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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: koods] * 1
    #28592752 - 12/21/23 01:26 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Scotus is in for life who cares if trump doesn’t like them?

They in already
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: mushboy] * 3
    #28592893 - 12/21/23 03:20 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Might be different under a dictator.  They will not be important if they got three more from a dictator and life term only means something as long as the constitution means something.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww] * 1
    #28592937 - 12/21/23 04:01 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

This Colorado case has gotten maga into a frenzy like I’ve never seen before. They are losing their shit.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: koods]
    #28592944 - 12/21/23 04:09 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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This Colorado case has gotten maga into a frenzy like I’ve never seen before. They are losing their shit.





How do you mean?
I heard one of the judges or whatever in Colorado has gotten 64 death threats and like 500 threats since the announcement.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: koods]
    #28592947 - 12/21/23 04:10 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

They learned from the best.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
    #28592961 - 12/21/23 04:19 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

That's a horrible deepfake.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28593032 - 12/21/23 05:03 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

And here I thought he nailed it.

The fake was when they were spreading all over the internet that paul polosies attacker was his gay lover.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28593069 - 12/21/23 05:21 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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This Colorado case has gotten maga into a frenzy like I’ve never seen before. They are losing their shit.





How do you mean?
I heard one of the judges or whatever in Colorado has gotten 64 death threats and like 500 threats since the announcement.



Welp I'm sure most of those people won't be voting  while they're in jail and whatever


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28593161 - 12/21/23 06:39 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Right wingers don't go to jail for death threats, only lefties do.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: koods]
    #28593735 - 12/22/23 07:23 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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I really do think the justus's will not say it is political and cut them selves out forever but may do something that leaves them plenty of latitude to do something else when needed.  No ideal what.

I say this, trump will throw anyone under the bus and they can not buy good will from him that last.




I think this case will be heard in time for states to make decisions about their own ballots. If the court upholds this decision, that’s it, Trump is finished.




I like the precedent, even if others don't, some for completely partisan reasons and others for reasonable reasons, perhaps.

But doesn't it only become significant if swing states kick him off the ballot? Otherwise this could potentially help Trump as much as hurt him.

Still waiting for the plethora of Trump cases to have a cumulative effect, but IDK. The criminal cases have all these precedent issues, etc., etc. Given the weird peculiar capitalist history of our country, maybe the best bet is for the couple of civil cases to ruin him like Guliani. Make him more bankrupt than his fundraising capabilities.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #28593989 - 12/22/23 11:27 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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But doesn't it only become significant if swing states kick him off the ballot? Otherwise this could potentially help Trump as much as hurt him.




Maybe, but the US has to try.  If they don't even try then they basically are bending over to authoritarianism.


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Still waiting for the plethora of Trump cases to have a cumulative effect, but IDK. The criminal cases have all these precedent issues, etc., etc. Given the weird peculiar capitalist history of our country, maybe the best bet is for the couple of civil cases to ruin him like Guliani. Make him more bankrupt than his fundraising capabilities.




I don't think money is an issue for Trump because Putin will gladly pay him whatever he needs to stay afloat.  Trump winning the 2024 presidency is probably the single most important thing Putin has going for him right now.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #28594002 - 12/22/23 11:44 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Putin is too weak to conquer the poorest country in Europe, and powerful enough to decide elections in the United States.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28594054 - 12/22/23 12:27 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Influencing the outcome of a US election with our current politics only requires swaying the minds of 1-2% of voters. The DNC hacks were a big deal. It’s something that obsessed posters in this forum the last few months of the election in 2016. I think it’s highly likely that the release of those emails convinced enough democratic voters to sit out the election, and that is all that was that was needed to elect Trump. You didn’t even have to convince anyone to change their vote to Trump, you just had to demoralize or disgust 2 out of 100 democratic voters to say “fuck it.” It’s really the perfect way to influence the electorate, because you don’t have to convince non voters to go and vote, you just have to discourage voters from voting.

Does anyone here really believe the release of those emails didn’t discourage some democrats from voting in 2016? 2 out of every 100 democratic voters is not a huge stretch of the imagination, especially in 2016 when a lot of those same democrats laughed at the idea that trump could really win. Why hold your nose and vote for Clinton when all the polls showed Clinton winning anyways. It was a perfect storm.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #28594080 - 12/22/23 12:53 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I often thought that too, but Trump will always be able to get money (or the appearance of such)....look at homeboys business career, filled with that stuff.

