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dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea 3
#28576986 - 12/10/23 12:36 PM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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Blessings family. 🙏 I appreciate you all and your feedback.
I've got 4166.42 gm or / 9 lbs. 2 oz. 20gm of fresh cactus, having removed the spines and outer waxy layer. I used primarily only the green flesh and disposed of nearly all the core. And now have that reduced down to 48 fl. oz. of tea.
The cactus was a combination of lost label trichocereus bridgesii from a young local shaman, and BBB trichocereus bridgesii. I've been cultivating them for about 4 years now, and I feel like these were originally cuts from very old plants. Hard grown outdoors in the Sonoran Desert, and very watered stressed at that as well.
How much tea do you think would be the right amount?
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28577849 - 12/10/23 09:06 PM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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There is only one real way to trip on cactus and that's by throwing up(purging)..
I'd take an arms length plus a couple inches to make sure(like 14 total about). You will struggle to drink enough but that's how you know it'll work. Keep the cactus down for as long as possible(try for an hour) and let go at some point. Even though you will expel most of the cactus, you will continue coming up and have the full trip.
Cactus trips where you aren't nauseous at all are enjoyable too, but ime purging reliably produces the most healing and euphoric effects. To me it feels like being washed clean inside out in body and spirit. It's kind of an all or nothing thing because low doses are comfortable but are like subtle MDMA (not much effects), and you can also dose just a little low and be hella nauseous for a long time. Best is just to go balls to the wall.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: ShiroiTora]
#28578123 - 12/11/23 06:10 AM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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this can be anywhere between 4 to 12 doses. but probably about 8-10 doses just to be safe. so drink about 150-200 ML
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: golmo]
#28578336 - 12/11/23 09:12 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Thank you family. That's what I was thinking too. My thoughts were to go with about 120 ML. Like you said, could potentially be anywhere from around 300mg of alkaloids, all the way up to about 1,500mg. I would think that even at the higher threshold, an experienced and qualified shaman should still be good.
I have felt like this is all very intuitive so, I appreciate the feedback. I will report back next week on the results.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28579491 - 12/12/23 01:59 AM (1 month, 16 days ago) |
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Thats a lot of cacti! 
Im gonna guess 6-8 fl oz of cacti tea would be a good dose. Make sure you have a food to chase the taste! Its very nasty tasting.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28579792 - 12/12/23 09:57 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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Right? I hope so. It was really slow brewed and steeped twice over the course of like... probably 24 hours total. I'm going to go with a 4 fl. oz. cup. Totally possible it could be 1500mg but, highly improbable of course. At least with these particular bridgesii's. And then moving forward, I'll have a real good estimate on what the levels are, so that's cool.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter] 2
#28580255 - 12/12/23 05:17 PM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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Does anyone know of a good and easy way to test cactus material for mescaline content other than an actual extraction and subjective testing or a full xtal extraction and get the weight %?
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28580679 - 12/13/23 12:17 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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Everyone’s different. Air on the lower side for first time as a general principal. Until you find out how it reacts with you.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (12/13/23 12:54 AM)
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28580680 - 12/13/23 12:26 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28580688 - 12/13/23 12:54 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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 All right… Edited.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#28580774 - 12/13/23 05:10 AM (1 month, 15 days ago) |
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Typerwritermonky said: Does anyone know of a good and easy way to test cactus material for mescaline content other than an actual extraction and subjective testing or a full xtal extraction and get the weight %?
I know that it’s possible to test for the existence of mescaline in cactus through the use of reagents. I’ve done it myself.
I had a San Pedro which I bought from a hardware store nursery that had next to zero mescaline and it never turned orange with marquis (scraped a bit of flesh and tested with a drop of marquis on a plate). I also had a San Pedro that had a good mescaline content which would turn bright orange when reacted with marquis. Also did this test with three other cacti and it seemed to work well.
I have no idea if this could give you any kind of indication as to the concentration though. Probably not…
I bet it’s possible that someone could develop a test similar to the psilocybin Qtest though.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Bardy]
#28581407 - 12/13/23 02:34 PM (1 month, 14 days ago) |
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I was just about to mention that new Mushroom Qtest.
I bet one for mescaline is in the works right now. Might be a year or two until we see it available thou....
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28582232 - 12/14/23 06:46 AM (1 month, 14 days ago) |
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I've been drinking cactus tea for couple decades, zero nausea, search here "cactus tea before Waterpark to beat the heat" , I also give dosage with approximate mescaline amounts. Nice pics and grow, keep up good work.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: tregar]
#28582605 - 12/14/23 01:15 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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That's awesome family. Just read the article. The part that says, "I didn't purge although my stomach was really bloated and I needed not to move for about 1:30 hours to avoid puking." ...lol
Respect. Yeah, you can simply take your cactus, chop it up, spines and all, throw it in a blender with some water, strain it all and get some bright green juice! May get virtually the same exact results as you describe in your experience. I like it but, I don't want to drink 800 ml.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28582614 - 12/14/23 01:21 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I was just about to mention that new Mushroom Qtest.
I bet one for mescaline is in the works right now. Might be a year or two until we see it available thou....
