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Offlinewolf8312
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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy] * 3
    #28574914 - 12/08/23 08:07 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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Bardy said:
What is Ana?




Just means Analogue Ayahuasca in my case Syrian Rue or Ana-huasca. Saves me having to explain each time (except this time! :laugh:) that I am not actually using Ayahuasca! I'd prefer Rue-huasca to be more specific but that doesn't really have the same ring to it!

The (Syrian rue + a light bearing plant) concoction really does deserve the respect of having it's own specific name like Aya itself (and to expedite efficient communication) but so far I haven't come across one, or not one that is widely in use!

The purists tend to look down on Syrian Rue which is ludicrous as it's an incredibly powerful healing plant and teacher especially combined with an admixture!


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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #28575236 - 12/09/23 01:55 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Aw man, I’ve never tried oral DMT. I would like to one day. I’ve got a bunch of Syrian Rue… just need to buy some root bark


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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: Bardy] * 2
    #28575366 - 12/09/23 07:01 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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The purists tend to look down on Syrian Rue which is ludicrous as it's an incredibly powerful healing plant and teacher especially combined with an admixture!




Rue and extracts made from it are more sustainable anyway.

And the extracts are way easier on the stomach.

Why cut a vine down when rue offers us it's seeds so freely?


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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: tree frog] * 2
    #28575606 - 12/09/23 09:32 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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tree frog said:
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The purists tend to look down on Syrian Rue which is ludicrous as it's an incredibly powerful healing plant and teacher especially combined with an admixture!




Rue and extracts made from it are more sustainable anyway.

And the extracts are way easier on the stomach.

Why cut a vine down when rue offers us it's seeds so freely?





Caapi is also way more expensive and hit and miss/variable in its potency IME. PITA to prepare too! I would spend days making it and then it wouldn't really work or hit me like a ton of bricks cause I took too much! When I got a new batch I would play it safe (often wasting time and materials) but I never really had enough vine for more than a few experiences. With Rue one bag and you're set for years! 

Rue is much more reliable (you know what you're getting) though I do still prefer to take whole seeds (1.5 to 2 grams does me) for the full spectrum experience, or around twice that if using a simple water extraction.

I've never found rue to be that bad nausea (a bit rough but nothing like say HBWR) or discomfort wise.

For some reason I found that the mansake (or whatever it was called) extraction or bought-online extractions provided MAOI effects but also seemed to eliminate a lot of the rue's own unique effects.

Not sure if I just had bad extractions or others have experienced the same!

I got it in a dropper once and followed the instructions. Didn't really produce any psychoactive effects but it did work as an MAOI.

But maybe I didn't take enough, total rip off those companies.


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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: wolf8312] * 2
    #28575694 - 12/09/23 10:52 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

I never played around with the tincture extracts.  Just powders of harmine, harmaline, and thh that you can buy online presently.  Basically someone's doing manske extractions and selling them on their website.  Which cuts out a lot of headache for me because I'm not that great with chemistry.

I liked that I could dial in the ratios of each.  I liked harmine + thh for day trips and harmaline + thh for evenings.  Or combine all three if I wanted something closer full spectrum.  If I decide to do oral DMT again or introduce it to friends I'd go this route.

My first oral DMT experience was with ground rue seeds and I remember feeling like I had an iron ball rolling around in my guts.  Granted, a lot of emotional purging happened during that first experience.  So, I don't know how much was the rue and how much was me, but my experience with it didn't seem uncommon from what I had read.

And heard on vine being all over the place as far as potency.

I learned recently that a lot of psilocybin species have trace maois in the mycelium.  I doubt much will come of it but I really love growing sclerotia and plan to try to isolate this trait through cloning, fruiting, and going back to spores.  We'll see how it goes.

A current jar florescing under UV light.



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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: tree frog]
    #28576670 - 12/10/23 06:52 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Pure thh or tetrahydroharmine in caapi reverses tolerance to all psychedelics, I've used her hundreds of times over many years. You may give her a shot.

I don't smoke dmt but make my own Ayahuasca capsules that are as strong and long lasting as real traditional Ayahuasca brew from the jungle, typical dose these days is 150mg harmine, 90mg dmt freebase, 70mg THH. I mash the DMT into fresh aloe vera gel that I collect from a fresh leaf bought at walmart in the grocery section, more on this here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/fpart/all It hits as hard as HPBCD DMT or real psychotria leaf, always a +5 in strength, without the gel penetration polysacharide enhancers, the trips never make it over +3 in strength.  Pictures of capsules in link below.

There is no tolerance to the effects, you can use it as often as you like.

Here are some close up pics of the resulting very pure THH I've used for countless years: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Pure 300mg THH can be seen in weigher at upper top of photos.



Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:

Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/page/1

How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4



How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide (Greek Eleusis ancient LSD) at home from morning glory seeds (the priests used non poisonous claviceps paspali which grows on paspalum grass adjacent to Eleusis present day in the famous Rarian plane, same alkaloid profile as the sacred Mesoamerican morning glory):
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/page/2

Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105

LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28451382


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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: tregar]
    #28576894 - 12/10/23 11:26 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

Plok, just a suggestion, have your friend take around 70mg pure thh freebase along with a dose of LSD or mushrooms, and your friend should once again be able to trip just fine on LSD or mushrooms again.

All about THH: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

I've taken THH with LSD and mushrooms so many times I can't even remember, it really adds quite a bit of extra psychedelia to the experience, like adding a low dose of mescaline, and it reverses tolerance.


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Re: Permanent tolerance due to DMT usage [Re: tregar]
    #28576980 - 12/10/23 12:32 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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tregar said:
Plok, just a suggestion, have your friend take around 70mg pure thh freebase along with a dose of LSD or mushrooms, and your friend should once again be able to trip just fine on LSD or mushrooms again.

All about THH: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

I've taken THH with LSD and mushrooms so many times I can't even remember, it really adds quite a bit of extra psychedelia to the experience, like adding a low dose of mescaline, and it reverses tolerance.




This is dangerous tregar.  His 5ht2 receptors are damaged; tricking the brain into letting psychedelics work again and further frying damaged receptors is a dangerous and bad idea.


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