He also has an uncanny ability for people to pony up money despite having 90+ criminal charges, the bombastic untruthful rethotic, etc. People that genuinely hate him, support him. People that half hate him, support him, the MAGA crowd, well.. .its a cult of personality that US politics have never seen.

I would hope he gets the nod and is soundly defeated in a presidential election. It's would be the best thing for our country as I think the damage he has done hasn't come to full fruition or been truely realized yet. Once those reverberations surface it will be felt for awhile.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28594093 - 12/22/23 01:12 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

The problem is it will not be a blow out but my bet is he loses.  The question is, does he keep winning after losing cause it was close.  Be nice if a real message could be sent.  Still, he has to be beat close or not.

I personally believe if he was knocked off the ballot by the government, It may make more then a majority mad for a while but Nixon had just won by a big margin and over all, it would show that no matter what, you can not do some things.  After the fall out, I think long term it would send the right message and if I were wrong then can always try and get a 2/3rd majority and try and change the constitution.  At least then they would go over the abyss with a majority that would meet out current constitution.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
    #28594102 - 12/22/23 01:20 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Looking more likely Michigan will try what Colorado did: "Trump was recorded pressuring two Michigan GOP canvassers not to certify 2020 election results"


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-recorded-pressuring-two-michigan-gop-canvassers-not-certify-rcna130902


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28594275 - 12/22/23 04:31 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

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Putin is too weak to conquer the poorest country in Europe, and powerful enough to decide elections in the United States.




Different kinds of power but yeah, Putin can only influence these things so much.  He doesn't have a magical lever that fixes the vote or something.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: koods] * 1
    #28595046 - 12/23/23 08:52 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

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Influencing the outcome of a US election with our current politics only requires swaying the minds of 1-2% of voters. The DNC hacks were a big deal. It’s something that obsessed posters in this forum the last few months of the election in 2016. I think it’s highly likely that the release of those emails convinced enough democratic voters to sit out the election, and that is all that was that was needed to elect Trump. You didn’t even have to convince anyone to change their vote to Trump, you just had to demoralize or disgust 2 out of 100 democratic voters to say “fuck it.” It’s really the perfect way to influence the electorate, because you don’t have to convince non voters to go and vote, you just have to discourage voters from voting.

Does anyone here really believe the release of those emails didn’t discourage some democrats from voting in 2016? 2 out of every 100 democratic voters is not a huge stretch of the imagination, especially in 2016 when a lot of those same democrats laughed at the idea that trump could really win. Why hold your nose and vote for Clinton when all the polls showed Clinton winning anyways. It was a perfect storm.




I get the sentiment, and given the very thin margins of recent presidential elections it’s likely a given that outside influences can sway elections.

But the idea that Putin can make 2.5M people change their votes is just incredibly convenient messaging coming from the same people that lied us into every conflict since WW2. And it (also conveniently) shifts blame away from the Democrats nominating the least likable candidate in modern history and on to an Official Enemy for amplifying their flaws.

I think what I find most irritating about all this discourse is that normally when I suggest to a liberal that Democrats do something bold to enact the will of their voters, I’m met with the supposed pragmatism of “well they can’t do that because then when Republicans get into power again they’ll abuse it or take it even further.” Meanwhile these dipshits spent 4 hours laying the foundation for election denial on the right because they were too embarrassed to accept that the person they kneecapped Bernie Sanders for (who had ZERO flaws exploitable by foreign enemies) lost the easiest election in a century to a caricature of a caricature of an idiot.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28596081 - 12/24/23 05:33 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Ramaswami says he'll withdraw from Colorado primary in solidarity with Trump. Probably because Vivek would come in 4th or 5th, not 2nd or 3rd.

How do the GOP Presidential also rans really feal about this? They can't say it, YET. But other than a possible VP nod, Trump's elimination is the only chance they have.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #28596383 - 12/24/23 09:20 AM (1 month, 3 days ago)

I think DeSantis is the only one wiley enough to figure that out so far. But it's a careful knife edge of not making the trump supporters feel like the traitorous dumbasses they are while also dumping trump.:shrug:


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