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Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure!
    #28570533 - 12/05/23 07:56 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)



Was on a trail today through some trees in Hattiesburg, Mississippi and stumbled upon (photo attached) what I’ve been lead to believe is “Amanita muscaria var. inzengae, commonly known as Inzenga's fly agaric” ?? I might be crazy but I’d love some advice from somebody who might know more than me. Interested in trying it if anyone has tips on consumption! (If it is amanita lol!)

Thank you! First post on here, always look here for advice.

Wish I took more pictures, didn’t dig it out. Sorry!
Didn’t want to touch it without being sure!

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Pine/Woods Area

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Hattiesburg, Mississippi

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Ball shaped, had warts that I’ve seen on Amanita on the bottom but not near the top, as seen in photo.

Stem
Didn’t dig the mushroom out but could see a thicker white stem (compared to the head)

That’s all the information I have! I do not have information on smell or spore print color. Sorry!


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: letsmovefaraway]
    #28570713 - 12/05/23 09:45 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

I would be checking that area for next days of mushroom season if that amanita is of value.

You like to ingest the amanita?


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28570808 - 12/05/23 11:11 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Not really sure, have heard of some people enjoying it? Just curious honestly
Where would I go to see if it has value?


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: letsmovefaraway]
    #28570812 - 12/05/23 11:16 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Note this is not my experience... I haven't tried this (I don't enjoy being drunk so can't imagine liking Amanitas..) but this is what my local mushroom ID guide has to say about Amanita containing Ibotenic acid..
" It is not uncommon to hear reports that eating one makes you think you are God, vomit a lot, go into a coma and wake up with amnesia, which I suppose is just as well given how unpleasant the experience sounds. These toxins are water soluble and I've been told that if you boil thin slices of the mushroom twice, discarding the water in between, then the mushroom might be rendered edible. Don't try this at home."


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Magic Badger]
    #28570813 - 12/05/23 11:19 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Sweet thanks! Doesn’t sound like I’ll be trying it! Maybe it’s worth something


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: letsmovefaraway]
    #28570860 - 12/06/23 01:09 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Looks like it’s probably some type of fly agaric. Hard to tell from that one photo I think. Next time get photos of stem base and the whole mushroom


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Bardy]
    #28571274 - 12/06/23 09:18 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

That’s bad detail to the Amanita mushroom. There is cultures who, America and Christmas to the Siberian Shamans. Or, the thought to be Soma of Hindi religion.  Some cultures have the amanita tea at table instead of booze.

OP look up some positive details to the amanita. I’ve eaten them raw and dried correctly. Dried correctly didn’t have me puke and gave into a very jolly time.

They are a good one.

Many websites sell them dried for use of consumption.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Magic Badger] * 1
    #28571317 - 12/06/23 09:56 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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Magic Badger said:
Note this is not my experience... I haven't tried this (I don't enjoy being drunk so can't imagine liking Amanitas..) but this is what my local mushroom ID guide has to say about Amanita containing Ibotenic acid..
" It is not uncommon to hear reports that eating one makes you think you are God, vomit a lot, go into a coma and wake up with amnesia, which I suppose is just as well given how unpleasant the experience sounds. These toxins are water soluble and I've been told that if you boil thin slices of the mushroom twice, discarding the water in between, then the mushroom might be rendered edible. Don't try this at home."




What a load of horse shit.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28571333 - 12/06/23 10:13 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Kinda looks more like amanita Caesarea to me.  But I’m no amanita expert.  A minority of folks seem to think A. Muscaria is preferable to psilocybin but I think it’s a small minority.  Personally I’m not interested as I’ve read numerous trip reports.  Seems more like a fever dream than a trip to me.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28571771 - 12/06/23 05:04 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I’ll look into it! Definitely going to head back soon and get some more pictures of it!
Really did want to try it


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28571807 - 12/06/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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Psilosadhu said:
Quote:

Magic Badger said:
Note this is not my experience... I haven't tried this (I don't enjoy being drunk so can't imagine liking Amanitas..) but this is what my local mushroom ID guide has to say about Amanita containing Ibotenic acid..
" It is not uncommon to hear reports that eating one makes you think you are God, vomit a lot, go into a coma and wake up with amnesia, which I suppose is just as well given how unpleasant the experience sounds. These toxins are water soluble and I've been told that if you boil thin slices of the mushroom twice, discarding the water in between, then the mushroom might be rendered edible. Don't try this at home."




