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Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito * 1
    #2857893 - 07/05/04 03:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think this proposes a definately serious conflict here.


On one hand you have buddhism (you could throw in hinduism too), and then you have the mosquito...

Blood sucking... life taking insect. It just waits... waits for its blood sucking straw to stick into your arm...

The question is... do you slap it... or do you let it take the blood from you.

Is this creature divine? Why should it be allowed to take my life?

Are there karmic ramifications for slapping this mosquito?

Do they have mosquitos in Nepal?


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2858071 - 07/05/04 05:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

fundamental buddhism would say that either way makes no difference....that the difference between right and wrong is an illusion as is everything else.

But ignoring that you could say that right and wrong depends on your intentions. Are you doing this action (in this case killing the mosquito) out of selfishness or because you believe it's the right thign to do?

I myself vary.....sometimes I swat them, sometimes I do not. Usually when I do it's a reflex and in that case they also should not be so greedy that they ignore the hand speeding towards them in favor of a few more drops of blood.


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2858095 - 07/05/04 05:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Let the sucker penetrate your forearm, then when it has neared its fill, flex your muscle hard to keep it's probiscus from retracting. Watch and enjoy!


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2858142 - 07/05/04 06:44 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

get a net


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2858158 - 07/05/04 07:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

An inter net?


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Swami]
    #2858303 - 07/05/04 10:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

inner net


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2859268 - 07/05/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Convince the mosquito through magic and mental mind conversation energy that it would be very unwise to suck the blood of especially you. Make it beliefe it's better to suck from another person.
If it's not convinced, proove by action :laugh:
I think Buddha would think it does not matter for you. But if there would be lots of buddhas there would soon be lots of mosquitos and then it could matter. On the other hand, if you feed this mosquito, other people are relifed from this specific one. Badly, more mosquitos will follow. Is it comparable to a beggar ?
Or better, like Jesus, give his life for their sins ? :laugh:
For me, it's more naturaly to follow life sometimes, especially coping with low minded entities. I go back to their 'level'. Means: Kill or you will be killed, show the same, they will do to you.
I wouldn't like to preach to lions like Samson, or was it Daniel ?
Perhaps it would be the best to just 'hurt' the mosquito so that it can tell it to its relatives and friends :wink:
Sorry, no real spiritual solution comes to my mind. Interesting thread.


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2859532 - 07/05/04 08:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Zero7a1 said:Are there karmic ramifications for slapping this mosquito?




Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought karma was essentially the thought that every action has a chain of reactions?  I figured the 'karmic balance' was just a westernized concept of it but I could be way off (as usual) :smile:


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #2859907 - 07/05/04 11:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Make it beliefe it's better to suck from another person.

Apparently your girlfriend intercepted the message - sorry. :frown:


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2860114 - 07/06/04 12:32 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nature is an evolutionary arms race between species including humans.

Mosquitoes are the mechanism designed by nature to ensure parity; the blueprints (DNA) are shared amongst species through blood using mosquitoes. This ensures that no species is destroyed by a competitor's evolutionary advance. Gradual changes can be adapted to, sudden ones cannot.


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2860793 - 07/06/04 07:53 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i think the jaina would be more nitpicky about practicing ahimsa...


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2860984 - 07/06/04 10:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

An old Zen saying... "The fish in the pond cries in pain as I kill the mosquito on my arm."


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Seuss]
    #2861272 - 07/06/04 01:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Why would the fish cry? Cause it could not eat the mosquito?

I understand looking at it where things are neither right or wrong, but i think it definately brigns up a conflict that cant really be handled rationally, especially why you consider the life of the other individual.

Swami made a good point... teach the mosquito a lesson... make it feel a piece of your pain, but dont kill it. Would that then be compassion?


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2861477 - 07/06/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The mosquito has a solution....


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Swami]
    #2861958 - 07/06/04 05:57 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Make it beliefe it's better to suck from another person.

Apparently your girlfriend intercepted the message - sorry. :frown:



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Hehe, sure. My mosquito-girlfriend doesn't like to share. For every drop of my life-fluid, I will rip one leg :grin:


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2861965 - 07/06/04 05:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Zero7a1 said:
Swami made a good point... teach the mosquito a lesson... make it feel a piece of your pain, but dont kill it. Would that then be compassion?




Actually, I'm pretty sure the thing Swami said WILL kill it.. it can't pull it's little sucker out and it pops like a balloon.

Sounds more like cruelty than compassion. ;p

Don't get me wrong, Swamster, I'm all for cruelty against mosquitos.  :thumbup:


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2861982 - 07/06/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Wouldn't expanding the muscle under where our skeeter friend is poking his little proboscis expand the surface area of the skin making the pores on the skin larger, not smaller?

Wouldn't that make it easier, not harder, for her to remove her needle of doom?

I'm all for doing anything to make the job of the little bitches harder- mosquitoes are the state bird down here.


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Jellric]
    #2861989 - 07/06/04 06:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly, I've never tried it.

But from what I hear, flexing the muscle somehow keeps him from retracting it.. and as long as the tube is inserted, it's stomach keeps filling with blood.. before you know it, you've got a little red-water balloon.


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2862032 - 07/06/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Seems counter-intuitive to me since the muscle is well under the layer of skin our little red bagger is drilling. I'll give it a try though..plenty of opportunities for experimentation here.


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Re: Buddhism V.S. The Mosquito [Re: Jellric]
    #2862093 - 07/06/04 06:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If muscle-tensing doesn't work for you, then go to your hardware store and get a small C-clamp...


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