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Offlinejake_jd_denton
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Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata...
    #28574420 - 12/08/23 01:33 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Hey all, was doing some hunting in the PNW after the recent warm storm, and I came across another fellow claiming he had found Semilanceata (Liberty Caps). This was in a park where I find Cyans. I'm not an expert, but I happened to glimpse at what he had and came back later and grabbed a few. I'm skeptical that this is what it actually was, as I wasn't sure if liberty caps grow in the same environment as Cyans. 

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Your typical woodchipped garden



Some Cyans I found




Wasn't sure if this was a Cyan due to stem length, but transplanted it



Mushrooms in question








I plan on tossing these out regardless, so I'm not putting a great amount of detail into this, I apologize about quality, wife makes me do this stuff in garage. I do have a spore print going. Ultimately, I don't think this individual was picking liberty caps, but they did have some Cyans on them, so not sure what to think. Thanks for the input in advance.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: jake_jd_denton]
    #28574433 - 12/08/23 01:45 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Psathyrella sp for the ones in question.  The old Psilocybes could be ovoids.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Nitro87]
    #28574480 - 12/08/23 02:22 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

do all Galerina's have a veil? Trying to study differences here, I've never found wild active cyans but they are definitly lbm lol


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Gorguss]
    #28574549 - 12/08/23 03:02 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

I think you nailed it. I’m pretty sure he was hunting galerina semilanceata thinking it was liberty caps. That’s not what’s in my post, but after looking up the images, that’s what this guy had in his hands as well…that’s poisonous right?


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: jake_jd_denton]
    #28574556 - 12/08/23 03:08 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

I am not an identifier. I would make sure to wait until someone qualified answers you. I would not consume anything until further verification is done.

Even though I've been hunting for years I still have a strong sense of due diligence. I've suffered enough liver damage from other poor choices, the agony it would be is too real for me to bear.

Hopefully you get a confirmation on the Psil. Cyans and you can take some culture or print.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Gorguss]
    #28574566 - 12/08/23 03:16 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

I’m 100% percent on the cyans as I’ve found them plenty over the  years, bruised instantly, etc. What worried me is this other kid at the park thought he was picking liberty caps…I don’t think he was . Hopefully he’s ok.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: jake_jd_denton] * 1
    #28574629 - 12/08/23 04:14 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

The cyans are cyans, those small ones with long stems too.
As for the "liberty caps", they're psathyrellas. I'm sure the kid is OK, probably a bit disappointed, though 😆


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28575212 - 12/09/23 12:37 AM (1 month, 19 days ago)

That is very good news, the thought someone out there consuming none identified lbm is terrifying


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Gorguss] * 1
    #28575833 - 12/09/23 01:15 PM (1 month, 18 days ago)

It's a very common occurrence that I run into people with misidentified mushrooms in their baskets.  More than once they have screamed at me for pointing it out.  At this point I just don't say anything.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28576588 - 12/10/23 04:12 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
It's a very common occurrence that I run into people with misidentified mushrooms in their baskets.  More than once they have screamed at me for pointing it out.  At this point I just don't say anything.




I never had this happen to me except once when a guy came over to me at a bar and said
there were shitloads of "shrooms" growing in the next door park, and that he was trippin' balls.

The "shrooms" were foes, of course. :tongue:

That being said, such over-confidence is possibly a side effect of all the various half studied
online "communities" (reddit, facebook etc.) and bad id's made from AI apps and whatnot.

There's no such thing as an "ID 1-2-3". No quick fix. AI is probably good at maths, but not distinction.
"Google lens" is to mushroom identification what Hostess Twinkies is to food.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Anglerfish]
    #28576757 - 12/10/23 09:09 AM (1 month, 18 days ago)

Oh I don't mean actives, I mean edibles.  People seem to get very angry about mushrooms around here :shrug:


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28576906 - 12/10/23 11:34 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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Oh I don't mean actives, I mean edibles.  People seem to get very angry about mushrooms around here :shrug:




I'm not sure I've ever run into anyone else picking (edibles that is)... I did just this year see a load of dumped Sulius right by a trail that I was picking matsi on... Not sure what they thought they had (porcini maybe?), but they must have changed their mind. At least most of the mistakes people make with edible mushrooms in this area won't kill them, other than the rare schmo who picks an Amanita smithiana, just give them some regrets that will likely put them off picking ever again.

I do see people trying to use AI to ID stuff they've found in their yards on places like Nextdoor - it's really crap at mushrooms... tends to not even get the genus right, much less the species.


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Disclaimer - I'm just a hobbyist and cannot absolutely guarantee any ID offered. I'm most familiar with the species found in the Pacific Northwest - those found in other parts of the world may vary considerably, so always do your own research to find out what grows in your area and what lookalikes you need to be aware of. Understand that many mushroom species cannot be 100% reliably identified by photographs alone, even by an expert, so it may not be possible to go beyond suggesting a probable genus.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Magic Badger]
    #28576923 - 12/10/23 11:51 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

I like the common denominator undertone of this has become Identify your mushrooms


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28576941 - 12/10/23 12:09 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
Oh I don't mean actives, I mean edibles.  People seem to get very angry about mushrooms around here :shrug:




Ah, okay. I assumed actives due to the thread topic. Well, I can see there are certain people
being over-confident regarding their own identification skills, and likewise their lack of such
skills might make them resort to anger instead of curiosity about what they really got and how
to tell them apart from what they ultimately were looking for.

At least that's the natural thing for me to think, if somebody points out my mistakes I usually want to learn more.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Gorguss] * 1
    #28576950 - 12/10/23 12:13 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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Gorguss said:
I like the common denominator undertone of this has become Identify your mushrooms




Hell yes... a mistake **can** kill you... 

BTW - I don't think anyone ever answered you about do all Galerina have a veil. No they don't. Galerina marginata do - but even then it doesn't always leave a noticeable ring - if they are old it can have completely worn away. 

We've several species of larger Galerina out here that don't have a ring, mamaillata, stylifera/sideroides - I do not know if they are deadly... but I'm not going to be the one to test it out.. There are tons of tiny "moss bells" out here too - tiny Galerinas that don't have veils/rings that look like gold mycena. I don't think they are considered to be poisonous or at least "unknown" - but again... not going to test that out, they are Galerinas.

Pholiotina rugosa out here too - another deadly ringed LBM that could possibly be mistakenly picked as a Psilocybe.

Always a good idea to know well not only what you want to pick, but also what you really, really don't want to pick..


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Disclaimer - I'm just a hobbyist and cannot absolutely guarantee any ID offered. I'm most familiar with the species found in the Pacific Northwest - those found in other parts of the world may vary considerably, so always do your own research to find out what grows in your area and what lookalikes you need to be aware of. Understand that many mushroom species cannot be 100% reliably identified by photographs alone, even by an expert, so it may not be possible to go beyond suggesting a probable genus.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Magic Badger]
    #28580576 - 12/12/23 09:37 PM (1 month, 15 days ago)

As above.

Here is an example, you can see that on some of them the annulus is quite clear, on others it is much less so.



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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Mycoangulo]
    #28580720 - 12/13/23 02:24 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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you can see that on some of them the annulus is quite clear, on others it is much less so.





Yeah, typically the ring is ephemeral. Very often I only see very faint traces of it.
There are several other tell tale signs of G. marginata.


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Re: Wondering around the park to find some Wavy Caps. Ran into another person claiming they had found Semilanceata... [Re: Mycoangulo]
    #28580760 - 12/13/23 04:31 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

Man.. it never ceases to shock me how similar these guys can look to Psilocybe sp.

This photo is a great illustration of that


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