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Need advice on how to space the doses * 1
    #28567069 - 12/03/23 05:05 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I took a 4g dose of psilocybin and it was the most intense experience. The trip was amazing but also very, very challenging, specially at the end. I felt reborn, stripped from my own personality. This experience helped me a lot with my depression and anxiety and I'm functioning much better. Simple things like just getting out of bed in the morning are much easier now.

That was 3 days ago, but even though it was so intense and challenging, I already feel like being called to another one, to go deeper. But, from the things I read, that's not very recommended. People say you should space high the doses at least 2 weeks apart, although I also read reports that sometimes you should just listen to the calling.

I'm thinking about taking another another 4g trip after one week, but I'm worried it might spoil my progress. I think I have this urge because I have a lot of internal walls that are very hard to break. I've done a lot of therapy and used a lot of traditional medicine during my life, and I always was somewhat resistant to it. Few remedies have worked on me, so maybe my mental metabolism might be a little different, if that makes sense.

Do you guys think that, if I feel the calling, I should do it after one week? Or it's best to wait some more time?


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: sollidsnake]
    #28567094 - 12/03/23 05:23 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I think if you are going for something more frequent
you are going to have to settle for less intense
eg, 2g every 3rd day can work for a while
but if you can last a week
the 4g will work pretty well/


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: sollidsnake]
    #28567132 - 12/03/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

You’re still in the honeymoon afterglow to the mushroom experience.

I don’t buy into this wave of a medicine for anti-depressant and all. It’s one high priced ticket for the therapy here in Oregon and as anyone putting their money somewhere they make it up to the hilt as see make value of spent money.

Reason you need wait it out. Blatantly put, your brain is suffering from brain damage.  In the psychological field, the term temporary and long term brain damage are used to describe the length of recovery needed to have brain recovery from a depleting experience.  This I’ve read of in Julie Holland’s book of MDMA.  Temporary brain damage is where the brain takes a week or less to recover from experience. Long term is anything more than that temporary area.

Why the dose won’t have as much effect as taken day after?  You’ve emptied the gas tank, the fuel to power the machined brain.  Takes a good amount of blood to oil up and fuel that machine, brain.

Why I think the long going psycological effects just a hoax because of that what like so much about these ā€˜psychotomimetic’ qualities.  I could experience an altered state of consciousness, far out, and always wake up next day just as was before the dose and experience, myself.  And, very few actually reporting of such great lasting effects to therapy. There an article in the Shroomery Headlines that talk about that and all.

Timothy Leary talk about Reimprinting the Brain make up and all. Science has brain scan of having a normal brain with activity of energy scattered about the outer areas to brain. A mushroomed brain has energy laying low towards center of the brain. You can physical watch that happen if tune in to dose ingested and its actions.

As that energy of brain has ā€˜falling soggy dead’ (Jefferson’s Airplane, White Rabbit) that of, can be said as more so the crown area to brain that operate at normal brain function making that character being of how before, Leary would say can be changed, reimported after that energy has laid low, ā€œfallen soggy dead,ā€ for better or worse. He was a psychologist making profit and fame to self by making such exclamations.  (I sure found his character to that psychedelic wave, a drop of paint that makes the bucket of paint to country India, I found Timothy Leary as brilliant character.  His books have given very nice insightful perspective aiding that of own to an intelligence one can gain through his studies done).  I bid, sure you can reimprint the mind, (especially, as to Timothy Leary’s consciousness as that kept expanding through and through to more and more people a day turning on with his media filled presence.  Some major consciousness reimprinting be of continuous growth.  Greatest addiction to some folk) although that you, self, returning home to same Fung shui, to that same job and around the same people, it will only be short matter of time that that of who you were and there has changed  having resided momentarily will return to that crown, mapping of mind, that was of before due to lack there of change for eye to see. So, continue microdose to give a placebo effect of if to hold a false ego, heck, is not false, it’s ones own life, act out however see best interest to one self.

I don’t believe in practice of medicine.  I like take drugs that some call medicine.  As medicine, medicine  of something to prevent disease, food is the best of medicine. Fresh blood to sustain that life in us.  Some will say that ā€œmuch of all mental disorders are just mere reflections of an organ disease,ā€ Daniel, multiple PhD doctor of, now would be, forty years plus studies of Stanford.

