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#28572581 - 12/07/23 09:12 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Let's say that the Colorado Supreme Court decides that Trump is ineligible to be on the 2024 ballot.
Trump will appeal this decision to the SCOTUS.
What if the SCOTUS refuses to take up the case, allowing the lower court decision to stand, but not deciding for the nation? This would force each state to take Trump to court slowing down their ability to prevent his destruction of our nation.
Do you think the SCOTUS would do this or not?
Will they take this up and kick him off nationally or slow-roll this and let each individual state decide?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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I'm guessing SCOTUS would overturn that, somehow.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28572717 - 12/07/23 11:39 AM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Oh, they could, but they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did.
Trump as dictator will have no use for a SCOTUS. Dictators don't need courts.
For them to allow him to be on a national ticket would be their death sentence.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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It would be shooting SCOTUS in the foot, sure. But the members of the court that voted in favor of trump would land themselves in his good graces, and would likely end up with a cushy position in the dictatorship.
Or, more likely, they would keep their positions in name as part of Trump's personal kangaroo court. The liberals would, of course, be removed.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420] 1
#28572839 - 12/07/23 12:59 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Jailbird420 said: Oh, they could, but they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did.
Trump as dictator will have no use for a SCOTUS. Dictators don't need courts.
For them to allow him to be on a national ticket would be their death sentence.
How do you figure? The ballot isn't to decide who will be dictator. How does him being elected threaten the SCOTUS at all?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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Trump already said the Constitution should be dissolved and that he would be a dictator on day one so ...
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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Who cares what he says? Are you one of those people who believes that whatever Trump says it gospel?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil] 2
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I've found that Trump is remarkably honest in his intentions when he describes specific actions. To a very literal degree.
His success, or lack thereof, is a different question.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 2
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When people tell you something horrible about themselves, you should just believe them.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
#28573156 - 12/07/23 05:25 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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When a presidential candidate makes claims like the ones he's made, I pay attention.
He doesn't give a shit about our Constitution or way of governing.
His words and actions prove this.
His goal is to tear it all down and appoint himself a dictator for life.
He's the snake in that cute little poem he likes to read from time to time.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420] 1
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si=AIpVpgGRhtpnP1L5 A video about the oral arguments made in his supreme court case in Colorado. It's funny because in his defamation case he tried to say that being a federal officer protected him from prosecution, but now hes saying he technically isn't a federal officer.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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I watched some of that today.
My original question stands ... Will the SCOTUS take it up or not?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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Jailbird420 said: When a presidential candidate makes claims like the ones he's made, I pay attention.
He doesn't give a shit about our Constitution or way of governing.
His words and actions prove this.
His goal is to tear it all down and appoint himself a dictator for life.
He's the snake in that cute little poem he likes to read from time to time.
I never believe candidate promises.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420] 1
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Jailbird420 said: Trump already said the Constitution should be dissolved and that he would be a dictator on day one so ...
What? When did he say this? Source please.....
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: thetruthsohelp] 1
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His interview with Hannity from like three days ago.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420] 1
#28573377 - 12/07/23 07:51 PM (1 month, 20 days ago) |
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Jailbird420 said: Trump already said the Constitution should be dissolved and that he would be a dictator on day one so ...
I just saw the video, not only is that not what he said but what he did say was obviously tounge in cheek. CNN zombies rarely get Trumps humor though, which is a shame because it is his most redeeming quality.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: thetruthsohelp] 1
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Jailbird420 said: Trump already said the Constitution should be dissolved and that he would be a dictator on day one so ...
I just saw the video, not only is that not what he said but what he did say was obviously tounge in cheek. CNN zombies rarely get Trumps humor though, which is a shame because it is his most redeeming quality.
Yeah, people keep saying things like this. "Oh, he's obviously joking, he won't do that" and then...he does that. I remember when the Jan 6th assault on the capitol was all supposedly just a joke that would never actually happen. Overturning Roe V Wade was all a joke that would never happen.
That's kind of how fascism works. It's like Shroedinger's asshole. It's all a joke...until it isn't. And then it's too late.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
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Jailbird420 said: Trump already said the Constitution should be dissolved and that he would be a dictator on day one so ...
I just saw the video, not only is that not what he said but what he did say was obviously tounge in cheek. CNN zombies rarely get Trumps humor though, which is a shame because it is his most redeeming quality.
Yeah, people keep saying things like this. "Oh, he's obviously joking, he won't do that" and then...he does that. I remember when the Jan 6th assault on the capitol was all supposedly just a joke that would never actually happen. Overturning Roe V Wade was all a joke that would never happen.
That's kind of how fascism works. It's like Shroedinger's asshole. It's all a joke...until it isn't. And then it's too late.
Fascism lol, I bet you don't even know the meaning of the word. Trump is living rent free in your head. Trump literally told everyone to protest peacefully on Jan 6th, and Roe v Wade was unconsitituational, so the supreme court ruled correctly - it should be up to the states. Leftards are baffled either by evasion of reality or just by Trump triggering you all with his off the cuff humor.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: thetruthsohelp] 1
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Actually he told people to fight. And fight they did.
He also told them to prepare to fight before that, and everybody said the same thing as you did: It's all just one of his jokes, all that off the cuff humor.
Fact is, Trump is too stupid to joke. Trump says exactly what he intends to do, and then he tries to do it. Once in a while, he succeeds. Trump intends to invoke the Insurrection Act on the first day of his presidency, and use the military to suppress anyone that he perceives as one of his opponents. That is exactly what he will do.
The only one with Trump Derangement Syndrome here is you. And the rest of your MAGA kind. Because you are, quite literally, deranged, if you believe that Trump cares about you or the country, or anything but himself, for that matter.
