enjoyed Jung's efforts to bring together so much thinking about commonalities between people's most treasured symbols.
I have enjoyed Freud's emphasis on association in unraveling the psyche.
But I have had little patience for either Freud's or Jung's theories, even though, in their day, they were outstanding achievements, they just do not work for me as keys to understanding myself or others.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Freedom]
    #28592990 - 12/21/23 04:42 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

That’s because their ideas and concepts were correct, otherwise their words wouldn’t of been internalized. Obviously they lived in a different reality, as all members of history who have had their ideas and concepts inseparable from current understanding of human psychology. The Greek and Roman gods were nothing less than emotions personified- as human beings are a loose collection of emotions, at any given time,that just so happen to posses us at certain times(proof is: have you ever been hungry/horny/angry/honest). Those emotions are what modern westerners no longer accept as a possibility for their incarnation as physical gods(metaphysical nature or the question).
At any rate, reading up on comparative mythology an or psychoanalytical research will undoubtedly prove to strike a chord within anyone. Otherwise it wouldn’t be talked about several thousand nor several decades later.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593005 - 12/21/23 04:51 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

However it works, I’m obviously as biased as anyone who posts anything. Unless we’re speaking in mathematics, chemistry, or tongues we’re all prone to neglect certain truths or our own inhibited lack of acknowledgement that could potentially destroy our own navigational system built within our own mind.



Or not
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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593019 - 12/21/23 04:58 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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At any rate, reading up on comparative mythology an or psychoanalytical research will undoubtedly prove to strike a chord within anyone. Otherwise it wouldn’t be talked about several thousand nor several decades later.




the lack of anything better in a consensual culture assures this stagnated progress.
At least we are screaming ahead in AI, without the old gods.
This could help unseat some stagnant notions.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28593027 - 12/21/23 05:03 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Either you’ve missed the point or everyone else before you did


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593044 - 12/21/23 05:09 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Just to clarify, I don’t speak for any other mind than my own. In no way should this online conversation that anyone may follow persuade anyone from the great work of all philosophers and psychoanalysis.

AI isn’t Nietzsche nor Shakespeare. It’s ability to persuade anyone to believe it’s writings are exact to that which is replicates should be frightening enough without any persuasion.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593053 - 12/21/23 05:13 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

AI ain’t Humanity. All of history has been written by humans, who were and are part of humanity. AI is something beyond the scope of our intelligence. When Google answers your search question, it will do so in .0000000345 seconds. Within that time it will produce several million hits. Imagine the time it would take for a human to produce that many hits. Considering AI exists beside us, it should be frightening to recognize AI doesn’t experience time relative to us.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593059 - 12/21/23 05:17 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

how do you experience time, and is that related to Freud or Jung?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #28593320 - 12/21/23 08:03 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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hey all
i realized that everything is perfect
from meditation
i have become really happy from meditating
you have to meditate until that happens both of them
there comes an enormous ease from realizing that everything is perfect
and from meditation
it can take 10 years
3-4000 hours
but when it happens it's permanent or pretty much fixed
there's also contentment joy and relaxation etc.




I agree. I love the expanse of meditation that is happening for me, from sitting with eyes closed to moving this physical form through 3-D reality, all is dance and play. Even atrocious things. But I guess that's why we like a good scary movie, right?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593364 - 12/21/23 08:30 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

We all experience time according to our relative distance from the sun. I believe Alfred Steinberg has a “twin paradox” theory you should check out. That should answer you question about how you and I both experience time, along with Jung and Freud.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593388 - 12/21/23 08:48 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I think you have avoided the question about how you are experiencing time.
I will rephrase it as
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"how are you personally experiencing the passing of time now?"




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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28593496 - 12/21/23 10:59 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Thank you very much for rephrasing that. You’ve blown my mind.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: SalvadorDaliParton]
    #28593619 - 12/22/23 04:55 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Using the findings of Freud and Jung does this question connect in some way?
why do you say that I blew your mind?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28593876 - 12/22/23 09:53 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

you spice my mind


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28593877 - 12/22/23 09:55 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I have enjoyed Jung's efforts to bring together so much thinking about commonalities between people's most treasured symbols.
I have enjoyed Freud's emphasis on association in unraveling the psyche.
But I have had little patience for either Freud's or Jung's theories, even though, in their day, they were outstanding achievements, they just do not work for me as keys to understanding myself or others.




me neither
soeren kierkegaard is better


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28593913 - 12/22/23 10:29 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Soren Kierkegaard :Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are.





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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28593916 - 12/22/23 10:31 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Hey, Ferdinando! :heart:

Can you please ask why RGV's is ignoring me.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28594657 - 12/23/23 12:14 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Hey Pinkerton, your obsession with RGV is weird. Just letting you know…


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy]
    #28594674 - 12/23/23 01:22 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

everything is a light


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy]
    #28594710 - 12/23/23 03:15 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Hey Pinkerton, your obsession with RGV is weird. Just letting you know…



thanks, I am using ignore to keep my reactions in check, someone has been locating and pressing my buttons too much for my liking, so I am taking a holiday from it.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy]
    #28594723 - 12/23/23 03:55 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Hey Pinkerton, your obsession with RGV is weird. Just letting you know…



You write as if you are someone of importance.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28594737 - 12/23/23 04:29 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I’m not someone of importance Pinkerton. I’m just someone with a message. A message for you my good chap.

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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy]
    #28594750 - 12/23/23 04:48 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I’m not someone of importance Pinkerton

Then why do you write your opinion?

I’m just someone with a message. A message for you my good chap.

Making fun of me. :congrats:


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28594755 - 12/23/23 04:57 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Love you Pinkerton ❤️

It’s all in good fun mate, I’m not trying to make a fool out of anyone. I’m a fool.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy]
    #28594757 - 12/23/23 05:00 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

That is a nifty comeback! Merry Xmas, brother! Much love from Norway. :heart:


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28594764 - 12/23/23 05:16 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Merry Christmas! Kisses from Australia 😘


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy] * 1
    #28594791 - 12/23/23 05:47 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

like the taking of hostages


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28594794 - 12/23/23 05:49 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Yeah, I am hopeless. FML.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28594808 - 12/23/23 05:58 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

That’s awesome haha, never seen that movie


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28594832 - 12/23/23 06:13 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

in one post you claimed that you are chasing redgreenvines like a mouse, so i think now he disappeared in one of these mouse holes. you will have to find another mouse now, maybe one in norway. or give up on mice altogether


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #28594834 - 12/23/23 06:15 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Yeah, chasing mice is for cats


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: epilectric]
    #28594837 - 12/23/23 06:18 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

in one post you claimed that you are chasing redgreenvines like a mouse

LMFAO!

so i think now he disappeared in one of these mouse holes

He is inside my brain.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28594879 - 12/23/23 06:50 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Toxoplasmosis?


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: Bardy] * 1
    #28595066 - 12/23/23 09:14 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

sorry about the challenges I have left behind, but you are right epilectric, I was not fishing for cats, and I did not enjoy the tease or the terror.


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Re: the realization that everything is perfect [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28595706 - 12/23/23 07:24 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Oh, boys! Lookee what I got heyuh.


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