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Are these magic please, please identify with thanks
    #28574900 - 12/08/23 07:58 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks [Re: Penguin24]
    #28574935 - 12/08/23 08:16 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

You should post this in the Mushroom Hunting and Identification forum. I'm getting Galerina marginata vibes from the ones that we can see the sides of. Get some photos of the underside and stems for your best shot at an ID. Galerina marginata can be deadly, by the way.


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: Penguin24]
    #28575007 - 12/08/23 09:19 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #28575193 - 12/09/23 12:04 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Galerina marginata, they are deadly poisonousπŸ’€


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #28575520 - 12/09/23 08:50 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

The big flatter ones in the middle right are likely good.  The smaller ones that are more domed shaped on the left with the brown rings on the stalks look like galernias.  Definitely not good.  This is why people get poisoned. 

Be sure to spore print, check for blue bruising.  Notice the 'nipple' in the middle of the cyanescens cap. Look very carefully along the edge of the cap.  You can see tiny nearly translucent lines on the cyanescens.  Never assume the best, always assume the worst. Optimism kills.

Great opportunity for you to learn the clear differences between the two types.  Never ID on one trait alone, you want to check multiple.  The way the stalks break, Doesn't get talked about much but cyanescens dry a different color and look different than galerinas.  For now check every mushroom thoroughly.  With more experience you'll be able to ID them with a glance without having to bend over to look.


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: therevverend] * 4
    #28575675 - 12/09/23 10:25 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Just saw your other post with this pic plus others.
All are Galerina marginata (deadly poisonous).


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: therevverend] * 3
    #28575847 - 12/09/23 01:22 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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The big flatter ones in the middle right are likely good.  The smaller ones that are more domed shaped on the left with the brown rings on the stalks look like galernias.  Definitely not good.  This is why people get poisoned. 

Be sure to spore print, check for blue bruising.  Notice the 'nipple' in the middle of the cyanescens cap. Look very carefully along the edge of the cap.  You can see tiny nearly translucent lines on the cyanescens.  Never assume the best, always assume the worst. Optimism kills.

Great opportunity for you to learn the clear differences between the two types.  Never ID on one trait alone, you want to check multiple.  The way the stalks break, Doesn't get talked about much but cyanescens dry a different color and look different than galerinas.  For now check every mushroom thoroughly.  With more experience you'll be able to ID them with a glance without having to bend over to look.





ABSOLUTELY NOT.

These are all deadly poisonous Galerina marginata.  They are VERY CLEARLY not cyans. 

You need to never give out IDs again, you could get someone killed.


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] * 2
    #28575898 - 12/09/23 02:09 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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All are Galerina marginata (deadly poisonous).




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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: therevverend] * 1
    #28576155 - 12/09/23 05:23 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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The big flatter ones in the middle right are likely good.  The smaller ones that are more domed shaped on the left with the brown rings on the stalks look like galernias.  Definitely not good.  This is why people get poisoned. 

Be sure to spore print, check for blue bruising.  Notice the 'nipple' in the middle of the cyanescens cap. Look very carefully along the edge of the cap.  You can see tiny nearly translucent lines on the cyanescens.  Never assume the best, always assume the worst. Optimism kills.

Great opportunity for you to learn the clear differences between the two types.  Never ID on one trait alone, you want to check multiple.  The way the stalks break, Doesn't get talked about much but cyanescens dry a different color and look different than galerinas.  For now check every mushroom thoroughly.  With more experience you'll be able to ID them with a glance without having to bend over to look.



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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: Land Trout]
    #28576181 - 12/09/23 05:43 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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ABSOLUTELY NOT.

These are all deadly poisonous Galerina marginata.  They are VERY CLEARLY not cyans.

You need to never give out IDs again, you could get someone killed.





This is why I instructed him to check every one of them carefully and individually.  How do you identify the ones on the right as not being cyanescens and being 100% Galerina marginata?  (The ones on the left are clearly identifiable as Galernia)


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: therevverend]
    #28576195 - 12/09/23 06:03 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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You quoted me but did you read what I wrote?  The only identifiable mushrooms are the ones on the left.  That are clearly Galerina.  The dried one on the top is also identifiable as a galernia.  The ones on the right look EXACTLY like cyanescens.  They have the button and little lines along the edge of the cap.  As I already wrote, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GET KILLED.

Galerinas and cyanescens are INDISTINGUISHABLE when photographed from the top.  NONE of you can ID the caps on the right as cyanescens or galerinas.  They are not all identifiable as galerinas.  You are lazy and teaching people to be lazy is how people get killed.

The ones on the right must be tested with multiple tests.  AS I ALREADY MENTIONED.  Spore prints, bruising, gelatinous pellicle, etc. etc.  You have the chance to teach someone how to properly ID mushrooms.  Instead you bitch at me for teaching someone how to stay alive? Lazy.


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: therevverend]
    #28576205 - 12/09/23 06:10 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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You quoted me but did you read what I wrote?  The only identifiable mushrooms are the ones on the left.  That are clearly Galerina.  The dried one on the top is also identifiable as a galernia.  The ones on the right look EXACTLY like cyanescens.  They have the button and little lines along the edge of the cap.  As I already wrote, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GET KILLED.