Fascism is when corporations ally with the state in an effort to turn state violence against the workers. We haven't quite gotten to the open violence yet.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
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Thetruthsohelp You need to change your name to Hidethetruthsohelp or quit drinking the koolaid. Everybody that pays any attention has eyes and can see in real time what is happening and what led up to it. But you are right, trump threw in the joke about being hard on the border the and an emigration ban as a joke to cloth his first day dictator comment in deniability for guys like you to spread and confuse so his code to all the Q people could be hid for the few stupid straits that are still under the spell. My favorite was the little gathering that had a bunch of his supporter holding there hands up to him like they do during church services. There are some out there that nobody or no action could dissuade them from their devotion cause they can not question their god. I still remember the gold statue. Just for you. https://blogs.hope.edu/getting-race-right/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2021/03/Trump-golden-statue-man-bows-down.jpg
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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All these "truth speakers" seem to only know how to parrot double speak/new speak.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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Are these cases to keep Trump off the ballot just about the primaries?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones]
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It's about preventing his ability to run for any political office, not just the primaries.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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This guy says it pretty well ...
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
#28575186 - 12/08/23 11:50 PM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Who cares what he says? Are you one of those people who believes that whatever Trump says it gospel?
I keep hearing this dictatorship comment. No need for a link but just where he said it. Im guessing I can find it. Did he say it once, twice?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Actually he told people to fight. And fight they did.
He also told them to prepare to fight before that, and everybody said the same thing as you did: It's all just one of his jokes, all that off the cuff humor.
Fact is, Trump is too stupid to joke. Trump says exactly what he intends to do, and then he tries to do it. Once in a while, he succeeds. Trump intends to invoke the Insurrection Act on the first day of his presidency, and use the military to suppress anyone that he perceives as one of his opponents. That is exactly what he will do.
The only one with Trump Derangement Syndrome here is you. And the rest of your MAGA kind. Because you are, quite literally, deranged, if you believe that Trump cares about you or the country, or anything but himself, for that matter.
Fascism is when corporations ally with the state in an effort to turn state violence against the workers. We haven't quite gotten to the open violence yet.
You go pretty hard on Trump. You also go hard on Isreal. What, if any do you think a correlation between isreal and Trump?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Yeatster] 2
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Enlil said: Who cares what he says? Are you one of those people who believes that whatever Trump says it gospel?
I keep hearing this dictatorship comment. No need for a link but just where he said it. Im guessing I can find it. Did he say it once, twice?
Sean Hannity interview/"Town Hall" from like, a week ago? He was being set up to say "I won't be a dictator" and he instead said "I will be a dictator right away, but only on the first day". Which is bullshit. Very few dictators voluntarily give up dictatorial powers.
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Kryptos said: Actually he told people to fight. And fight they did.
He also told them to prepare to fight before that, and everybody said the same thing as you did: It's all just one of his jokes, all that off the cuff humor.
Fact is, Trump is too stupid to joke. Trump says exactly what he intends to do, and then he tries to do it. Once in a while, he succeeds. Trump intends to invoke the Insurrection Act on the first day of his presidency, and use the military to suppress anyone that he perceives as one of his opponents. That is exactly what he will do.
The only one with Trump Derangement Syndrome here is you. And the rest of your MAGA kind. Because you are, quite literally, deranged, if you believe that Trump cares about you or the country, or anything but himself, for that matter.
Fascism is when corporations ally with the state in an effort to turn state violence against the workers. We haven't quite gotten to the open violence yet.
You go pretty hard on Trump. You also go hard on Isreal. What, if any do you think a correlation between isreal and Trump?
I don't think there is a correlation between Israel and Trump, apart from both Israel and Trump being supported by the GOP.
I don't like Israel because they are a theocratic regime that is participating in a policy of apartheid and barely even covered up indiscriminate slaughter of Palestine. Every single individual piece of that statement is fucked up. The theocracy, the apartheid, the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, all of it. Israel the political entity is a blight upon the world, just like every other theocratic apartheid regime.
I don't like trump because he's an obvious conman who has absolutely zero interests outside of his own ego. He is willing to go to any lengths for self-aggrandizement, and he does not care about anything that does not directly benefit himself. Unfortunately, this affects me. Because anyone who wants to fuck with other people needs to whisper sweet nothing's into Trump's ear, and he will do whatever they want.
Trump is also the only president who has managed to personally fuck up my life to a degree, when he cut EPA research funding on his first day in office. Unfortunately, the EPA was funding my graduate degree at the time. Which means that I spent a whole lot of money using a whole lot of extremely fancy equipment, and then the check from the government that was supposed to cover those costs bounced. Because of an executive order by Trump.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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I can not look into peoples heads and know what they know or don't know. I can recognize trends that show up though. It seems like every single person that is predisposed to liking trump when confronted with his actions start out by asking where did he do that. Then when told, they come back and say that is being taken out of context. The problem with this is I have a hard time believing they didn't know the action before asking their question and the question was just an avenue to put up a defense for trump. Just like already while jan six was going on, first response was it was antifa/black lives matter that did it even though the people storming the capitol wore auschwitz shirts and carried trump flags and when that was questioned it becomes a fbi operation. It doesn't matter that all those they want to blame would have not reason to try and keep trump, it just can't be his supporters fault. It takes quite a bit of inherent dishonesty to be able to convince ones self to really start believing such dribble.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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Jailbird420 said: It's about preventing his ability to run for any political office, not just the primaries.
If he can't be eligible for president in one state (let's assume ONLY in Colorado), wouldn't that preclude him from presidency of the country? Can't be president of 49 states.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Tulipslave] 2
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If he could get the electoral votes without Colorado then he'd still be in.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: If he could get the electoral votes without Colorado then he'd still be in.
I was hoping that wouldn't be the case, but so it goes.
Colorado would just be barring him the ballot, not actually from holding office/representing them. Much clearer.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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If Colorado ended up, after all appeals. being successful in keeping trump off, it will end up being nation wide. More then one state is doing stuff based on the same constitution and when the conflict between them comes, it will get decided one way or the other. But, he is not off the ballot even in Colorado yet. The 14th will or will not have meaning in the end.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Tulipslave]
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Yeah, it would have to be a state like Florida or Texas that was going to go to Trump and has enough clout to force a guaranteed loss
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Tulipslave]
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State court wouldn't have that power. But hypothetically, you can bet Trump would have a grudge against Colorado. "They have the worst ski slopes".
