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    #28565708 - 12/02/23 06:22 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Anyone tried it? Stories?


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] * 3
    #28566819 - 12/03/23 02:02 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

I was prescribed it 8 years ago, for smoking cessation. The dreams were wild, probably some of the craziest dreams I've ever had. I did get some of the irrational anger/rage as a side effect. It worked to make you not crave nicotine very effectively while you're on it, but I don't think that lasted very long after the prescription was over. Cold turkey was more effective for quitting nicotine to me.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28566854 - 12/03/23 02:30 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Was actually typing this up first before responding to your last journal post, due to concern:

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* Re: Vandaddio!

Have you done the research on Chantix? It caused one of my worst psychotic states to date.
Will assume you tried Welbutrin, Buspar?

Before my absolute rampage, there was a period of weeks that greatly messed with my ability to cope with stress, and I thought my head would explode, not knowing it would instead be a break.
Not implying that's whats happening here, you have so much stress generating areas hitting simultaneously.

Would you be open to breathing exercises/do you still meditate?

Next time you get a pack of cigs, also grab a little tin of VELO-ever hear of/try? I recommend the orange one. They're little pouches for between gum and lip, and its the only thing that will properly substitute a cig for me.

And if you read, I'd recommend Allen Carr's, 'How to quit smoking the easy way.'
They sent me 2 copies so lmk if you'd like to read it.




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Re: Chantix [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #28566861 - 12/03/23 02:38 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Cblhantix was like sugar pills to me, had no effect, either on urge to smoke or side effects

Actually I was vaping not smoking at the time, I was trying to quit vaping, but it had no effect, patch paired with inhaler and mints are what was effective to get me off the vape

I used the inhalers by them selves for about a year after quit vaping, I stopped using those a month ago and now I just take a mint 1-3 times a day

I thinking about getting stronger mints, because i enjoyed the stronger mouth spray, but it was too expensive

I also had a idea to make my own mouth spray, as I have two bottles of 65mg/ml nicotine in my freezer, they are illegal in canada right now, I'm probably one of the few people who still have them, I should use them or give them away to someone who would like them


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28566865 - 12/03/23 02:46 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)


Another thing that helps is making up a blend and rolling your own.

Gotta put effort into the smoke break by rolling, (being more mindful) and can control the amount of tobacco.

Have used many different smokable medicinal plants. The above is my go to (before adding tobacco)- mullein, rose petals, lavender, and with tobacco, 100% organic. And wrapped with 100% hemp.
Plus, loose tobacco is so much better quality, and fresher.
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Re: Chantix [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #28566871 - 12/03/23 02:50 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

I got these herbal smokes from amazon, they dont have the exact brand I got anymore, but I thought they were great, I liked going outside to smoke once in a while to break up sitting inside the whole time so I'd smoke a few of those per day

I still have a pack or two left


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Re: Chantix [Re: gopher]
    #28566933 - 12/03/23 03:39 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Good replies.


I have noticed rage in my head.

My dreams are out of control. I’m used to this though, so I embrace the madness. They’re extremely violent and crazy right now.  Last night I can’t remember the plot, but I woke up 20 times… each time I successfully peeled one of my finger/toe nails off in the dream. Such derangement that I only went back to sleep to get the rest of the nails.

It’s working though. I’ve smoked a considerable amount less, and my desire to smoke has vanished. However, I still enjoy smoking. That’s the hard part. I just like being outside puffing a cigarette.

I also have my own blend of mullein base, I have cruddy herb to help, and none of its working. MXE works, but I not dare dose that drug as a parent. That drug is long dead to me.


At the rate the Chantix is going, I may succeed. I have a 3 month supply.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28567070 - 12/03/23 05:06 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Beautiful structure




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Re: Chantix [Re: PatrickKn]
    #28567081 - 12/03/23 05:14 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Quote:

PatrickKn said:
...The dreams were wild, probably some of the craziest dreams I've ever had. I did get some of the irrational anger/rage as a side effect....



That.. just sounds like nicotine withdrawal.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #28567187 - 12/03/23 05:56 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

It’s the chantix for sure.