Psychotomimetic; relating to or denoting drugs which are capable of producing an effect on the mind similar to a psychotic state.
"such altered states of consciousness follow ingestion of LSD and other psychotomimetic drugs"

Psychotic; relating to or affected with a psychosis.

Psychosis; a severe mental condition in which thought and emotions are so affected that contact is lost with external reality.


I have been one to redose maybe too soon and have lost the full potential of dose taken had I waited for brain to recover.  Experience to ingestion in that manner, I can’t recall.


If you have a good supply and don’t see a possible waste, more so than living up to depth of experience had the other night, see for yourself.

Your inquiry into life is your very own.

As said, ā€œthe stove is hot,ā€ ā€œgreat, looks cook some food.ā€


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: sollidsnake]
    #28567140 - 12/03/23 05:41 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Id recommend waiting at least 2 weeks. Its more of a tolerance thing than for safety as mushrooms are very safe, unless taken in high-frequency, then it can cause issues.

If you do go with one week wait, you will have to take about 1.5x-2x the amount to get to a similar level as you recent intense experience. You still need to take more as 2 weeks still has tolerance effects, but its not as strong as just a 1 week tolerance.

I find i can "go deeper" when i space strong trips out at least 2 weeks apart, and even better if i space trips month(s) apart.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28567253 - 12/03/23 06:25 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Thinking of it, briefly, think psychedelic drugs helped me dig and get into yoga more than if hadn’t been tuning in with them drugs. That ego ā€˜a million different people from one day to the next, I can change…,’ is so very dependent onto who expressing that ego to.  Yoga, mind body, helps open up the bodies energy currants that will shine new light to sensory perception of the mind.

OP.  Go take a yoga class. I’ve never done so, found my own practice as figure. Videos help, a teacher could too. Class, school no interest to that in past years, paying to be in yoga class that you hope, hope not more so, though for sake of body movement and actions, you’d hope be full of lots of farts stinking grossly.

Practice some yoga.

Eight Human Talents, a Kundalini book written by some female yogistress, (?), was a good start.  Had my interest to that practice within and that benefit to such practice detailed. 

Tanya Yoga, a perfect book to practice with as worded just as that of what a teacher need say to student(s).

Pass the waiting period with yoga.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: WhoManBeing] * 1
    #28567261 - 12/03/23 06:27 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

there is no brain damage from mushrooms or lsd or salvia, that's misinformation
just cut it out


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28567280 - 12/03/23 06:36 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

In the psychological field, yes there is.

Why can’t you redose right after then?  Something is depleted in the brain. Psychological Doctors will term that Damage. Read doctors book.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567291 - 12/03/23 06:41 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

For your sake, damage not always seen as bad thing. Look at tattoos and the scaring of skin tissue with ink to leave tattooed image.  That tissue scar is of an art to beholder.  A damaged skin tissue to others. And, yet, a tattoo all it is.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567369 - 12/03/23 07:27 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

yes, something is depleted, but it is more like having a shave and getting your fascial hair depleted, than having a scrape on you knee while skating, which would be  minor damage on the knee requiring healing.

The unharmed but overworked neurons replenish their receptors after tripping; i.e.  the same brain cells remain, they just got tired for a few days, unlike the skin cells which are literally torn away making skin tissue damage when scraped.

tripping is not brain damage. And tripping with psilocybin or lsd (x) is not physically toxic either.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28567375 - 12/03/23 07:33 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Unlike the skin cells, seems as these drugs are as a spiritual tattoo. How many people see to life changing effects after a dose to mushrooms. So many will say how have changed their life. Sounds like a tattoo to me.

I’m just using reference to doctors article found in text mentioned.

It’s not as the automobile is damaged, just out of windshield wiper fluid and that can be refilled.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567782 - 12/04/23 04:13 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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It’s not as the automobile is damaged, just out of windshield wiper fluid and that can be refilled.



will be refilled naturally if allowed a few days rest.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28568329 - 12/04/23 01:33 PM (1 month, 23 days ago)

Yeah mushrooms are non toxic. You can overdose on mdma. You can’t on mushrooms. It’s safer than aspirin


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: dubbtronix12345] * 1
    #28568616 - 12/04/23 05:49 PM (1 month, 23 days ago)

I’ve found the whole tolerance thing with mushrooms to be over stated in my experience. But it’s not as enjoyable when pushing the frequency.