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones]
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww] 1
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gww said: If Colorado ended up, after all appeals. being successful in keeping trump off, it will end up being nation wide. More then one state is doing stuff based on the same constitution and when the conflict between them comes, it will get decided one way or the other. But, he is not off the ballot even in Colorado yet. The 14th will or will not have meaning in the end.
I think there's a very real chance that the the SCOTUS will find it to be a political question and therefore outside of its power to decide.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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This is the perfect opportunity for Colorado and other states to disqualify Trump from their ballots. This is the true test for our democracy. I don't know if the Supreme Court will take this up or leave it to the states.
Regarding talking with Trump supporters and trying to convince them to critically think: it's hard. They're in a cult that prioritizes feelings over logic. I just stick to very easy topics they have no chance of acting stupid on, such as January 6.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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gww said: If Colorado ended up, after all appeals. being successful in keeping trump off, it will end up being nation wide. More then one state is doing stuff based on the same constitution and when the conflict between them comes, it will get decided one way or the other. But, he is not off the ballot even in Colorado yet. The 14th will or will not have meaning in the end.
I think there's a very real chance that the the SCOTUS will find it to be a political question and therefore outside of its power to decide.
Time will tell. I could see them not taking a case and letting a ruling stand but if two states decide differently on something that applies to both, somebody is going to set the stage with some legal action that puts the supreme court in a position to either leave it alone and free for anything to happen or settle it so it means something and my opinion is they will not give it up to forever not having a say. You may be right though and time will tell.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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Well, Colorado dropped the hammer on Trump.
The question remains; Will the SCOTUS take up the case or leave it up to each state?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28590287 - 12/19/23 06:35 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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The states run the elections so I can only imagine that it will be left up to the states
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah, I'm guessing SCOTUS will still weigh in. They know who pays their bills, if the recent report about Clarence Thomas loudly complaining about debt back in 2000 within earshot of GOP senators leading to huge, uh, 'investments' has any merit.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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I bet they weigh in as well, but I also bet they decide they can't do much about it. However, this will rally the maga douches even harder.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
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Maybe, but the constitution besides having what states do, also might need all parts of it to be recognized by all states to have the same meaning. All those states rights supporters were more then happy to sue over what a different state did when trying to over turn the election and I doubt those same state right loving states let this slip by either. Pretty sure their true beliefs, not stated ones, will show through again.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
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Isn't voting for a president a federal issue or am I missing something? I get the States rights thing; just trying to see the other side.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
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He won't be allowed on the ballot for the primary in the state. The controversial part is whether he's eligible to be president since they have decided that he violated the insurrection clause. Pedal to the metal on the constitution, that's for sure. We could see a president that isn't recognized by a state.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: christopera] 1
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They'll have to recognize him if he wins but they don't have to put him on the ballot on a given state
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
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The ruling read;
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A majority of the court holds that Trump is disqualified from holding the office of president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment
https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-14th-amendment-2024-colorado-d16dd8f354eeaf450558378c65fd79a2
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: christopera]
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I understand but the state only has authority over the election process I'm that state, not the eventual outcome should be win without any votes there.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I am
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
#28590400 - 12/19/23 07:46 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Couldn't voters in appropriate states "write in" Trumps name.
-but- They (like CO)don't have to put him on the ballot, do they have to count this type of vote?
United States of America, right?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
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That's a good question. They probably would have to count write in votes.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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It is addressed and they are not to count write in because he is disqualified to be president just like if he was not 35 years old. It is on hold for now though as they put a stay on their ruling till other things happen. In the united states of america, nobody questions not counting a vote for a 35 year old even if others support him/her.
I am pretty sure that trump will get Clarence Thomas's wife's vote even if it can not be counted.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww] 1
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What is clear, is that it is not crystal clear.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said: Couldn't voters in appropriate states "write in" Trumps name.
-but- They (like CO)don't have to put him on the ballot, do they have to count this type of vote?
United States of America, right?
No. It would be akin to voting for Mickey Mouse.
If Trump is disqualified in Colorado no amount of write-ins will get him elected, they would be throwing away their vote.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28590488 - 12/19/23 08:38 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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On the ballot or not, a vote for Trump in Colorado is a vote thrown away.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28590490 - 12/19/23 08:41 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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All the supreme court has to do right now is drag their feet past jan 5 and trump will stay on the primary ballot. If I have it right.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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You have it backward.
They stayed their judgment till Jan 4th to give the SCOTUS a chance to make their call.
If the SCOTUS drags its feet, Trump will not be added to the Colorado ballot.
The Colorado SCOTUS already deemed him ineligible, the U.S. SCOTUS will have to overrule them ... otherwise, their ruling will stand.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28590539 - 12/19/23 09:21 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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It's extremely unlikely that the SCOTUS will allow this to stand, much more likely that they'll rule that it doesn't apply in this case.
The amendment in question was created to specifically target people who joined the south during the civil war. Anyone on the court who takes into account how the law was intended at the time (which is how several of the justices tend to analyze things currently) is probably going to say that it wasn't intended to be applied like this, but was instead intended to specifically apply to people involved in the civil war.
The amendment itself is vague and broad, it's unlikely the justices will come down with such a sweeping ruling as to bar a presidential candidate from consideration when there hasn't been any prior precedent of using the amendment in this way. Even after the civil war, this amendment was seldom used even by people who did fight for the south. It has basically never been applied to anyone in modern times, and even during the civil war era applied to almost no one. That's a large historical precedent that the supreme court is unlike to overturn, especially given the circumstances.
Frankly, despite Trump, it's probably overall for the best that this particular part of the amendment isn't more broadly applied. It is so vague that technically you might say that just about anything disqualifies someone. I'd rather run the risk of Trump than to be constantly preventing people from running at all.
Also, at a technical level, the amendment actually only mentions members of congress, senate, the military, and state government who have betrayed the nation. It actually doesn't say that it applies to presidents who have betrayed the nation. This might seem nitpicky, but this is law we're talking about.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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Jailbird420 said: You have it backward.
They stayed their judgment till Jan 4th to give the SCOTUS a chance to make their call.
If the SCOTUS drags its feet, Trump will not be added to the Colorado ballot.
