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HappyNebula
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No euphoria or intense visuals
#28577496 - 12/10/23 05:51 PM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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I've tripped 4 times with different doses and different strains of truffels (between 10-15 grams). The first time was alright, but nothing exciting. The next two times I started questioning alot and couldn't focus on anything but my thoughts, it was exhausting and although they weren't bad trips, it was not very fun. I tried again yesterday with the strongest strain I could buy and it was more enjoyable, I wasn't stuck in my head and the visuals were more intense but didn't last very long (about an hour). Towards the end of the trip I finally started feeling a little euphoric and I learned alot about myself, it also made me finally quit weed. It was overall a pretty good trip, but I didn't really feel high. I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to get more intense visuals, feel better and have more control over the direction the trip takes. I tripped in my own room with my girlfriend who's sober and aside from the second trip, I've been in a good place mentally before tripping.
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: HappyNebula]
#28577910 - 12/10/23 10:34 PM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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HappyNebula said: I've tripped 4 times with different doses and different strains of truffels (between 10-15 grams). The first time was alright, but nothing exciting. The next two times I started questioning alot and couldn't focus on anything but my thoughts, it was exhausting and although they weren't bad trips, it was not very fun. I tried again yesterday with the strongest strain I could buy and it was more enjoyable, I wasn't stuck in my head and the visuals were more intense but didn't last very long (about an hour). Towards the end of the trip I finally started feeling a little euphoric and I learned alot about myself, it also made me finally quit weed. It was overall a pretty good trip, but I didn't really feel high. I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to get more intense visuals, feel better and have more control over the direction the trip takes. I tripped in my own room with my girlfriend who's sober and aside from the second trip, I've been in a good place mentally before tripping.
I would strongly suggest avoid making visuals your primary objective.
I also suggest buying a few meditation audiobooks and practicing mediation at nights before sleep (don't listen during the experience). Breath-work/meditation will help you to stop thinking when you find thoughts are getting unpleasant/looping.
I think instead of just letting the experience (your mind) take you wherever it goes you may be trying to impose your own ideals of what the experience should be upon it.
IME the real euphoria is a part of the whole yin/yang pleasure-through-pain experience, and only comes when one surrenders to his fear/discomfort and that fear is then converted into orgasmic feelings of pleasure. I always thought of it as joyous suffering and it is a constant roller-coaster up to around the peak after which it's all fun and games!
It is this balance (IMO) which makes the experience pleasurable and therapeutic as after all, if it was all pleasure then there would -according to the laws of the universe- inevitably have to be a price to pay (as with smoking meth or dropping X)!
Sounds to me like you just need to learn better how to truly let go and surrender yourself to the experience.
Take a larger dose if you want more intense visuals but I would recommend taking the time to learn how to navigate the lower levels first and read up on surrendering techniques/meditation as already mentioned above.
You're second experience tells me that you could get into difficulties if those unpleasant thought loops recur on a higher dose and you're unpracticed in dealing with them.
I learned the hard way through bad experience/trips but really wish I had known about meditation when I was younger/inexperienced!
With higher level doses you'll experience a lot more than simple visuals and for that it is best to be ready.
Also not to be a hippy but try to meditate upon exactly what you want from the experience.
Is it simply a massive life changing experience to tell your friends about, or do you just want some fun/pleasure?
Nothing wrong with either of these intentions, but there are probably easier ways to go about it than using shrooms (MDMA or mescaline for example)!
The trouble with intentions like fun (or a T-shirt) is they are fine right up to the point when things go terribly wrong! Then they are truly terrible intentions!
I learned over the years, because of this, that I had to go into the experience fully expectant of a difficult experience and willing to meet the difficulties head on, with therapy and self-healing being my sole intention and fun/pleasure being a mere benefit or reward for all the heavy lifting!
-------------------- "I'm every nightmare you ever had. I am your worst dreams come true. I am everything you ever were afraid of." Pennywise the dancing clown
Edited by wolf8312 (12/10/23 10:42 PM)
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: HappyNebula]
#28578069 - 12/11/23 04:54 AM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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HappyNebula said:... I tripped in my own room with my girlfriend who's sober and aside from the second trip, I've been in a good place mentally before tripping.
how are you doing physically, the body sensations are key - and the best is breath awareness
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: HappyNebula] 1
#28578170 - 12/11/23 07:12 AM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to get more intense visuals, feel better and have more control over the direction the trip takes.
The truffles / sclerotia have a wide potential potency range, and sometimes the typical 15g doses are underwhelming, even for a beginner.
Visual intensity increases with dose, but so does the tendency to get lost in your own thoughts. It's probably better to focus on the closed-eye visuals, which (in my experience) can become fairly elaborate and interesting at doses which are not too far outside your comfort zone.
For me, the initial part of the trip isn't really a "high," it's more of a weird intoxication that gradually takes over your mind and your thoughts. This part of the trip can be uncomfortable, maybe you question everything including why you took it in the first place, there's a lot of introspection, maybe some anxiety.