I play it by ear. Sometimes life is too busy to even consider. Sometimes I realize I can but I don’t have the desire. When I realize I have the time and I want to, it happens.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28570395 - 12/05/23 06:48 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

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In the psychological field, yes there is.

Why can’t you redose right after then?  Something is depleted in the brain. Psychological Doctors will term that Damage. Read doctors book.



Its not damage. When you take it at first your reaction is an "allergy" but if you take it again your body now no longer identifies it as a foreign substance.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: dubbtronix12345]
    #28570605 - 12/05/23 08:23 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

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Yeah mushrooms are non toxic. You can overdose on mdma. You can’t on mushrooms. It’s safer than aspirin




You won’t die, but I’m pretty sure you can overdose to the point where it’s extremely unpleasant and potentially a risk for you heart (not sure about that last claim but I’ve heard things).


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28571323 - 12/06/23 10:03 AM (1 month, 21 days ago)

First of all, there is no evidence of damage - just temporary changes. Just as there is no damage done by eating. When you are full, you are no longer hungry. Receptors in your gut tell your brain to stop eating because they have undergone change, not damage. You no longer are able to generate appetite. Until those receptors return to their previous state.

Secondly, regarding the changes that occur in people after they trip are usually seen as positive. So the drug could be seen as enhancing or curative, not damaging.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: Bardy]
    #28571565 - 12/06/23 01:32 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

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dubbtronix12345 said:
Yeah mushrooms are non toxic. You can overdose on mdma. You can’t on mushrooms. It’s safer than aspirin




You won’t die, but I’m pretty sure you can overdose to the point where it’s extremely unpleasant and potentially a risk for you heart (not sure about that last claim but I’ve heard things).



in the sense that you can get stuck in a panic attack that you are going to get stuck in a panic attack, but if that is not your thing, then I do not see a heart problem.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28571693 - 12/06/23 03:30 PM (1 month, 21 days ago)

https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/04/13/safety-first-potential-heart-health-risks-of-microdosing/

Only theoretical evidence… but worth being cautious of.

I’ve experimented with microdosing mushrooms, mescaline, LSA and LSD for different lengths of time and have, in the last year or two, experienced shortness of breath and weakness when consuming coffee (and sometimes without the coffee). Not saying this is definitely the cause, I have no idea, but it’s a possibility in my mind at this point in time šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø

Could just be genetic… (probably is to some degree at least)…
Started getting these issues before Covid-19 as well, so it’s not 100% that.

The connection between 5HT-2b and heart disease seems reasonable enough that we should be slightly cautious I think. I’m no doctor though! Haha really have no idea


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: Bardy]
    #28574501 - 12/08/23 02:30 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

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Bardy said:
https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/04/13/safety-first-potential-heart-health-risks-of-microdosing/

Only theoretical evidence… but worth being cautious of.

I’ve experimented with microdosing mushrooms, mescaline, LSA and LSD for different lengths of time and have, in the last year or two, experienced shortness of breath and weakness when consuming coffee (and sometimes without the coffee). Not saying this is definitely the cause, I have no idea, but it’s a possibility in my mind at this point in time šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø

Could just be genetic… (probably is to some degree at least)…
Started getting these issues before Covid-19 as well, so it’s not 100% that.

The connection between 5HT-2b and heart disease seems reasonable enough that we should be slightly cautious I think. I’m no doctor though! Haha really have no idea



Now this is something that should be discussed here more often. The truth is we don't know whether mushrooms or LSD can cause VHD and this is something this community needs to know ASAP in my opinion. LSA is actually dangerous for different reasons, so keep that in mind.

Please stop spreading misinformation about brain damage, there are several papers putting forward evidence of the neurogenesis and neuroplasticity factors that the classical psychedelics stimulate.


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Re: Need advice on how to space the doses [Re: odissey]
    #28574621 - 12/08/23 04:07 PM (1 month, 19 days ago)

Yeah I regret using LSA regularly. Should’ve probably used more caution in hindsight.


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