The Colorado SCOTUS already deemed him ineligible, the U.S. SCOTUS will have to overrule them ... otherwise, their ruling will stand.
My understanding is all trump has to do is appeal and it is permanently stayed even if the supreme court has taken no action, he will be on the primary ballot. Trump could appeal it on jan 3.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww] 1
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If the Supreme Court declines to review the case, that is the end and the Colorado court decision is final.
Generally, the Supreme Court does not review facts found at trial, only if those facts apply to the law. If the court declines to review, then a court has found trump engaged in an insurrection.
Lots of people blaming democrats for this case, when it was brought by republicans and it concerns the republican primary ballot.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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Nope.
Trump can file all the appeals he wants, and it won't do any good.
Trump is not eligible to be on the ballot in Colorado per their SCOTUS ... PERIOD
Only the U.S. SCOTUS overturning the Colorado SCOTUS can put him back on the ballot.
This puts a fire under the U.S. SCOTUS to get off their ass and make a ruling otherwise ... its curtains for Trump in Colorado.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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Perhaps I have missed something this appears to only affect the primaries? Or the general election as well?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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This is just one quote from a The Hill article.
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The court put its ruling on hold until Jan. 4, so Trump can first seek review from the Supreme Court. If he does, Trump’s name automatically remains on the ballot until the justices resolve the appeal
But there are others. We could read the entire decision but then again, nah, just wait as see will be easier for me personally.
The stay is for the primary ballot issue, if successful, the ruling will auto effect the general and not just the primary.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Perhaps I have missed something this appears to only affect the primaries? Or the general election as well?
Both.
He is not able to run as an elected official anywhere in Colorado ...unless the U.S. SCOTUS overturns the Colorado ruling.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28591022 - 12/20/23 08:46 AM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Jailbird420 said: Nope.
Trump can file all the appeals he wants, and it won't do any good.
Trump is not eligible to be on the ballot in Colorado per their SCOTUS ... PERIOD
Only the U.S. SCOTUS overturning the Colorado SCOTUS can put him back on the ballot.
This puts a fire under the U.S. SCOTUS to get off their ass and make a ruling otherwise ... its curtains for Trump in Colorado.
I don't know where you got your law degree, but you seem to not have read the opinion of the Colorado Supreme Court. It clearly says:
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Therefore, to maintain the status quo pending any review by the U.S. Supreme Court, we stay our ruling until January 4, 2024 (the day before the Secretary's deadline to certify the content of the presidential primary ballot). If review is sought in the Supreme Court before the stay expires on January 4, 2024, then the stay shall remain in place, and the Secretary will continue to be required to include President Trump's name on the 2024 presidential primary ballot, until the receipt of any order or mandate from the Supreme Court.
(emphasis mine)
In other words, if he appeals it to the Supremes on January 3, he's on the ballot on January 5th.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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The only important thing here is the precedent. Trump isn’t winning Colorado whether he’s on the ballot or not, but will SCOTUS let this fly so they (conservatives) can keep [Democrat candidate] off the ballot in Georgia or Texas in the future? Hard to say.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
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If the SCOTUS doesn't review it, it really only affects Colorado. Only if the SCOTUS upholds or overturns it does it have any precedential effect. Even then, it depends on how broad the SCOTUS rules on it. It is certainly possible to rule on this one without leaving much precedent, if any.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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Didn't SCOTUS recently rule on a case and simultaneously argue that their ruling should not be considered precedent?
I could see them going that way to keep trump on the ballot, while still allowing states to kick Biden off.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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They could literally just sit on the case until after the election, and Trump would be on the ballot
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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Then Jan 6th they'll hand down a ruling allowing other states to kick Biden off the ballot.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
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Of which year? If you're talking about 2024, that ruling would allow trump to be kicked off of ballots. I don't see any viable option for kicking Biden off in 2024. Was there an insurrection that I missed wherein senile old men stormed the capitol?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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To some, trump is america and it is insurrection to say otherwise. Didn't you know he is secretly running the country? I have seen this point made on you tube videos covering trump rallies you know. Who needs a little bitty ole constitution anyway.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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That's all irrelevant here, though. The 14th amendment doesn't say anything about disqualification being based on any subjective rhetoric that you or anyone else happens to spew.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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Irrelevant here as far as scotus and their court ruling? Yes. But my last comments are still pretty funny to me? Yes. Off topic? Depends.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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I think the lower court ruling was pretty clear and dumbasses were like omg. Then it just got ass slammed by the circuit court if this wasn't over a president I doubt the Supreme Court would even give it the time of day.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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,,,,,,having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
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If the US SC reverses the Colorado SC decision I expect protesting.
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The oath of office is to uphold the duties of the office and a big part of that is the upholding and abiding by the constitution. It says right in the law an officer of the United States, the president is simply a civilian holding the highest ranking office in government, comander in chief in supreme command. It's been that way since George Washington for God sakes 
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Of which year? If you're talking about 2024, that ruling would allow trump to be kicked off of ballots. I don't see any viable option for kicking Biden off in 2024. Was there an insurrection that I missed wherein senile old men stormed the capitol?
Legally, they might not. But I'm sure the current SCOTUS could find a way to torture the constitution into upholding red states kicking Biden off the ballot.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
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I do find it interesting that in much of the reporting, the part of the 14th amendment where it says congress can remove such a disability with a two thirds vote of each house seems to be glossed over or even left out of the discussions. Sometimes when it would counter some stuff being used one way or the other in positions people take.
I also think that getting a constitutional amendment is harder to do then passing a referendum in a state and that fact alone makes it very hard for people to just say it is not fair or not what I want or is what I want and so means nothing. It will mean what the courts decide it means but was put there with a lot of effort to mean something.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: The oath of office is to uphold the duties of the office and a big part of that is the upholding and abiding by the constitution. It says right in the law an officer of the United States, the president is simply a civilian holding the highest ranking office in government, comander in chief in supreme command. It's been that way since George Washington for God sakes 
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The U.S. Supreme Court wrote in Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731 (1982): “Article II, § 1, of the Constitution provides that "[t]he executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States. . . ." This grant of authority establishes the President as the chief constitutional officer of the Executive Branch, entrusted with supervisory and policy responsibilities of utmost discretion and sensitivity. (457 U.S. 749-750
Maybe it was poorly worded, but it was a question because that is what his lawyers cotend. I am not a lawyer, hence the question.
