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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28573548 - 12/07/23 09:36 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Thetruthsohelp You need to change your name to Hidethetruthsohelp or quit drinking the koolaid. Everybody that pays any attention has eyes and can see in real time what is happening and what led up to it. But you are right, trump threw in the joke about being hard on the border the and an emigration ban as a joke to cloth his first day dictator comment in deniability for guys like you to spread and confuse so his code to all the Q people could be hid for the few stupid straits that are still under the spell. My favorite was the little gathering that had a bunch of his supporter holding there hands up to him like they do during church services. There are some out there that nobody or no action could dissuade them from their devotion cause they can not question their god. I still remember the gold statue. Just for you. https://blogs.hope.edu/getting-race-right/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2021/03/Trump-golden-statue-man-bows-down.jpg
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
#28573839 - 12/08/23 04:05 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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All these "truth speakers" seem to only know how to parrot double speak/new speak.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
#28573857 - 12/08/23 04:53 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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Are these cases to keep Trump off the ballot just about the primaries?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones]
#28574151 - 12/08/23 10:00 AM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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It's about preventing his ability to run for any political office, not just the primaries.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28574312 - 12/08/23 12:05 PM (1 month, 19 days ago) |
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This guy says it pretty well ...
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
#28575186 - 12/08/23 11:50 PM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Who cares what he says? Are you one of those people who believes that whatever Trump says it gospel?
I keep hearing this dictatorship comment. No need for a link but just where he said it. Im guessing I can find it. Did he say it once, twice?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
#28575190 - 12/08/23 11:55 PM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Actually he told people to fight. And fight they did.
He also told them to prepare to fight before that, and everybody said the same thing as you did: It's all just one of his jokes, all that off the cuff humor.
Fact is, Trump is too stupid to joke. Trump says exactly what he intends to do, and then he tries to do it. Once in a while, he succeeds. Trump intends to invoke the Insurrection Act on the first day of his presidency, and use the military to suppress anyone that he perceives as one of his opponents. That is exactly what he will do.
The only one with Trump Derangement Syndrome here is you. And the rest of your MAGA kind. Because you are, quite literally, deranged, if you believe that Trump cares about you or the country, or anything but himself, for that matter.
Fascism is when corporations ally with the state in an effort to turn state violence against the workers. We haven't quite gotten to the open violence yet.
You go pretty hard on Trump. You also go hard on Isreal. What, if any do you think a correlation between isreal and Trump?
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Yeatster] 2
#28575211 - 12/09/23 12:33 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Yeatster said:
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Enlil said: Who cares what he says? Are you one of those people who believes that whatever Trump says it gospel?
I keep hearing this dictatorship comment. No need for a link but just where he said it. Im guessing I can find it. Did he say it once, twice?
Sean Hannity interview/"Town Hall" from like, a week ago? He was being set up to say "I won't be a dictator" and he instead said "I will be a dictator right away, but only on the first day". Which is bullshit. Very few dictators voluntarily give up dictatorial powers.
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Kryptos said: Actually he told people to fight. And fight they did.
He also told them to prepare to fight before that, and everybody said the same thing as you did: It's all just one of his jokes, all that off the cuff humor.
Fact is, Trump is too stupid to joke. Trump says exactly what he intends to do, and then he tries to do it. Once in a while, he succeeds. Trump intends to invoke the Insurrection Act on the first day of his presidency, and use the military to suppress anyone that he perceives as one of his opponents. That is exactly what he will do.
The only one with Trump Derangement Syndrome here is you. And the rest of your MAGA kind. Because you are, quite literally, deranged, if you believe that Trump cares about you or the country, or anything but himself, for that matter.
Fascism is when corporations ally with the state in an effort to turn state violence against the workers. We haven't quite gotten to the open violence yet.
You go pretty hard on Trump. You also go hard on Isreal. What, if any do you think a correlation between isreal and Trump?
I don't think there is a correlation between Israel and Trump, apart from both Israel and Trump being supported by the GOP.
I don't like Israel because they are a theocratic regime that is participating in a policy of apartheid and barely even covered up indiscriminate slaughter of Palestine. Every single individual piece of that statement is fucked up. The theocracy, the apartheid, the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, all of it. Israel the political entity is a blight upon the world, just like every other theocratic apartheid regime.
I don't like trump because he's an obvious conman who has absolutely zero interests outside of his own ego. He is willing to go to any lengths for self-aggrandizement, and he does not care about anything that does not directly benefit himself. Unfortunately, this affects me. Because anyone who wants to fuck with other people needs to whisper sweet nothing's into Trump's ear, and he will do whatever they want.
