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Tripping Insight
    #2857473 - 07/05/04 01:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was just wondering how much everyone here thinks tripping gives them insight. How much of it is true, and how much could simply be considered "hallucinations"? Are we really all one, or is that just an illusion caused by the drugs? I'm not so sure about these kinds of insights, but I have noticed that tripping changes my general attitude towards life. After a strong trip, I tend to be a lot more relaxed and easy-going about life in general.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2857488 - 07/05/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Go to the Political Forum and check out the number of "hawks" there. Seems about average for the population. There seems to be no long-term effect of love, compassion and oneness.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: Swami]
    #2857516 - 07/05/04 01:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why does it have to be long-term for it to be insight?


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2857568 - 07/05/04 01:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Of what value is it if it is ephemeral and does not become part of you?

Must you relearn how to add or read every month or two?


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: Swami]
    #2857576 - 07/05/04 01:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

...or perphaps the insights you can learn while tripping are the particular resent of entering a higher state of consciousness, or it clears your mind, in a way that you can't see clearly when you are in your everyday waking reality


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2857580 - 07/05/04 01:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it has to be long-term for the insight to be considered benefictial. i mean if you learn all these things and never do a damn thing about it you really didn't learn shit. i think psychedelics open your mind to a whole diffrent level but you have to take it from there, and most people don't. wasted potential that further powers the war against drugs. the shroomery (closest you're gonna get to a psychedelic-utopiaian community) has tons of likeminded people but it still has all the problems that every other society faces.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2857594 - 07/05/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

In my opinion, whether or not you gain "mind expansion" or "insight" depends greatly on how you use psychedelics. For those who take psychedelics for recreational purposes; Music blasting, strobe lights on, etc., will get nothing from the experience but a good time. Although, those who go into the experience for spiritual and uplifting purpose get just that. I also think that the dose has a great deal to do with it. Many who think they have recieved the true psychedelic experience have not because their doses are low and there are distractions at every corner.
I suppose psychedelics are like many other things in life, you get what you put into it.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: tekramrepus]
    #2857595 - 07/05/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Practicality is what it is all about. If I discover the cure for AIDS (or think I do) and forget when I come down, what is the use? If I discover universal love, then beat my wife and yell at my co-workers the next day, where is the insight?


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2857596 - 07/05/04 02:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Did you design your new avatar?  :thumbup:


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2857699 - 07/05/04 02:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes I wonder about tripping insight and whether it is a correlation or causation for the tripper. I didn't trip until I was 18, and looking back on my adolescence, it seemed as though it was in my destiny. I read Castaneda's first four books when I was 13 and that really influenced my view of the world. I dug up some songs that I wrote in that period of my life...

Beyond all the you's and me's
Existing in lonely memories
Stumble me into everything blind
It's coming to me one of a kind

It doesn't really matter if it's real or not

Beyond all the you's and me's
Existing lost realities
Stumble me into everything blind
It's coming to me one at a time

It doesn't really matter if it's real or not

But in the town of black and white
there lived a man who caused a fright
Because he lived in a shade of grey
but he brought a better way
Showing all of the people
That there minds were feeble
Stumbling backwards from astray
Tumbling backwards to dismay

Could this be what I wanted
An energy spectre haunted
So help me fear undaunted
Eerilly spectre haunted

Gonna close my eyes as I walk through the door
And it seems to me that I've been here before
Then I trandescend into reality
Everything I know is coming back to me

Is this me no one wanted
An empty spectre haunted
A diseased fear undaunted
burning freeze spectre haunted

Gonna close my eyes as I walk through the door
And it seems to me that I've been here before
Then I trandescend into reality
Everything I know is coming back to me

There's more to this that what we see
If we can get beyond the you's and me's
And there's more to this than meets the eye
And all we are will just pass us by

Now I see what I wanted
Entity spectre haunted
So help me fear undaunted
Eerily specte haunted

Gonna close my eyes as I walk through the door
And it seems to me that I've been here before
Then I trandescend into reality
Everything I know is coming back to me



yeah, it seems like I was troubled about reality. When I turned 18, I got really interested in psychedelics and began hunting them down like they were the holy grail. I had prejudices that these drugs would make everything clear to me and that a lot of my troubles would be resolved. I've been pretty preoccupied with psychedelics for the last 2 years or so. In that period i've tripped 6 times and here's what I've come up with.

Obviously, I experienced some dissapointment. Mushrooms and lsd did not answer all of my questions. They are definately profound experiences, but I am willing to admit that they may just be chemicals and nothing entirely special. But, while they didn't answer all of my questions, they definately have helped me ask better questions...What am I? Where did I come from? What is consciousness? How can a mushroom shake my world so hard...etc...My working analogy is that a trip is like a workout...you benefit from recovering from the exercise.

Psychedelics have given my existence a new depth. I know that I am living better because of them. They really allowed me to see my actions more clear...but as far as your question goes

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How much of it is true, and how much could simply be considered "hallucinations"?