As much as I want him out, this is shitty application (for whatever reason) of an Amendment made specifically during Reconstruction.
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The Colorado Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal on a lawsuit filed by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) watchdog group and Republican figures, who argue that Trump's actions on January 6, 2021, violated Section Three of the 14th Amendment and therefore he should be prohibited from running for the White House again.
The section states a person who "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after taking an oath of office to support the Constitution should be barred from running for office again. In a previous ruling, lower court judge Sarah B. Wallace said that Trump had "engaged in insurrection" on January 6, the day of the Capitol riot, but should remain on Colorado's primary ballot as the wording of the 14th Amendment does not specifically mention preventing people from running for the presidency.
In their appeal against the Colorado lawsuit, Trump's lawyers reiterated that the wording of Section Three does not apply to people running for president and that Trump technically did not swear an oath to "support" the Constitution. Instead, during his January 2017 inauguration, Trump swore to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution during his role as president.
"The framers excluded the office of President from Section Three purposefully," Trump's legal team wrote. "Section Three does not apply, because the presidency is not an office 'under the United States,' the president is not an 'officer of the United States,' and President Trump did not take an oath 'to support the Constitution of the United States.'"
Donald Trump taking presidential oath Donald Trump being sworn into office on January 20, 2017, in Washington, D.C. Trump's lawyers argue that he never swore to "support" the Constitution.
Newsweek reached out to Trump's legal team via email for comment.
The argument that Trump did not support the Constitution in his oath has been criticized on social media.
"Wow in a legal proceeding Trump is now arguing he didn't violate the 14th Amendment by inciting the Jan 6 insurrection because he 'never took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States.' This treacherous criminal is head of the Republican Party," Democratic New Jersey Congressman Bill Pascrell posted on X, formerly Twitter.
Tristan Snell, a lawyer and former assistant attorney general for New York state, wrote: "Donald Trump is arguing the president is not an 'officer of the United States' — and so he can't be disqualified from office under the 14th Amendment for his involvement in the January 6 insurrection. Yes, you read that correctly. This is how bad his legal arguments are."
Former federal and state prosecutor Eric Lisann posted: "Crazy as it sounds Trump made that exact same argument to the Colorado trial judge and somehow it is the only argument the judge agreed with him on."
Donald Trump says court clerk "allowed herself" to be exposed to abuse Marjorie Taylor Greene's book is a flop Trump, the front-runner in the GOP presidential primary, has denied all wrongdoing in connection to the January 6 attack and has described attempts to prevent him from running for office again by citing the 14th Amendment as a "trick" to prevent him winning the 2024 election.
Geoffrey Blue, a Colorado-based attorney for Trump, previously used the same argument as to why the 14th Amendment cannot be cited to stop Trump from the presidency again in an October 9 filing to try to have the lawsuit thrown out.
"Because the framers chose to define the group of people subject to Section Three by an oath to 'support' the Constitution of the United States, and not by an oath to 'preserve, protect and defend' the Constitution, the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment never intended for it to apply to the President," Blue wrote.
"If they wanted to include the President in the reach of Section Three, they could have done so by expanding the language of which type of oath would bring an 'officer under the strictures of Section Three. They did not do so, and no number of semantic arguments will change this simple fact. As such, Section Three does not apply to President Trump."
Oral arguments are scheduled to begin on December 6 after the Colorado Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal on Wallace's decision that Trump can remain on the ballot in the Centennial State.
In their appeal against the Colorado lawsuit, Trump's lawyers reiterated that the wording of Section Three does not apply to people running for president and that Trump technically did not swear an oath to "support" the Constitution. Inste...
POV me preserving and protecting constitution but technically not swearing an oath to follow it AND THEN USING THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO DEFEND MYSELF AFTER CLAIMING 2016 ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED AND GOT CONVICTED FOR IT
Trump has said he wants to "terminate the Constitution of the United States". His crime family lawyers tell us Trump never took an oath to "support the Constitution of the United States".
You would think the MAGAs who support him and claim to be patriots would finally have an epiphany ? Trump only cares about Trump. Taking the Republican party down
The saddest part of this episode is who are these lawyers that dreamed up this defense: a candidate for the office of our President need not swore to defending our Constitution, or follow our Constitution.
Okay. Let’s have it Attorney Blue’s way: The 14th Amendment Framers set out to make darn sure the US President was the only person on the Federal or a State Government purse who could get or keep their job if they engaged in insurrection
Given all that has occurred, been said, and supported, by Trump...why would we want another four years of this chaos, self-aggrandizement, and focus on being sure he is immune from prosecution by virtue of a second term. He has made clear...
As an independent unbiased non-American observer, it is sad to see that the longest running modern day democracy, it being the most powerful notwithstanding, has degenerated to a farce!!
This farcical situation CANNOT happen WITHOUT the act...
"support" the Constitution. Instead, during his January 2017 inauguration, Trump swore to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution during his role as president.
".... Trump technically did not swear an oath to "support" the Constitution. Instead, during his January 2017 inauguration, Trump swore to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution during his role as president."
Talking about splitting hairs over a word- Apparently Trump and his attorneys have never picked up a dictionary either- Definition of 'Support'- to defend, be on the side of, stand behind, stand up for, etc. Whether he swore and oath to '...
Trump lawyers: "Section Three does not apply, because the presidency is not an office 'under the United States,' the president is not an 'officer of the United States,' and President Trump did not take an oath 'to support the Constitution ...
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Right and anyone with a brain could tell that argument is completely bullshit. I mean you just glanced over the whole "faithfully execute the office of President" part. Fuck me what does preserve protect and defend the constitution mean? Does it mean do insurrection stuff to prevent the peaceful democratic transfer of power guaranteed by the constitution? The president is literally the chief executive officer of the country its all insane. Like I said the lower court ruling basically states he's flat out guilty of the crime and then set it up on a tee for the appeal to get crushed which is exactly what happened
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Well, if it's anything like the oath cops take, it ain't worth shit.