I find the euphoria sets in once the trip has reached its peak and the intensity levels off.
These elements of the trip can all intensify at higher doses, so you can get a very intense and uncomfortable comeup where the visuals are strong but the whole thing is disturbing, your thoughts are racing, and you wish it would all stop. Then you reach a point where you realize things are OK and you start to relax and feel extremely blissful and the overall trip is good because you feel like you overcame your doubts and fears and experienced something amazing.

It can be counter-productive to try and control where the trip is going; try to stay positive but sometimes you have to "ride the trip" as best you can and tell yourself it's OK to feel anxious or scared at certain points. Look at it more like a journey where the destination is worthwhile but its not smooth sailing all the way. When things feel weird / wrong / uncomfortable, think of it as a sign of potency, ride the trip and it will take you somewhere amazing even if it feels sinister at some points.
I think the key to enjoying these more intense experiences is not to try and steer them, but to stop worrying, keep a sense of humour, don't take things too seriously, and enjoy the trip the way you would a thrill ride - trying to steer the rollercoaster is a waste of time, being a bit scared is part of the experience. The problem is that this attitude comes mainly from experience - trips don't really bother me the way they would have done at one time. As long as you are in a good setting you can just sit or lie down somewhere comfortable and let the trip run its course.
The other important thing is to be cautious if you are increasing the dosage - it takes a certain amount to get you off-baseline in the first place, but adding more to that dose can have a surprisingly strong impact. Adding another five grams of truffles is one thing, but casually doubling the dose to get better visuals can take the trip somewhere a lot more intense and overwhelming than you are ready for. You may end up with the euphoria and intense visuals, but you pay for it in mindfuck and brutal intensity if you go too far too soon. Even after many trips I am still cautious about how much I take!

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wolf8312 wrote: IME the real euphoria is a part of the whole yin/yang pleasure-through-pain experience, and only comes when one surrenders to his fear/discomfort and that fear is then converted into orgasmic feelings of pleasure. I always thought of it as joyous suffering and it is a constant roller-coaster up to around the peak after which it's all fun and games!
I can empathise with this
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HappyNebula
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: wolf8312]
#28578253 - 12/11/23 08:21 AM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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I watched alot of videos about shrooms/ truffels (simulations and educational) and heard stories from friends and it gave me the idea that shrooms were like a more intense weed.
I think you're right about me imposing my own ideas about what a trip should be, it's definitely why the trips were dissapointing and exhausting despite being great learning experiences. I've been meaning to start meditating for awhile, so I'll be trying that tonight. I think I'm gonna stay off truffels for awhile until I see some improvement with meditation, because in hindsight, most of my trips could've spiraled into a bad trip.
Thanks for your response, it helped me clear alot of my confusion.
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HappyNebula
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I'm doing pretty good physically, I work out and try to eat healthy. But my empty stomach does bother me during trips and I couldn't find anything about the impacts of eating during the come-up and peak, so I've been eating about 40 mins after taking them. I didn't focus much on my breath during the trips, but now that you say it, I probably should.
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: HappyNebula]
#28578457 - 12/11/23 11:31 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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It's really simple.
Listen to Terrance McKenna.
His advice is 5 grams of dried shrooms in silent darkness. Lay on your bed for 6 hours and keep your eyes closed.
You can eat or maybe fast for 4 or 6 hours prior. Drink water and take vitamins. Get healthy in mind, body, and spirit prior. Study "set and setting." Prepare the day prior and have a full 24 hours set aside for yourself. Meditate beforehand if need be. Be calm and clearheaded. Clean the house and do the laundry and have nothing on your "to do" list. Clear your schedule.
You can use an eye mask and/or black out curtains. Have some music or meditations ready on your phone. Use earbuds and listen to your music.
This does not guarantee visuals but it helps. Some people have more physical trips of movements and dancing. But try to just wiggle around in bed and keep your eyes closed for 6 hours. These are CEVs or closed eye visuals. The OEVs or open eye visuals might come if you need water or have to use the toilet.
Good luck. 5 grams is very strong. You may want to start at 2 grams and a month later try 3 gram, and keep progressing up to 5 grams if you need to.
Edited by Soul Flight (12/11/23 11:31 AM)
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: Soul Flight]
#28579068 - 12/11/23 06:40 PM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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I would approach it with a more spiritual and responsible mindset. If you're into visuals, I'd suggest considering growing Panaeolus Cyanescens. They are very potent and visual. The potency of sclerotia can vary significantly. Some varieties may be very potent at 15g raw, while others may require a higher starting dose of 30-40g raw.
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Re: No euphoria or intense visuals [Re: HappyNebula]
#28580107 - 12/12/23 03:02 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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There’s nothing wrong with eating before you take your shrooms. The food in your stomach might make them absorb a bit slower though. If you make your dose into a tea this can help it kick in quicker.
I agree with Wolf. Don’t make visuals your primary aim with tripping.
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