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Invisiblebub_x
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If you were going to jail tormorow?
    #2857880 - 07/05/04 01:39 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

What would you do if you were going to jail tomorrow for a large jail sentence? Would you try and hide? How? New identity? Pitch your ideas

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2857986 - 07/05/04 02:40 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Didn't spike like make a movie about this?

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2858448 - 07/05/04 10:03 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Depends on the charge, and how long the sentence was. I think anything over 30 years, I'd flee the country.


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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: discoabe]
    #2858653 - 07/05/04 11:44 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Didn't spike like make a movie about this?



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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2859256 - 07/05/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I would get out of the country. Then come back with a new identity and a new face.


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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: downforpot]
    #2864722 - 07/07/04 11:30 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

i would run to a new country if it was more then like 10 years. because fuck that im 18 years old and im not spending the next 10 years of my life in jail

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2868990 - 07/08/04 01:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

depends on for how long. there is no point in showing up to something that can take the rest of your life.

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2880277 - 07/11/04 11:49 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

25 to life? I'm outta here.
Possible probation with a good lawyer? Not worth the escape.


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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2881218 - 07/12/04 04:23 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The obvious place to flee would be a nation with no extradition treaty.

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2881709 - 07/12/04 10:23 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Well for a start you'd have to be on a bail, given you're yet to face a trial by jury followed by another court appearance of sentencing. Aussie system here. There's no way you'll be left at large unless they have you by the balls!!

Now if the crime you're involved in has a long possible stretch, the bail will be HUGE and that's the only window period you have to run, because if found guily in the trial by jury, you'll be jailed pending sentencing. They then deduct the time you spent in jail off your time given in prison.

So, if you decide to run it will be while you're out on bail and whatever you put up for bail, even if it was the security of your parents house will be forfeited. Did you think about that?

I can't see how its possible one can knowingly be facing a big stretch and still be at large without bail, unless they have a warrant out for you, i.e. "most wanted" like for armed robbery?

Must be different in the US?

Btw, the "you" and the ^above is all a hypothetical, like this thread.

Edited by Starter (07/12/04 10:26 AM)

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: bub_x]
    #2881810 - 07/12/04 10:58 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

If you did the crime then you should do the time. You made a conscious decision to break the law and you knew there was a possibility that you could go to jail if caught. Suck it in and face it like a man or woman.

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: UncleMike]
    #2882258 - 07/12/04 01:13 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Does this hold true if the laws are unjust?


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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: SixCee]
    #2882683 - 07/12/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

most of the time the laws are just.

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: UncleMike]
    #2884156 - 07/12/04 10:03 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

would you consider a victimless crime as just, what about those that are just a redundancy of other laws... I know a girl that had an accident due to road conditions, her 18 month old child and the other driver were killed, she was convicted of manslaughter even though there was nothing indicating she was 'faultable'

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Re: If you were going to jail tormorow? [Re: UncleMike]
    #2884344 - 07/12/04 10:50 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Depends on how one wants to view "just laws"?

I can understand why the Americans are so angry at their judicial system because laws that throw people away for years on end, for victimless crime, such as cultivation, are unjust. I think a "snitch system", one that the US has, that spies on her people, to feed the largest incarceration rate in the world blows.

But they are her laws and thinking anything contrary is delusion. One should also know what their laws are to make a strategy. Nothing else one can do in the face of that machine.

My take on it is this, if you 'do the crime you do the time' if you get caught. So whatever you do, if you're doing the crime, play it careful and tell no one. If you get busted don't snitch and if someone puts up bail for you then don't run on their money. You should by rights have your own money to set a bail and if not, then you shouldn't be doing the crime. If people are into victim crime, like break and enter, car stealing and armed robbery, I hope such people are caught. I have no sympathy to thieves nor rapists and other scum. Victim criminals should face the toughest wrath of all!

Finally, if I lived in a country where the cultivation laws are super tough on growers, even on growers of small personal use and no where near traffick scale, I would get the bux together and leave or simply not grow. There are Americans who have done just that. Life style comes at a price, but it's priceless when you have it. PF, for example, should have set up in the UK with a distributor of spores back US side. He had the capital to do that. Result, he was busted with 7 dry grams of shrooms and look at the hell he went through from cops with machine guns kicking in his door to property forfeiture.

Here's some other examples.

5 to 40 years mandatory federal for 100 or more Cannabis plants and he gets done with 187 plants. Even if this guy pays through the gazoo and has the best attorney money can buy, he will still get 5 years. That's the best outcome. If his legal team fails, and it doesn't look very hopeful as the system wants to wrap him on a "total grow number", he may well be an old man before he sees freedom again.

Two mushroom growers face up to 30 years for a seven bulk shroom tubs and 100 popppy pods. Nothing extraordinary, much like many folks in the shroomery run without thought. But 30 years!! Unlike the commercial Cannabis growing guy in ^above link who has the bux to fight in court, these fellahs are students so they're probably short on coin. That means they'll probably be old men before they get out to see freedom.

Reading between the lines on this post, a shroom grower is facing 6 to 20 years and $10,000 fine, and on multiple counts, as he kept a mushroom grow log. He may well be an old man too before he sees freedom.

3 PF cakes, half an ounce of shrooms and snitched in from selling a few grams of shrooms. Facing 1 year prison and $10,000 in fines. So he goes and works for the DEA, yep he becomes a snitch too. So forever he'll be a pariah and bashed senseless, or worse, in due time, as the drug scene has many vengeful ears and eyes.

Laws with the punishment like the ^above, where snitches are manufactured, are NOT just, they're insane.


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