It doesn't really matter if it's real or not


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2857888 - 07/05/04 03:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Mushrooms offer no insight whatsover. It all depends on what insightful thoughts are already floating around in the person's head.

I know a countless number of people who gained nothing from mushrooms use.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: Swami]
    #2857918 - 07/05/04 04:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Of what value is it if it is ephemeral and does not become part of you?

Must you relearn how to add or read every month or two?





you know sometimes i feel that way... and it really sucks. At one time its always like "woah" then im like... "FUCK!!!! not again!!!!"""


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2858065 - 07/05/04 05:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It may all be hallucination....but that's the key to the insight they give you, they allow you to realize that all you percieve is a hallucination. That reality is relative to the way you perceive it. They're a teacher that guides and their teaching methods are highly unorthodox.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2858317 - 07/05/04 10:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think that your intial statement, that tripping gives insight, can be true. But it is not an absolute guarantee. Tripping can give you 'insight' in that it can stimluate thought associations, and ideas that you would not have concieved of in normal, day to day, waking conciousness. Is it guaranteed to give insight? most definitely not. But does it seem to have a propensity to stimulate 'insight' related thought patterns? It seems so. But for this discussion to be truly meaningful, I think we need a more concrete definition of insight, and I like the one offered by my dictionary ': immediate and clear understanding (as seeing the solution to a problem or the means to reaching a goal) that takes place without recourse to overt trial-and-error behavior.'

Swami's point that for insight to be valid, it needs to be associated with a change in practical behaviour, is a false dichotomy between insight and behaviour. A change in thought patterns may lead to nothing more than a change in thought patterns, whether or not it leads to a corresponding change in behaviour related to those thought patterns is not a necessary characteristic for something to be a valid insight. I could, for example, gain insight into better ways of managing my money, but it does not guarantee, that i will not spend frivolously in the future.

To speak of my own situation, I know that in the cognitively dissociated stated offered by LSD trips, I have gained 'insight' into so many problems of my life and my subconcious mind, that have corespondingly improved my quality of life (as measured by my general level of contentment and happiness) remarkably. Some of those 'insights' brought benefits in their own right, others brought benefits that showed me more skillful ways of dealing with situations in my life. All in all, when I finally finish the years of studying ahead of me, I hope to conduct research and lobby the necessary bodies, ultimately leading to the implementation of psychedelics as recognized and legitimate tools of psychiatry (I know its a dream, but something I feel to be deeply worthwhile, and you would be very surprised of the number of individuals in current academic circles who have used these substances)

Sincerely,

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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2858352 - 07/05/04 11:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

insight is the ramifications of new connections or correspondences.
a sustained insight is one which engages well with ongoing change.
the kind of insight that ensues from bare attention gives deep resonance and stays fresh.

while tripping you can taste the flavour of this but it is usually not sustainable.

no action need follow such insight, it is a way of seeing - if you can move and keep seeing that is bonus.

then there are the kinds of insight like Michael Moore is providing us; practical insight, not related to personal spiritual quests but very practical and meaningfull to the order of life on this planet.

these insights come from research and usually start with suffering and confusion and a clear sense of right and wrong. no psychedellic is involved in that.


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: Swami]
    #2858429 - 07/05/04 11:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Of what value is it if it is ephemeral and does not become part of you?

Must you relearn how to add or read every month or two?



I try to hold on to my insights, but I find I usually need at least one annual "checkup."


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2858437 - 07/05/04 12:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is funny.
the answer is YES
you do have to relearn, and re-evaluate your premises fairly frequently since things are constantly changing.
you can use some FAITH to avoid questioning certain things for a period of time, but really everything is subject to change.

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silversoul7 said:
Quote:

Swami said:
Of what value is it if it is ephemeral and does not become part of you?

Must you relearn how to add or read every month or two?



I try to hold on to my insights, but I find I usually need at least one annual "checkup."




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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: Swami]
    #2858467 - 07/05/04 12:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Did you design your new avatar?  :thumbup:



Indeed


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: silversoul7]
    #2858830 - 07/05/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

On what drugs?  :syringe:  :cool:


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Re: Tripping Insight [Re: jono]
    #2858874 - 07/05/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Swami's point that for insight to be valid, it needs to be associated with a change in practical behaviour, is a false dichotomy between insight and behaviour.

I was playing some poker the other day. Another player called me at the end of the hand saying, "I know you have a flush!" while he only had a straight. If he "knew" (had insight) then he would not have called, would he?

I consider insight to be deep and penetrating, not mere surface knowledge such as "If I smoke cigarettes, I am damaging my body." If one had insight, these would not simply be words, but true understanding of the physical cost. This understanding would automatically entail a behavorial change else it is not insight.

Have you ever crossed a busy street and walked into the path of a vehicle that you saw coming? The "seeing" and the behavior are intertwined.


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