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I find it amazing that a past president has to swear he never took an oath to support the constitution after being said president. Has had to argue presidential immunity in ten different ways cause if you look, they almost all come down to that and it has lost most of the time so far (if you take turning over his taxes taking two years a loss and such). Beyond personal belief that he is the dumbest president that has ever held the office and I doubt he can get enough votes to win against a turnip though he will come close, I doubt this case is decided on oath of office or if it is an office. I am not calling a win for Colorado just yet but doubt the oath reason will go his way. I will decide in my own mind if any common sense was used in the decision after we get one for the little that will matter to what happens.
I will say this though, I have been to court a few times and my lawyer and I did not always think each others points were the important ones to make but my lawyer did most of the talking and I did most of the scribbling of notes and I won and so court is not like talking to my neighbor.
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Lt. Gov of Texas threatened to take Biden off the ballot earlier today, apparently.
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Mitch used power he did have to steal a justice appointment. Abbot did a blockade that cost his state billions. Comer has to get on the news and say they have no link to joe biden yet but they are impeaching. That is the nature of the beast. If one side does something, that may not be the cause of the other side doing the same. They may have tried that anyway. Question is, are they any good at it?
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First, it wasn't crushed it was 4-3.( )What is right, wrong, and just can be differnt things ( ). I don't pretend to be infallible, in fact, given that we are in legal uncharted waters, it is a question to ponder. Look at half the posts here, its people trying to figure this situation out. ( )
So your willing to take that bet?
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https://www.reuters.com/legal/colorado-supreme-court-disqualifies-trump-holding-office-filing-2023-12-19/
The historic 4-3 ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court, likely to be taken up by the U.S. Supreme Court, makes Trump the first presidential candidate deemed ineligible for the White House under a rarely used constitutional provision that bars officials who have engaged in "insurrection or rebellion" from holding office.
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The 3 who dissented didn't do it because they think Trump didn't incite the insurrection... they did it because he hasn't been convicted of a crime for it:
"In the absence of an insurrection-related conviction, I would hold that a request to disqualify a candidate under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment is not a proper cause of action under Colorado’s election code. Therefore, I would dismiss the claim at issue here,” he wrote."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/colorado-supreme-court-kicks-trump-states-2024-ballot-violating-us-con-rcna130484
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Of course that sets up an impossible situation for the 14th to have any real meaning cause it takes 2 years to get an consensual divorce finalized much less a trial for insurrection where there is a lot of money and a goal to delay. There are more then one way to make any possible meaning not really a real life effective one.
This sorta brings us to the 2/3rd vote of each congress portion which ironically in effect is the same standard for impeachment. The argument has also been that congress has made not rules around it and so nothing. Again, It is set up for congress to have the final say if enough disagree with anything the court does.
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I like to think the USA is smart enough to expedite a case in which a president incited an insurrection to stop the peaceful transfer of power, and they're running for office again after claiming they want to be a dictator, but what do I know?
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So you think the Justices are okay with Trump becoming dictator and having more power than them?
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yes. trump and the conservative majority agree. what could go wrong
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Most of them, probably, yes. The dissenters wouldn't care for it, maybe, but dictators have the ability to hand out serious perks.
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Trump got three....thats alot of a one term prez. Let's begin to shudder if he has a chance at that number again.
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I really do think the justus's will not say it is political and cut them selves out forever but may do something that leaves them plenty of latitude to do something else when needed. No ideal what.
I say this, trump will throw anyone under the bus and they can not buy good will from him that last.
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Most of them don't really need goodwill from trump. They just need to keep their jobs, even in a ceremonial role, and have Harlan crow keep the payments flowing.
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gww said: I really do think the justus's will not say it is political and cut them selves out forever but may do something that leaves them plenty of latitude to do something else when needed. No ideal what.
I say this, trump will throw anyone under the bus and they can not buy good will from him that last.
I think this case will be heard in time for states to make decisions about their own ballots. If the court upholds this decision, that’s it, Trump is finished.
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So you think the Justices are okay with Trump becoming dictator and having more power than them?
The court has consistently ruled against Trump in other election cases. Not saying they will do so here, but they don’t seem interested in playing favorites.
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Scotus is in for life who cares if trump doesn’t like them?
They in already
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Might be different under a dictator. They will not be important if they got three more from a dictator and life term only means something as long as the constitution means something.
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This Colorado case has gotten maga into a frenzy like I’ve never seen before. They are losing their shit.
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How do you mean? I heard one of the judges or whatever in Colorado has gotten 64 death threats and like 500 threats since the announcement.
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That's a horrible deepfake.
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And here I thought he nailed it.
The fake was when they were spreading all over the internet that paul polosies attacker was his gay lover.
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How do you mean? I heard one of the judges or whatever in Colorado has gotten 64 death threats and like 500 threats since the announcement.
Welp I'm sure most of those people won't be voting while they're in jail and whatever
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Right wingers don't go to jail for death threats, only lefties do.
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I say this, trump will throw anyone under the bus and they can not buy good will from him that last.
I think this case will be heard in time for states to make decisions about their own ballots. If the court upholds this decision, that’s it, Trump is finished.
I like the precedent, even if others don't, some for completely partisan reasons and others for reasonable reasons, perhaps.
But doesn't it only become significant if swing states kick him off the ballot? Otherwise this could potentially help Trump as much as hurt him.
Still waiting for the plethora of Trump cases to have a cumulative effect, but IDK. The criminal cases have all these precedent issues, etc., etc. Given the weird peculiar capitalist history of our country, maybe the best bet is for the couple of civil cases to ruin him like Guliani. Make him more bankrupt than his fundraising capabilities.
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Maybe, but the US has to try. If they don't even try then they basically are bending over to authoritarianism.
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I don't think money is an issue for Trump because Putin will gladly pay him whatever he needs to stay afloat. Trump winning the 2024 presidency is probably the single most important thing Putin has going for him right now.