What a load of horse shit.




It’s not really horse shit. “Thinking your god” could be interpreted as feeling one with everything 🤷🏼‍♂️ either that or a delusion… could happen. Vomiting is also a common experience on these. “Coma” I’m assuming is colloquially used to mean a deep sleep, not a literal coma. And I could see how these can induce amnesia as well, being that muscimol is comparable to Z-drugs and is considered a hypnotic.

This account does leave out the possibility of positive experiences though..


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Bardy]
    #28571829 - 12/06/23 05:53 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I didn’t look closely at your mushroom but in terms of Amanita muscaria below are worth looking into.

Amanita Dreemer is worth checking out her website has the different podcasts she’s been on listed.
She has lots of you tube vids too.
She is big supporter and user of them.

On the flip side:
This is worth reading too from a CA well respected naturalist.
http://bayareamushrooms.org/education/further_reflections_amanita_muscaria.html

I’ve always been intrigued by these mushrooms much like Brugmansia they call to me but can sound like sirens


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #28571874 - 12/06/23 06:42 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Muscimol won't put you in a coma and I doubt it's common to go around feeling like a god either. The "one with everything" feeling could happen, but I'd say that's a bit far from feeling like a god.
Amnesia? Possibly, but never heard of it. Must be rare.
Most people have positive experiences with amanita. And quite different from what's described here. This is on pair with what some authorities say about psilocybian mushrooms; "You might never land, you think you can fly and you'll jump off of a tall building and die, you can get a nervous breakdown from a bad trip and get mental problems for the rest of your life and you commit suicide, etc.
Or; "marihuana is a gateway drug to heroin", "weed makes white girls sleep with black men", "smoking cannabis kills your brain cells." :grin:

It's horse shit.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28571920 - 12/06/23 07:17 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I agree that the choice of the word coma is silly, but I think they’re just being hyperbolic. I reckon they just mean “comatose” in the colloquial sense.

When people talk about god they don’t always mean the patriarchal all knowing Christian/Islamic god. It could be more of the Hindu “god” meaning where they just think we are all part of god 🤷🏼‍♂️. That’s the connection I’m making between the oneness feeling and the “god like” feeling… who knows what they really meant. It’s a pretty vague account of the effects.

Amnesia akin to what you get from drinking alcohol is fairly common I think on Amanitas isn’t it?

The stuff about people jumping from heights causing injury or death on psilocybin and LSD is true… it can and has happened. Not a common occurrence at all though, and they fail to describe the positives and potential benefits of these experiences. But yeah, I agree that it’s not an honest account of what these things are like if you’re only talking about the negatives all the time. I’m just trying to make the case it’s not 100% horse shit.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Bardy]
    #28572078 - 12/06/23 08:24 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

"Go into a coma" is quite different than "go to sleep" :laugh:
Well, sure, some people are fucked in the head and shit might have happened, but when describing the effects of a substance using one in a thousand examples, I call bs.
It's like saying "drinking beer makes you beat up children". It's not 100% horse shit either 🤣
Anyway, just thought that was a really bad description of the effects of the mushroom.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28572163 - 12/06/23 09:41 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

If there is one, maybe more to come!

L@@K into this one. Be had some wowzer like experience. Warm hearted.