Nicotine withdrawal adds this irrationality and snapping…. Chantix is far more psychotic and “homocidal”

So far it’s actually prevented the irritable bs


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28567204 - 12/03/23 06:00 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Chantix messes up your brain chemistry, it indeed causes abnormal dreams even with no nicotine to quit.
It intoxicates, like you would expect from such a neonicotinoid structure.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Asante]
    #28567299 - 12/03/23 06:48 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

It’s definitely a wild ride.

In worried about long term effects more than anything.


If you want good dreams, check out quviviq. It’s the holy grail of sleep.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28583069 - 12/14/23 07:23 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Hi, how's the cessation going- still taking Chantix?


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Re: Chantix [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #28583834 - 12/15/23 11:04 AM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Was actually going to update this, but I had surgery yesterday and I’ve been prepping for it and recovering.


It’s working wonders.

The nightmares stopped around day 9-10. I notice no more side effects if I don’t smoke. If I do, cigarettes taste like burning live twigs. They’re not unsmokeable like Wellbutrin makes cigarettes, but they’re not enjoyable or relieving.

I’ve gone from 20 cigarettes a day down to 2-4. Which is actually manageable. Where I was became more than problematic. I have to use a smokers coat, and wash my hands 3 times with 3 different soaps, and brush and mouth wash every time. The process had become a job.

At this point I can catch a rando one when time approves and do it before shits or showers so I can already have to wash my hands and not worry.

At this rate I should be off them entirely. I’ve only had 5 in the last 3 days.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28602023 - 12/29/23 09:37 AM (30 days, 5 hours ago)

I’m assuming it’s my hard head to most chemicals, but this drug is all side effects that make you feel so shitty you just have a hard time mustering up the need to smoke.

It’s got me down by 60% most of the time… and then something stressful happens, and it’s like I’m not on any meds, and cigarettes now taste like burnt rubber vomit.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28602033 - 12/29/23 09:41 AM (30 days, 5 hours ago)

Chantix can activate some mental health issues
Be aware
Your dr should of told you
Some people are fine
Others struggle
A lot


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] * 1
    #28602034 - 12/29/23 09:41 AM (30 days, 5 hours ago)

Down by 60%... cool.. so are you going to actually quit or not?


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Re: Chantix [Re: Lynnch]
    #28602142 - 12/29/23 11:35 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago)

My dad tried it and had some serious side effects.

But he quit smoking.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Rukus]
    #28602178 - 12/29/23 11:53 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago)

I love how the structure is a symmetric ring system like nicotine, PCP and memantine.





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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] * 4
    #28602775 - 12/29/23 10:35 PM (29 days, 16 hours ago)

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vandago said:
Was actually going to update this, but I had surgery yesterday and I’ve been prepping for it and recovering.


It’s working wonders.

The nightmares stopped around day 9-10. I notice no more side effects if I don’t smoke. If I do, cigarettes taste like burning live twigs. They’re not unsmokeable like Wellbutrin makes cigarettes, but they’re not enjoyable or relieving.

I’ve gone from 20 cigarettes a day down to 2-4. Which is actually manageable. Where I was became more than problematic. I have to use a smokers coat, and wash my hands 3 times with 3 different soaps, and brush and mouth wash every time. The process had become a job.

At this point I can catch a rando one when time approves and do it before shits or showers so I can already have to wash my hands and not worry.

At this rate I should be off them entirely. I’ve only had 5 in the last 3 days.



Personally I don't think nicotine is much of a stress reliever. I think it really just causes stress when you're in minor withdrawal and makes us feel like it helps us cope with stress, when in reality it's exacerbating the stress and causing stress in otherwise unstressful situations. . I'm way less anxious and stressed since quitting nicotine completely.

If you're genuinely trying to quit and feel you're close, you really need to throw all your smoking stuff away in a dumpster somewhere. Smokes, lighters, ash trays, vape gear and juice, dip, etc - literally just all of it - just needs to not be around at all so you're not compulsively consuming it while it's within arms reach. No point having it around if you're trying to stop using it. If you can't part with it or feel like you need emergency stashes somewhere, you'll likely just be smoking habitually again at the first opportunity.