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Influencing the outcome of a US election with our current politics only requires swaying the minds of 1-2% of voters. The DNC hacks were a big deal. It’s something that obsessed posters in this forum the last few months of the election in 2016. I think it’s highly likely that the release of those emails convinced enough democratic voters to sit out the election, and that is all that was that was needed to elect Trump. You didn’t even have to convince anyone to change their vote to Trump, you just had to demoralize or disgust 2 out of 100 democratic voters to say “fuck it.” It’s really the perfect way to influence the electorate, because you don’t have to convince non voters to go and vote, you just have to discourage voters from voting.
Does anyone here really believe the release of those emails didn’t discourage some democrats from voting in 2016? 2 out of every 100 democratic voters is not a huge stretch of the imagination, especially in 2016 when a lot of those same democrats laughed at the idea that trump could really win. Why hold your nose and vote for Clinton when all the polls showed Clinton winning anyways. It was a perfect storm.
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I often thought that too, but Trump will always be able to get money (or the appearance of such)....look at homeboys business career, filled with that stuff.
He also has an uncanny ability for people to pony up money despite having 90+ criminal charges, the bombastic untruthful rethotic, etc. People that genuinely hate him, support him. People that half hate him, support him, the MAGA crowd, well.. .its a cult of personality that US politics have never seen.
I would hope he gets the nod and is soundly defeated in a presidential election. It's would be the best thing for our country as I think the damage he has done hasn't come to full fruition or been truely realized yet. Once those reverberations surface it will be felt for awhile.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
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The problem is it will not be a blow out but my bet is he loses. The question is, does he keep winning after losing cause it was close. Be nice if a real message could be sent. Still, he has to be beat close or not.
I personally believe if he was knocked off the ballot by the government, It may make more then a majority mad for a while but Nixon had just won by a big margin and over all, it would show that no matter what, you can not do some things. After the fall out, I think long term it would send the right message and if I were wrong then can always try and get a 2/3rd majority and try and change the constitution. At least then they would go over the abyss with a majority that would meet out current constitution.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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Looking more likely Michigan will try what Colorado did: "Trump was recorded pressuring two Michigan GOP canvassers not to certify 2020 election results"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-recorded-pressuring-two-michigan-gop-canvassers-not-certify-rcna130902
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Putin is too weak to conquer the poorest country in Europe, and powerful enough to decide elections in the United States.
Different kinds of power but yeah, Putin can only influence these things so much. He doesn't have a magical lever that fixes the vote or something.
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koods said: Influencing the outcome of a US election with our current politics only requires swaying the minds of 1-2% of voters. The DNC hacks were a big deal. It’s something that obsessed posters in this forum the last few months of the election in 2016. I think it’s highly likely that the release of those emails convinced enough democratic voters to sit out the election, and that is all that was that was needed to elect Trump. You didn’t even have to convince anyone to change their vote to Trump, you just had to demoralize or disgust 2 out of 100 democratic voters to say “fuck it.” It’s really the perfect way to influence the electorate, because you don’t have to convince non voters to go and vote, you just have to discourage voters from voting.
Does anyone here really believe the release of those emails didn’t discourage some democrats from voting in 2016? 2 out of every 100 democratic voters is not a huge stretch of the imagination, especially in 2016 when a lot of those same democrats laughed at the idea that trump could really win. Why hold your nose and vote for Clinton when all the polls showed Clinton winning anyways. It was a perfect storm.
I get the sentiment, and given the very thin margins of recent presidential elections it’s likely a given that outside influences can sway elections.
But the idea that Putin can make 2.5M people change their votes is just incredibly convenient messaging coming from the same people that lied us into every conflict since WW2. And it (also conveniently) shifts blame away from the Democrats nominating the least likable candidate in modern history and on to an Official Enemy for amplifying their flaws.
I think what I find most irritating about all this discourse is that normally when I suggest to a liberal that Democrats do something bold to enact the will of their voters, I’m met with the supposed pragmatism of “well they can’t do that because then when Republicans get into power again they’ll abuse it or take it even further.” Meanwhile these dipshits spent 4 hours laying the foundation for election denial on the right because they were too embarrassed to accept that the person they kneecapped Bernie Sanders for (who had ZERO flaws exploitable by foreign enemies) lost the easiest election in a century to a caricature of a caricature of an idiot.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#28596081 - 12/24/23 05:33 AM (1 month, 3 days ago) |
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Ramaswami says he'll withdraw from Colorado primary in solidarity with Trump. Probably because Vivek would come in 4th or 5th, not 2nd or 3rd.
How do the GOP Presidential also rans really feal about this? They can't say it, YET. But other than a possible VP nod, Trump's elimination is the only chance they have.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones] 2
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I think DeSantis is the only one wiley enough to figure that out so far. But it's a careful knife edge of not making the trump supporters feel like the traitorous dumbasses they are while also dumping trump.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said: Ramaswami says he'll withdraw from Colorado primary in solidarity with Trump. Probably because Vivek would come in 4th or 5th, not 2nd or 3rd.
How do the GOP Presidential also rans really feal about this? They can't say it, YET. But other than a possible VP nod, Trump's elimination is the only chance they have.
Trump won't be eliminated.
If he is, then it's a free win for Biden - they won't even have to cheat. Atleast, not that much.
It's interesting though watching the Democraps desperately try to remove the ability of people to vote for him. Hilarious, even. I guess incarcerating him wasn't enough to guarantee a Biden win, and they know it.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: chopstick] 5
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Republicans sued to get Trump off the ballot.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
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And they did it because his actions were undemocratic.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
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And a former Republican lawmaker in the state lead the way.
That meme is great because it’s making fun of Chop and he didn’t even know it.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Republicans sued to get Trump off the ballot.
It's good to see Republican anti-Trumpism. If it was completely partisan the shitshow would go on and on.
Also keeping an eye on Nicky Haley momentum.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones]
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Feelings don't care about facts. The average Republican voter doesn't care that Republicans filed the lawsuit, it's against trump so it's the democratic party/deeps state/RINOs.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
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Which is why it does not make since to support trump. In the end you will end up as a rino if one thing goes wrong. Look at McCarthy or Ryan or all the others who have been turned on and are now rinos.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww] 1
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That's a tomorrow problem for the fascist. Today they will be kings, and today will never end.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: chopstick] 1
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chopstick said: Trump won't be eliminated.