I did find as there are two sides to the trip of this one.  There is a heady mystical pass to be, or, there was a ‘you are what you eat’ trip, that was do to other people present that were holding to tightly onto the rooms vibes, mind expansion ya’ know, that trip was as if my body became to mushroom. Once you feel the stalk to freshl growing mushroom you will get glimpse of what I mean. A strange wax like texture. That body trip, as oppose to heady mind trip, the body load trip was as my body the mushroom body; bit soggy, sticky, sweaty wax like.  It was difficult to be human as if all body was mushroom body.  The thought of having organs caused minor discomfort and that is of body load trip.

Lots of history to those mushrooms.

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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28572238 - 12/06/23 11:39 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

"one of the most dangerous mushrooms"

"I definitely advice not doing this"

- Paul Stamets

Of course worldwide distribution of this mushroom may mean that alkaloid levels vary according to location.  Some areas may have varieties with less Ibotenic acid which would result in a more pleasant experience.  Potencies can be highly variable from mushroom to mushroom.

A REddit thread details decarboxylating techniques using boiling at 100C with pH lowered to 2.5 - 3.0 for 3 hours.  Theoretically this will result in more muscimol and less ibotenic acid.

Still, numerous reports of uncoordination, catatonia, and heavy drooling make this a hard pass for me.

Stamets' experience with Amanita Pantherina is a legendary story.  I think its on an old Rogan show on youtube.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28572275 - 12/07/23 12:27 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

Quote:

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If there is one, maybe more to come!

L@@K into this one. Be had some wowzer like experience. Warm hearted.

I did find as there are two sides to the trip of this one.  There is a heady mystical pass to be, or, there was a ‘you are what you eat’ trip, that was do to other people present that were holding to tightly onto the rooms vibes, mind expansion ya’ know, that trip was as if my body became to mushroom. Once you feel the stalk to freshl growing mushroom you will get glimpse of what I mean. A strange wax like texture. That body trip, as oppose to heady mind trip, the body load trip was as my body the mushroom body; bit soggy, sticky, sweaty wax like.  It was difficult to be human as if all body was mushroom body.  The thought of having organs caused minor discomfort and that is of body load trip.

Lots of history to those mushrooms.

Enjoy.




That's more like it! 😄

People seem to have very different experiences on amanita, mostly positive ones, though.

Stamets had a blast on that pantherina trip! Not sure why he said it's dangerous. Because you might do stupid shit on it?

Heard a story about an elderly couple from Norway. They were at a campsite with their camping van and ate fly agaric by mistake. They started tripping really hard without realising they were tripping, trashing their campsite while laughing like maniacs 🤣 The police had to come but they couldn't do anything. After they said they had no idea why they did it. They did remember it, though 😆


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28572301 - 12/07/23 01:41 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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"Go into a coma" is quite different than "go to sleep" :laugh:
Well, sure, some people are fucked in the head and shit might have happened, but when describing the effects of a substance using one in a thousand examples, I call bs.
It's like saying "drinking beer makes you beat up children". It's not 100% horse shit either 🤣
Anyway, just thought that was a really bad description of the effects of the mushroom.




Yeah this is true… they shouldn’t be using colloquial definitions of the word coma in an informative book like a mushroom guide haha. But still… you can overdose and they are potentially lethal if not dosed carefully. Not sure exactly how much risk is involved though.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Bardy]
    #28572325 - 12/07/23 02:42 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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Quote:

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"Go into a coma" is quite different than "go to sleep" :laugh:
Well, sure, some people are fucked in the head and shit might have happened, but when describing the effects of a substance using one in a thousand examples, I call bs.
It's like saying "drinking beer makes you beat up children". It's not 100% horse shit either 🤣
Anyway, just thought that was a really bad description of the effects of the mushroom.




Yeah this is true… they shouldn’t be using colloquial definitions of the word coma in an informative book like a mushroom guide haha. But still… you can overdose and they are potentially lethal if not dosed carefully. Not sure exactly how much risk is involved though.




