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Free will is an illusion 2
#28574595 - 12/08/23 03:40 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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A group of neurons influences a neuron, and based on equilibrium it either fires or doesn't. That neuron has zero free will. It is the same with organelles of the brain, with people interacting and all life of earth.
The universe does its thing and we are the passenger, the witness, the student. It IS a ride that serves to let information flow into you, and out of you.
The Universe, your Subconscious, is driving your body through your life and you are the kid on the back seat looking around in wonder asking "are we there yet?"
Thing is kid: when you're there you encompass the totality of everything, All Is You, you quantum tunnel to your next Big Bang and you blast into all of us again, trying to shove ourselves back together, cosmic love.
You just realized you will experience every possible thing in every possible way forever. That's a biggie. Celebrate, think about it, and help those around you feel better, or just, help them with whatever vexes them at the time.
Desu.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Asante] 1
#28574682 - 12/08/23 04:54 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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I do hope you never stop taking mushrooms
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Asante
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I havent taken them for 5 years, but this autumn i harvested 1.5 gr dried wavy caps that i intend to deploy this year as a series of mini trips 
haven't taken my dissociative in almost 3 weeks either and i got me a kilo of that one.
This is me, sober.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Asante]
#28574749 - 12/08/23 05:56 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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100% agree with the first three paragraphs but I’m unsure what the last two mean ✌️
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Bardy]
#28574783 - 12/08/23 06:29 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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we are, you are, the universe reassembling itself.
Pre-big bang we were One, all was One, all information was a whole. The Big Bang scattered Me into Us, a whole lot of Me's interacting.
We will all merge into One again, forever and ever.
Upon realizing this you gained a bit of wholeness not found in most around you.
So, help them with theirs, in the knowledge they are you.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Asante]
#28574810 - 12/08/23 06:51 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Christmas time deserves a little free will debunking.
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If i'm gonna do it its going to be memantine, dissociatives fit the holiday better.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Asante]
#28575072 - 12/08/23 10:00 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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You forgot to talk about the bubbles?
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: sudly]
#28576416 - 12/09/23 09:35 PM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Freewill exists, but doesn't work yet.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: sudly]
#28576609 - 12/10/23 05:17 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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sudly said: You forgot to talk about the bubbles?
Champagne?
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Bardy]
#28576640 - 12/10/23 06:06 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Something along these lines,
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: sudly] 1
#28576668 - 12/10/23 06:50 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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hopefully you can read this https://ibb.co/jZjYngZ
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there’s a growing sense that lots of different things in the world are related to one another and connected in ways that we are still discovering. It’s not quite religious, but it is amazing.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Asante]
#28576683 - 12/10/23 07:27 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Asante said: I havent taken them for 5 years, but this autumn i harvested 1.5 gr dried wavy caps that i intend to deploy this year as a series of mini trips 
haven't taken my dissociative in almost 3 weeks either and i got me a kilo of that one.
This is me, sober.
What disassociate do you take?
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: loladoreen]
#28576801 - 12/10/23 09:41 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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I take memantine. It has a radically different structure than most dissociatives and also, a radically different effect on me.
a quick informational i made:
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: Asante]
#28576803 - 12/10/23 09:42 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: loladoreen]
#28576886 - 12/10/23 11:18 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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I think this all sounds like a fancy way of saying "I have no say over myself, my decisions, my life, or anything else" which leads to a diminished sense of accomplishment for anything good they do and no sense of accountability for things they shouldn't have done.
I know someone who will do and say some really rude and destructive things, then say things like "I literally had no other choice" but someone else could easily see they had a lot of better options
I prefer to give myself credit for both "good" and "bad" things I do and don't blame the neurons in my brain for being retarded We are not dust in the wind...
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Quote:
TheStallionMang said:
I prefer to give myself credit for both "good" and "bad" things I do and don't blame the neurons in my brain for being retarded
"Experts" claim 16% of school children enrolled in Grades 1 to 5 "have" ADHD. Parents and teachers feel very relieved to understand the mysterious cause of their disruptive behavior. Meanwhile . . . these "hyperactive" kids who "can't focus" are glued and transfixed by electronics - every day by 3 to 5 hours of screentime.
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Quote:
TheStallionMang said: I think this all sounds like a fancy way of saying "I have no say over myself, my decisions, my life, or anything else" which leads to a diminished sense of accomplishment for anything good they do and no sense of accountability for things they shouldn't have done.
I know someone who will do and say some really rude and destructive things, then say things like "I literally had no other choice" but someone else could easily see they had a lot of better options
I prefer to give myself credit for both "good" and "bad" things I do and don't blame the neurons in my brain for being retarded We are not dust in the wind...
this is possible for people steeped in the ignorance that we try to dispell. ignorant people latch onto the most accessible part of concept and never actually gain any benefit, due to mistaking the facts for something else.
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Quote:
TheStallionMang said: I think this all sounds like a fancy way of saying "I have no say over myself, my decisions, my life, or anything else" which leads to a diminished sense of accomplishment for anything good they do and no sense of accountability for things they shouldn't have done.
I know someone who will do and say some really rude and destructive things, then say things like "I literally had no other choice" but someone else could easily see they had a lot of better options
I prefer to give myself credit for both "good" and "bad" things I do and don't blame the neurons in my brain for being retarded We are not dust in the wind...
I doubt you'd call your views and understandings static and unchanging. Live and learn yknow.
Taking personal responsibility and being accountable to yourself is not something every one honestly practices.
We're a nebula of interstellar dust, and if you know how planets are formed, that's important.
My 2c.
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Re: Free will is an illusion [Re: sudly]
#28577102 - 12/10/23 01:59 PM (1 month, 17 days ago) |
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but even stars and planets change, mature, transform. will is not only an illusion, it simply is not a real thing in any system except as an extension of a centralized authority, and that is as arbitrary, capricious and mechanistic as the rest, while the servile underlings perform the will of the overlords in a chain of command.
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