Man I really wanted to harvest them now since they've been growing for four years or so already, but I might as well wait another few years.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28584033 - 12/15/23 02:38 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks for creating this post and sharing your story. I’m probably gonna try to get my hands on some in the near future one variety that caught my eye was Bruce’s dragon… Where I’m talking to people on other forums people don’t say a whole lot information I’ve done shrooms and I’ve done acid at least at least three or four times, I want to occasion I took five hits and it was a blast . On my counter of shrooms I would always have a moment where I’m thought omg how do I know I didn’t swallow a poisonous mushroom? lol hopefully I will get an alert and you share your experience.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Bardy]
#28584119 - 12/15/23 03:46 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Bardy said: I had a San Pedro which I bought from a hardware store nursery that had next to zero mescaline and it never turned orange with marquis (scraped a bit of flesh and tested with a drop of marquis on a plate)
So do you think this is a soil composition issue? Like, if you did get one, and then you replanted it. Would it start developing a mescaline content?
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28584322 - 12/15/23 06:34 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted said:
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Bardy said: I had a San Pedro which I bought from a hardware store nursery that had next to zero mescaline and it never turned orange with marquis (scraped a bit of flesh and tested with a drop of marquis on a plate)
So do you think this is a soil composition issue? Like, if you did get one, and then you replanted it. Would it start developing a mescaline content?
Could have been a PC San Pedro. (Primary cultivar). Known for its low mescaline content and widespread cultivation.
I’m quite certain soil composition has nothing to do with mescaline content. If it’s not PC, then take into consideration natural variation. If it’s mescaline you want, Bridgesii is known to have consistently high actives among the Trichocereus cacti. Perhaps add some of those to your garden.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Soloist]
#28584338 - 12/15/23 06:49 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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My peyote is doing great actually. But it takes a long time to be able to use any of it. There still little babies.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28584665 - 12/15/23 11:06 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah, like Soloist said, mescaline content has nothing to do with the soil. Pretty sure it must have been one that was bred to have very low mescaline.
One time I tried cooking up a foot and evaporating the tea to make a resin and it had zero effect on me. Whereas I can use literally an inch or less of one of my other cacti and get strong stimulation and mood lift; 6 inches would be a trip.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Bardy]
#28584671 - 12/15/23 11:12 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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So rather than just getting a different type of cactus. Some devious jerk. Went out of their way to breed out the mescaline content. They’re basically selling you a fake product. Now it sounds like I would have to go there with the test material. And then take a piece of the cactus. To test it on the spot. If they ask what I’m doing. I would tell them i’m checking how healthy the plant is. If no color change happens. I would tell them that their cactus is crap so they need to get rid of it, and get a new one.
 I’m so glad I read this. I had almost gone to a nursery to see if I could find one.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 1
#28584689 - 12/15/23 11:23 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Sometimes nurseries do sell good ones though… it’s just luck of the draw a bit. And there’s no harm in having an inactive cactus.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Bardy]
#28584698 - 12/15/23 11:33 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Wish I could just grow it outside.
 I’m gonna breed these. Eventually I want to just plant these all over the place in Arizona. Bring them back to their natural environment. The powder is DE btw
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: golmo] 1
#28588182 - 12/18/23 10:38 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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Blessings family! Blessings all. A 120 ml dose gave way to mild oev, massive cev and deep, rich visions, enhanced the heavens out of the frequencies coming off my Beloved Laughter Psybient Playlist, and came with a very, very pleasant body load.
I think that you were spot on Golmo. 150ml to 200ml would have been sweet. Full disclosure; my peace pipe certainly hits different in the spirit world. And I did smoke approximately 3 bowls over the course of the ceremony, with the intent of potentiating the medicine.
Even at 120ml however, it was a breakthrough dose for me [being an old shaman].
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28588692 - 12/18/23 05:13 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I really appreciate all of your guys' feedback. I love you all. Blessings.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28588802 - 12/18/23 06:23 PM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I didn’t participate in this thread till now, but I feel your gratitude! Makes me wanna partake of the cactus soon, I love the heartfelt sense of community it always brings me
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: BelovedLaughter]
#28589347 - 12/19/23 05:06 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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The 120 ml you took is fine because its better to be safe than sorry. You still have plenty of ml left so dont worry. try next time ~170 ml
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: golmo]
#28589656 - 12/19/23 11:18 AM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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In retrospect I would now estimate that 1 fl. oz. of tea is equivalent to roughly 107mg of medicine / or 108mg / 30ml. My estimation is now that the fresh, raw material used for the brew was likely around 1.24% medicine per gm of material. 170ml should be right about 615mg.
That sounds perfect. 🙏
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Bardy]
#28591870 - 12/20/23 07:24 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Bardy said:
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Typerwritermonky said: Does anyone know of a good and easy way to test cactus material for mescaline content other than an actual extraction and subjective testing or a full xtal extraction and get the weight %?
I know that it’s possible to test for the existence of mescaline in cactus through the use of reagents. I’ve done it myself.
I had a San Pedro which I bought from a hardware store nursery that had next to zero mescaline and it never turned orange with marquis (scraped a bit of flesh and tested with a drop of marquis on a plate). I also had a San Pedro that had a good mescaline content which would turn bright orange when reacted with marquis. Also did this test with three other cacti and it seemed to work well.
I have no idea if this could give you any kind of indication as to the concentration though. Probably not…
I bet it’s possible that someone could develop a test similar to the psilocybin Qtest though.
Where can you get these tests? Ive got some bridgesii growing I would love to test.
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Re: dosing opinions please, first time cactus tea [Re: Rukus]
#28591924 - 12/20/23 08:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Marquis reagents come in pill testing kits. You’ll get a bunch of other reagents too
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