They're not lethal, well not in the toxicology way. You might do something stupid and die, but other than that they're alright.
There's reports of a couple of kids dying from pantherinas, though. You'd need to eat a lot of mushrooms for that to happen. But it's certainly possible.
People die from alcohol overdoses as well. And that's probably easier. But still rare.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #28572475 - 12/07/23 07:37 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I think what I quoted was a little tongue-in-cheek... Don't get too uptight.. I have seen Amanita compared to getting drunk in more than one place, so think about it before you get too mad.. that could also could easily be described in the same manner. Too much booze - feel like a god, check.. puke a lot, check.. pass out, check.. don't remember what you did when you wake up, check

The "coma" thing, I think, has at least some truth to it... People and creatures who've eaten them accidentally are often reported to go into a 'coma like sleep'.. it's not said to be particularly dangerous to people, usually always recover - even little kids (I think a single death has ever been attributed to an Amanita pantherina and the details about why are unclear even to the medical folks who saw the case), but when dogs scarf one down and the owner doesn't know what they've eaten, it pukes a bunch then "goes into a coma" and the vet suggests putting it down, because they figure it's going to die anyway.. when just making sure it's hydrated, doesn't aspirate and letting the animal sleep it all off is usually sufficient for recovery.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: Magic Badger]
    #28572566 - 12/07/23 09:02 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

I’ve eaten shy of ounce, 7/8 in one evening.

They were growing half block away in some bark chips. I dried them. House mates gone to Moody Blues downtown. Figured five grams be swell. Powdered and drank. Get a call, ‘we got you a ticket.’  Hopped on old steel Schwinn bicycle and barroled to venue.  At show, decent seats, 15th row or so, aisle seat, I began to get very jolly. I would clap after songs and noticed my clapping was a epicentre to more clapping, contact high clapping spreading to thin among the crowd. Intermission came, we left to get drink at bar. I sat munching the things like chips. Couple came up to me said they were sitting next to me. I offered mushroom ‘Amanita,’ they took a smaller piece.  I munched them. The bag kept getting smaller and smaller.  Big bag to begin as was five grams less than ounce when left to show. Back at show the jolliness grew and I was chuckling, clapping louder. Some girl began dancing in aisle next to me. Then, I had thought of band playing these songs for past fifty years or so and found a great humour.  After song I got a kick out of it all and stood up from crowd with arms in air outstretched to sides. The whole band member group did as I done. We stood there and held pose. That topped me over. I sat down to shortly after have worker ask if I could politely excuse myself to the lobby. I did. I was over the show. In lobby I lurked around once then quickly saw to get out of there. Took walking, left bicycle, I forgot, stay locked and got next day.  Walking downtown Eugene had me stopped to Kesey family statue at square. Kesey there with hand out reading book I sat on his lap to see what reading. Street kids came to talk as they hang around there. I began reading from book ‘ounce upon a time.’  Kids got nosey and had me giving out as said ‘amanita’ mushroom. Red and white capped I’d say. Didn’t want rub shoulders with folk so took to walking the fourteen blocks home. The bag emptied at the square left me walking. Walking got to as the blocks began to progress the walk between reading each sign began to get to point of a blackness seen. At first that black vision would be for a step or two and that would increase between next street sign to street sign. Eventually it was black vision from one green street sign to the next green street sign.  A block or two home in that black vision I felt my mind drop from my brain and hit my stomach like a trampoline. Almost felt as the bounce was big enough to bring the fluids up out of gut as bounce. No upchuck. Got home and figured do some art. Began to draw a mushroom that was to have cap as eye. House mates got home and was instantly taken from heady mushroomed mind to that mushroom body load like boom. That was a bummer. Never finished the art peace. Though did have a decent night. An arrogant jolliness be what can say to the Amanita.


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Re: Think I found Inzenga’s Fly Agaric? Want to be sure! [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28572851 - 12/07/23 01:06 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Okay, just worked out that you’d probably need to consume something in the area of 80-100 dried grams of semi potent muscaria if you weigh 70kg… so yeah, not real toxic as far as drugs go


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