If he is, then it's a free win for Biden - they won't even have to cheat. At least, not that much.
Trying to claim the Democrats want Trump off the ticket is funny.
Every other candidate beats Biden in a head-to-head.
Trump is the ONLY one Biden can beat.
Why would the Democrats want him off the ballot?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
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I wouldn't call it funny I would call it offensive in the malicious sense. Like I think I said in this thread or others all we have to do is be true to what we said on paper. It's real simple.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28601401 - 12/28/23 07:00 PM (30 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Lol. You must be joking.
If Trump is kicked off the ballot and the candidate ends up being someone super uninspiring like that Neocon bitch Nikki Haley or Desantis, then it's an automatic loss because millions of Trumpers are either gonna stay home on election day or they're gonna write in Trump out of spite.
So in this scenario it would be like a 50/50 split between Trump write-ins and votes for the piece of shit that takes his spot.
That's an automatic Biden win.
Hence why the Dems would love to get him off the ballot. A lot of people are only voting Republican because of Trump.
The Democrats truly have no shame.
Common sense, dude. Try using it.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: chopstick] 1
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Ur bullshits not landing anywhere in the reality of America choppy
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Even if its on the back of lame duck biden the strongest champion of NATO that we needed in just the right moment the only one sadly with the chops and backbone to stand up to Russia *fart noise* and savior of the balkins.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said: millions of Trumpers are either gonna stay home on election day or they're gonna write in Trump out of spite.

good.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: mushboy]
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Sadly these idiots seem rather fired up by bullshitism but also sadly it is the most important thing to point that out and then work on education or something
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You'd be in the crowd in the Colosseum belligerently egging on some lions against some lowly criminal armed with a short sword.
The same thing today, just with direct violence removed from sight, but that is slowly going away here with the internet.
It's really astonishing. Look at that guy's teeth. Hur hur hur. My brother and I when we were young would have laughed at him just for looking that way.
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Most people would though. People love a good Colosseum.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Blue_Lux said: You'd be in the crowd in the Colosseum belligerently egging on some lions against some lowly criminal armed with a short sword.
The same thing today, just with direct violence removed from sight, but that is slowly going away here with the internet.
It's really astonishing. Look at that guy's teeth. Hur hur hur. My brother and I when we were young would have laughed at him just for looking that way.
Life was alot cheaper and more hardcore back then there's no telling who I might of been back then through the modern lense
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28601606 - 12/28/23 09:49 PM (29 days, 23 hours ago) |
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And then there is Maine... Trump was removed from the ballot there according to information published today.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Nillion]
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Maine has the best hash in the north east they're not stupid up there.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
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No legal mind here, but if it does come down to the Supreme Court, I predict the conservative majority (except probably Uncle Clarence) will not let Trump off the hook. They are under too much reputational pressure.
Abortion was one thing, because that's always been a conservative cause and Roe V Wade was a legal stretch. But they're not going to give 65% of the country and most of the historians the best evidence that the Court is just political. Roberts wants to do the right thing and Alito, Gorsuch, Cavanaugh, and Barrett (at least enough of them for a majority) are not going to give up a legacy as reasoned jurists for nutjob Trump.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#28601899 - 12/29/23 07:23 AM (29 days, 13 hours ago) |
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I have thought of that, as well but am leaning to the greenlight. Majority opinion will be something like "the Supreme Court will not let (x number) of minority states determine who citizens can vote for in a federal presidential election"type thing.
I think the Supreme Court has always been political, the extent is where the debate begins...but when the SC can regulate Congress and the President, but it also can decide who sits there to begin with like Bush v Gore.
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America is a patched tire at this point. Just waiting to blow out and maybe fly off down the road, maybe hit a few cars, then burn out in a ditch. I'm pessimistic. I think there is a new era of totalitarianism headed our way, and a threat of a civil war honestly.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Blue_Lux]
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civil war over what?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: mushboy]
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You know, I'm paranoid and catastrophizing, Mushboy
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 2
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Trump talks exactly like an experienced mob boss, because that is essentially what he is. He'll say some of the "right" things in the middle of his propaganda speeches, but when you spend months cultivating lies about the legitimacy of the election (which started long before the election even occurred), tell people their country is being stolen from them, have beautiful things to say about your political competitors (like merry Xmas!, ROT IN HELL"), you (and he) know what the result is going to be when you send them to the capitol. Indeed, he was so upset about the violence he did nothing about it for hours, despite begged to take action.
All he needed to say was "go take care of that thing...you know...but, uhhh, peacefully...yeah, that's the ticket." Lol
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Quote:
Blue_Lux said: America is a patched tire at this point. Just waiting to blow out and maybe fly off down the road, maybe hit a few cars, then burn out in a ditch. I'm pessimistic. I think there is a new era of totalitarianism headed our way, and a threat of a civil war honestly.
Worse than a patched tire. It's a plane that is on fire and slowly getting ready to crash into the ground and explode.
When empires as big as ours collapse, things get really fucking ugly and stupidly ridiculous.
What will happen exactly is unpredictable, but it's a sure thing there will be major upheaval and change that will come about as a result of this collapse. These events will be extremely dramatic by our standards. People are complacent because something like this hasn't happened in a few centuries.
But now, it's time for it to happen again.
Right now we're fighting over who has the controls as the burning plane descends. In the end the only difference it can make is that one person might at-least be able to stabilize the descent and make it easier for everyone to get through it. While someone else, might just make it worse and increase the chaos.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: chopstick] 2
#28602731 - 12/29/23 08:44 PM (29 days, 19 minutes ago) |
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Nah, we good for awhile.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28602751 - 12/29/23 09:42 PM (28 days, 23 hours ago) |
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Chop got hyperbole like no other.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: mushboy]
#28602772 - 12/29/23 10:26 PM (28 days, 22 hours ago) |
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People been doomsdaying forever but that shit really hit politics as a talking point since the advent of Fox News and Glen Beck type media.
"This next election determines the existence of our Republic".....same tagline over and over since the 90s.....its gonna be 2024, dude.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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