Trump is also the only president who has managed to personally fuck up my life to a degree, when he cut EPA research funding on his first day in office. Unfortunately, the EPA was funding my graduate degree at the time. Which means that I spent a whole lot of money using a whole lot of extremely fancy equipment, and then the check from the government that was supposed to cover those costs bounced. Because of an executive order by Trump.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Kryptos]
#28575362 - 12/09/23 06:56 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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I can not look into peoples heads and know what they know or don't know. I can recognize trends that show up though. It seems like every single person that is predisposed to liking trump when confronted with his actions start out by asking where did he do that. Then when told, they come back and say that is being taken out of context. The problem with this is I have a hard time believing they didn't know the action before asking their question and the question was just an avenue to put up a defense for trump. Just like already while jan six was going on, first response was it was antifa/black lives matter that did it even though the people storming the capitol wore auschwitz shirts and carried trump flags and when that was questioned it becomes a fbi operation. It doesn't matter that all those they want to blame would have not reason to try and keep trump, it just can't be his supporters fault. It takes quite a bit of inherent dishonesty to be able to convince ones self to really start believing such dribble.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28575442 - 12/09/23 08:09 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Jailbird420 said: It's about preventing his ability to run for any political office, not just the primaries.
If he can't be eligible for president in one state (let's assume ONLY in Colorado), wouldn't that preclude him from presidency of the country? Can't be president of 49 states.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Tulipslave] 2
#28575453 - 12/09/23 08:21 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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If he could get the electoral votes without Colorado then he'd still be in.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa]
#28575477 - 12/09/23 08:33 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: If he could get the electoral votes without Colorado then he'd still be in.
I was hoping that wouldn't be the case, but so it goes.
Colorado would just be barring him the ballot, not actually from holding office/representing them. Much clearer.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#28575483 - 12/09/23 08:36 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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If Colorado ended up, after all appeals. being successful in keeping trump off, it will end up being nation wide. More then one state is doing stuff based on the same constitution and when the conflict between them comes, it will get decided one way or the other. But, he is not off the ballot even in Colorado yet. The 14th will or will not have meaning in the end.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Tulipslave]
#28575484 - 12/09/23 08:37 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah, it would have to be a state like Florida or Texas that was going to go to Trump and has enough clout to force a guaranteed loss
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Tulipslave]
#28575513 - 12/09/23 08:47 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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State court wouldn't have that power. But hypothetically, you can bet Trump would have a grudge against Colorado. "They have the worst ski slopes".
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Brian Jones]
#28575524 - 12/09/23 08:52 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Can you see trump on skis? He barely fits in a golf cart.  Sorry if I ruined your breakfast with that mental image.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww] 1
#28575663 - 12/09/23 10:12 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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gww said: If Colorado ended up, after all appeals. being successful in keeping trump off, it will end up being nation wide. More then one state is doing stuff based on the same constitution and when the conflict between them comes, it will get decided one way or the other. But, he is not off the ballot even in Colorado yet. The 14th will or will not have meaning in the end.
I think there's a very real chance that the the SCOTUS will find it to be a political question and therefore outside of its power to decide.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Jailbird420]
#28575686 - 12/09/23 10:35 AM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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This is the perfect opportunity for Colorado and other states to disqualify Trump from their ballots. This is the true test for our democracy. I don't know if the Supreme Court will take this up or leave it to the states.
Regarding talking with Trump supporters and trying to convince them to critically think: it's hard. They're in a cult that prioritizes feelings over logic. I just stick to very easy topics they have no chance of acting stupid on, such as January 6.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: Enlil]
#28575925 - 12/09/23 02:26 PM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
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gww said: If Colorado ended up, after all appeals. being successful in keeping trump off, it will end up being nation wide. More then one state is doing stuff based on the same constitution and when the conflict between them comes, it will get decided one way or the other. But, he is not off the ballot even in Colorado yet. The 14th will or will not have meaning in the end.
I think there's a very real chance that the the SCOTUS will find it to be a political question and therefore outside of its power to decide.
Time will tell. I could see them not taking a case and letting a ruling stand but if two states decide differently on something that applies to both, somebody is going to set the stage with some legal action that puts the supreme court in a position to either leave it alone and free for anything to happen or settle it so it means something and my opinion is they will not give it up to forever not having a say. You may be right though and time will tell.
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Re: Colorado, The 14th Amendment and the SCOTUS [Re: gww]
#28590281 - 12/19/23 06:33 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Well, Colorado dropped the hammer on Trump.
The question remains; Will the SCOTUS take up the case or leave it up to each state?
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