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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
    #28590661 - 12/19/23 11:21 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Nope.

Trump can file all the appeals he wants, and it won't do any good.

Trump is not eligible to be on the ballot in Colorado per their SCOTUS ... PERIOD

Only the U.S. SCOTUS overturning the Colorado SCOTUS can put him back on the ballot.

This puts a fire under the U.S. SCOTUS to get off their ass and make a ruling otherwise ... its curtains for Trump in Colorado.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
    #28590664 - 12/19/23 11:22 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Perhaps I have missed something this appears to only affect the primaries? Or the general election as well?


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
    #28590924 - 12/20/23 07:09 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

This is just one quote from a The Hill article.
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The court put its ruling on hold until Jan. 4, so Trump can first seek review from the Supreme Court. If he does, Trump’s name automatically remains on the ballot until the justices resolve the appeal



But there are others.  We could read the entire decision but then again, nah, just wait as see will be easier for me personally.

The stay is for the primary ballot issue, if successful, the ruling will auto effect the general and not just the primary.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
    #28590992 - 12/20/23 08:13 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Perhaps I have missed something this appears to only affect the primaries? Or the general election as well?




Both.

He is not able to run as an elected official anywhere in Colorado ...unless the U.S. SCOTUS overturns the Colorado ruling.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
    #28591022 - 12/20/23 08:46 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Nope.

Trump can file all the appeals he wants, and it won't do any good.

Trump is not eligible to be on the ballot in Colorado per their SCOTUS ... PERIOD

Only the U.S. SCOTUS overturning the Colorado SCOTUS can put him back on the ballot.

This puts a fire under the U.S. SCOTUS to get off their ass and make a ruling otherwise ... its curtains for Trump in Colorado.



I don't know where you got your law degree, but you seem to not have read the opinion of the Colorado Supreme Court. It clearly says:

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Therefore, to maintain the status quo pending any review by the U.S. Supreme Court, we stay our ruling until January 4, 2024 (the day before the Secretary's deadline to certify the content of the presidential primary ballot). If review is sought in the Supreme Court before the stay expires on January 4, 2024, then the stay shall remain in place, and the Secretary will continue to be required to include President Trump's name on the 2024 presidential primary ballot, until the receipt of any order or mandate from the Supreme Court.


(emphasis mine)

In other words, if he appeals it to the Supremes on January 3, he's on the ballot on January 5th.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591039 - 12/20/23 09:00 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

The only important thing here is the precedent. Trump isn’t winning Colorado whether he’s on the ballot or not, but will SCOTUS let this fly so they (conservatives) can keep [Democrat candidate] off the ballot in Georgia or Texas in the future? Hard to say.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28591052 - 12/20/23 09:08 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

If the SCOTUS doesn't review it, it really only affects Colorado.  Only if the SCOTUS upholds or overturns it does it have any precedential effect.  Even then, it depends on how broad the SCOTUS rules on it.  It is certainly possible to rule on this one without leaving much precedent, if any.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591176 - 12/20/23 10:59 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Didn't SCOTUS recently rule on a case and simultaneously argue that their ruling should not be considered precedent?

I could see them going that way to keep trump on the ballot, while still allowing states to kick Biden off.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
    #28591182 - 12/20/23 11:03 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

They could literally just sit on the case until after the election, and Trump would be on the ballot


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591189 - 12/20/23 11:04 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Then Jan 6th they'll hand down a ruling allowing other states to kick Biden off the ballot.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28591194 - 12/20/23 11:08 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Of which year?  If you're talking about 2024, that ruling would allow trump to be kicked off of ballots.  I don't see any viable option for kicking Biden off in 2024.  Was there an insurrection that I missed wherein senile old men stormed the capitol?


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591221 - 12/20/23 11:26 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

To some, trump is america and it is insurrection to say otherwise.  Didn't you know he is secretly running the country?  I have seen this point made on you tube videos covering trump rallies you know.  Who needs a little bitty ole constitution anyway.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
    #28591289 - 12/20/23 12:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

That's all irrelevant here, though.  The 14th amendment doesn't say anything about disqualification being based on any subjective rhetoric that you or anyone else happens to spew.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591349 - 12/20/23 12:42 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Irrelevant here as far as scotus and their court ruling? Yes.  But my last comments are still pretty funny to me? Yes.  Off topic? Depends.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591354 - 12/20/23 12:44 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I think the lower court ruling was pretty clear and dumbasses were like omg. Then it just got ass slammed by the circuit court if this wasn't over a president I doubt the Supreme Court would even give it the time of day.:facepalm:


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591437 - 12/20/23 01:54 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

,,,,,,having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28591443 - 12/20/23 02:00 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

If the US SC reverses the Colorado SC decision I expect protesting.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #28591451 - 12/20/23 02:05 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

The oath of office is to uphold the duties of the office and a big part of that is the upholding and abiding by the constitution. It says right in the law an officer of the United States, the president is simply a civilian holding the highest ranking office in government, comander in chief in supreme command. It's been that way since George Washington for God sakes :facepalm:
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
    #28591470 - 12/20/23 02:19 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Of which year?  If you're talking about 2024, that ruling would allow trump to be kicked off of ballots.  I don't see any viable option for kicking Biden off in 2024.  Was there an insurrection that I missed wherein senile old men stormed the capitol?




Legally, they might not. But I'm sure the current SCOTUS could find a way to torture the constitution into upholding red states kicking Biden off the ballot.


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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #28591542 - 12/20/23 03:23 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I doubt it.


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