Galerinas and cyanescens are INDISTINGUISHABLE when photographed from the top.  NONE of you can ID the caps on the right as cyanescens or galerinas.  They are not all identifiable as galerinas.  You are lazy and teaching people to be lazy is how people get killed.

The ones on the right must be tested with multiple tests.  AS I ALREADY MENTIONED.  Spore prints, bruising, gelatinous pellicle, etc. etc.  You have the chance to teach someone how to properly ID mushrooms.  Instead you bitch at me for teaching someone how to stay alive? Lazy.




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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu] * 4
    #28576240 - 12/09/23 06:47 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

My 2cents -  I'd say it's the "likely good" stuck in the middle there that's the issue...

It's perfectly OK to explain how to identify something - what you want to look for, what you should smell, feel etc. as applicable,  but that one little statement could give a newb, who already picked a boatload of poison, a little boost to their over confidence.. not something you want.

My personal rules are that unless I am 100%, absolutely and totally sure of what something is and that there is 100% absolutely nothing that might be a look-alike that I might even remotely have mistaken something for I'm not going to tell anyone that something even might be OK to eat.. I'm more willing to ID to species when I'm pretty sure it's something that you'd rather not eat - because it's either icky or poisonous.. Much harder to do a serious wrong advising someone to avoid ingesting... the worst that might happen is the waste of a mushroom.

That looks like one big clump of mushrooms pulled out at once to me. If one of them is a Galerina it's pretty likely that all of them are Galerinas. They all look likely to kill you... which is most definitely not good.. I'd never tell anyone that one in the middle of that mess even might be OK.. to risky even if there is the remote chance they may have picked a mixed bag...  but that's just me..


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: Magic Badger]
    #28576299 - 12/09/23 07:41 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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That looks like one big clump of mushrooms pulled out at once to me. If one of them is a Galerina it's pretty likely that all of them are Galerinas. They all look likely to kill you... which is most definitely not good.. I'd never tell anyone that one in the middle of that mess even might be OK.. to risky even if there is the remote chance they may have picked a mixed bag...  but that's just me..





This is why as soon as I saw the OP's pic I jumped in here, contradicted the other posters, and started a beef.  This picture is from Paul Stamets' book 'Psilocybe Mushrooms of the World' published in 1996.  (Before it came out I'd have to sneak into the old library at the UW where they kept Professor Stuntzii's 'psychedelic mushroom flashcard' book under lock and key.  The only place you could find good color photos of all the local mushrooms.  Also the first time anyone outside of Astoria had heard of Azurescens.  Damnit Stamets look at what you started!)



The text is worth a read as well.  GALERINAS CAN GROW IN THE SAME CLUMP AS PSYCHEDELIC SPECIES.  If there were identifiable cyanescens on one side and the tops of galerinas on the inside you'd never know. 

This is why IDing cyanescens, baeocystis and stuntzii blue ringer mushrooms on the internet is dangerous.  As Stamets says if you were color blind you couldn't tell the difference.  cyanescens are a bad choice for a 'beginner' mushroom because they're so similar and the mycelium can spread through the mycelium of deadly types.  Liberty caps and cubensis are much more 'forgiving'.

I've only picked one galerina accidently in my life.  Years ago I was watching the news and they had a story about frat boys getting poisoned by mushrooms at a certain big park in Seattle.  I called up my buddy I picked with.

'Seen the news?'
'Yep.  Let's go tomorrow'.

Next day we drove out there.  The patch was in the open, no cover so they were the flat smaller kind of necens.  Sketchy spot next to a busy path with joggers, strollers, park personnel, etc.  So I was looking over my shoulder constantly, letting my fingers do the talking.  Speed picking.

When I got home and vetted through my mushrooms like I always do there was one galerina.  I'd seen them growing in the chips but thought the patch was clean.  It was a good lesson and it was obvious why the frat boys needed liver transplants.  Besides all the alcohol and STDs.

This is why you ID every single mushroom, especially if you're a beginner.  And never take the word of someone on the internet, you have to be 100% and know what to look for.  Instead of asking for just an ID you need to ask how to identify them yourself.  Or better yet find a partner who can show you how to identify them.


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Re: Are these magic please, please identify with thanks (moved) [Re: therevverend] * 1
    #28576317 - 12/09/23 07:59 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

You advised a person to eat something that can kill them very painfully.

You were horribly wrong and you should feel bad.


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    #28576362 - 12/09/23 08:30 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

OK... was trying to be nice but come on....

Do you haven any understanding at all that this NOT what came across in your post... telling someone that some mushroom in the middle of a bunch of poison that you cannot possibly hope to ID from the photo provided is "likely good", even if you go on to explain how to make the ID themselves. It's irresponsible, really, really irresponsible and you are just making it worse by trying to justify yourself.

If you really had the thought there might be a mixture and you told the OP to separate them all out and take more photos so that they could be individually confirmed to be Galerina, you wouldn't have started anything... but the advice you did give was just bad.


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    #28576386 - 12/09/23 08:30 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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