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Invisibleredgreenvines
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Making Sense
    #28576657 - 12/10/23 06:37 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

this is the best article I have read in 40 years

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/10/magazine/david-byrne-interview.html

David Byrne's statements could come out of my neck (except that I was never a musical star)

I made a pdf of the article for those of us who cannot access NYT

https://ibb.co/jZjYngZ


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Re: Making Sense [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28576725 - 12/10/23 08:22 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Talking heads will never stop making sense?


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Re: Making Sense [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28577262 - 12/10/23 03:38 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

Reflecting on the interview's insights into cultivating curiosity, I resonate with the notion that curiosity acts as a self-motivated force propelling continuous self-development. It's intriguing to consider that the continuous self can be sculpted by a willingness to venture into the unknown, exploring beyond familiar and secure boundaries

The observation that some find comfort in the familiar resonates with my exploration of adaptability, as I believe adaptability plays a pivotal role in influencing the continuity or discontinuity of the self. I think the recognition of the comfort derived from the familiar and the resistance to stepping outside that zone echoes a dynamic interplay of mind and environment.

I find a fascinating parallel in the discussion of the enchantment of the world, particularly in physics, biology, and ecology. I think it aligns well with the idea of an ongoing process of self-reflection and discovery. I think the sense of wonder in understanding the intricate network or web of connections in nature beautifully mirrors a broader recursive exploration.

The interconnectedness and relatedness of various elements in the world, as highlighted in the interview, align with an emphasis on environmental factors contributing to the ongoing adaptation and development of the self. I think this reinforces the idea that our continuous evolution is intricately tied to the environment and external interactions.

I think this narrative touches well on the dynamic interplay between internal cognitive processes and external interactions, emphasising the significance of curiosity, adaptability, and a sense of wonder in shaping our understanding of the world and the continuous evolution of ourselves.


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Re: Making Sense [Re: sudly]
    #28577300 - 12/10/23 04:00 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

you see a lot of self in an article about no self, hahaha!


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Re: Making Sense [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28577360 - 12/10/23 04:29 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

How does self reflection fit into all that? Just reflexive mental contents or?

Like I gotta have my persona yknow what I'm saying?

Whatever insights if any I might gather from reading it probably won't align with the guy next to me, but if that's all I got, that's all I got.

What did you gather from it?

For me it's just kinda emphasising a flexible persona.


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Re: Making Sense [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28577951 - 12/10/23 11:59 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
you see a lot of self in an article about no self, hahaha!




I view the self not as a separate entity or a dichotomy but as a dynamic integration of experiences.

A perspective which I think aligns with the exploration of the self as a perception itself, rather than a distinct entity that does the perceiving.

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One that might resonate with the Buddhist understanding of the illusion of a separate self as a fundamental obstacle to happiness and clear perception of reality.




In essence, it aligns with the idea that the self is not an independently existing essence but a dynamic and interdependent process.

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In a paradigm where the self is conceived not as a separate entity but as a dynamic and evolving process shaped by both genetic predispositions (nature) and environmental factors (nurture). The concept of free will becomes intricately connected to this dynamic self, departing from the traditional view of free will as a standalone capacity. The emphasis is on the continuous interplay between internal cognitive processes and external influences, reflecting a nuanced understanding of decision-making.

Free will, within this context, is portrayed not as an isolated capability but as a complex outcome derived from ongoing interactions. Decision-making is characterised as a collaborative and socially embedded process, highlighting the intertwining of individual agency with collective influences. The acknowledgment of social determinants in decision-making underscores the interdependence of the self on others, emphasising that our choices are significantly shaped by how we perceive ourselves and those around us.

In summary, the understanding presented here positions the self as a dynamic, evolving entity intricately woven into the entire being, influenced by both nature and nurture. Concurrently, free will is seen as a collaborative and socially embedded product, emerging from the intricate interplay between internal cognitive processes and external influences. This paradigm marks a departure from static notions, offering a more comprehensive perspective on the nature of the self and the complexities involved in decision-making.




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Re: Making Sense [Re: sudly]
    #28578058 - 12/11/23 04:45 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

ongoing exploration of the world (or "undefined") from the first intrauterine sensation to the last breath at death.

some of which is internal, and some of that is our reflexes.


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