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Re: Chantix [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #28602825 - 12/30/23 12:29 AM (29 days, 14 hours ago)

Smoking = going into withdrawal 2-3x an hour. total stressor.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28602835 - 12/30/23 12:49 AM (29 days, 14 hours ago)

I think the major thing is getting your nicotine addiction down to a level where the act of quitting isn't as nearly as severe as if you quitting from smoking a pack a day or whatever. Once the physical addiction is broken then it just becomes the battle of the mind and building up various coping strategies. Remember cravings are like clouds in the sky sure they may pop up but eventually they will pass and one simply can choose to recognize them simpley as a craving and allow them to pass rather than giving into them. I alway say whenever I have a strong craving for something to simply just give it 5 minutes. In that time the anxiety or whatever you want to call it passes and often I've forgotten all about the craving and am occupied elsewhere. :sadyes:


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Re: Chantix [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28605110 - 12/31/23 07:55 PM (27 days, 19 hours ago)

I’m not a nicotine advocate. It reduces my stress by giving me a go to distraction at all times. It also provides me a bit of stimulation and keeps me active. Then it gives me a different side of stress, slight snappiness, and the stimulation spews into fast talking a lot and I hate it. Too much.

I only smoked during legal battles and when I was ultimately defeated. A cigarette was like a bullet, but I had a little time to be sure if I wanted to take it or not, so to speak.

They’ve served a purpose in my life, and not only am I grateful for them, I’ll also enjoy one in the future here and there once it’s not a habit again. I’ve quit for years before.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28605320 - 01/01/24 12:03 AM (27 days, 15 hours ago)

Yah idk dewd I've done alot of drugs and nicotine is alot like heroin in that ur constantly basically sick because ur either coming up or coming down off nicotine. Even if u have as much as u want for cheap it doesn't work. That's my whole thing especially since I don't smoke I'm just really addicted to vapong still. To me it's like I hate that it's always some issue or I'm always looking for my lost vape or have to like structure my life around getting/hitting vapes. It's crazy and nicotine isn't good for u come on. Like if I don't have my vape it's like I turn into a childish POS for no good reason other than my own selfishness. And like ur brain tries to do crazy tricks to get u to minimize it or make excuses but really it's all just dumb. Once u stop making excuses and letting the cravings hook u everyday it get easier. That's what I hate it's what I call the fiend. It's like the cravings and stuff the fact that my mind is occupied with dealing with fiending for this thing rather than cool stuff or things that help me or my family/friends. Like I could be learning or doing something cool but instead I'm thinking about getting a fix or looking for my vape in the couch. Could be cocaine heroin nicotine any them. It's not worth it to me :shrug:

In full disclosure I had been off nicotine a bunch of times for years and stuff but currently vaping again :facepalm:


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Re: Chantix [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28605325 - 01/01/24 12:12 AM (27 days, 15 hours ago)

At least you’re not smoking cigarettes, chief.

I wouldn’t try chantix to save my life. They had a massive safety issue with it here in Australia years ago regarding suicidal and psychotic behaviour in those using it. Big side effects if you ask someone with a history of depression.

I vape. Those are now illegal here in Australia because, you know, “the children”.  Guess I’ll have to go to the doctor for a prescription vape, so I don’t have to have violent dreams and decide to stab someone because I refuse to go back to death sticks.

My country is so backwards. Harm minimisation neber enters the legislative picture.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Milleresque]
    #28605338 - 01/01/24 12:38 AM (27 days, 14 hours ago)

I've been on Chantix for a spell it's very effective but highly psychotropic I could see how it has wierd side effects. Largely I personally found it to be really effective with quitting cigarettes where it made them very repulsive to me but I also remember alot of wierd stuff but I can't remember specifically as it was one the more mild side effect heavy mental drugs I was on in my life. Over all I saw it as pretty good but I could see how it makes people with less of a head kill themselves in some bizarre scenario so its like whatever :shrug:


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Re: Chantix [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #28605341 - 01/01/24 12:43 AM (27 days, 14 hours ago)

Thinking back now my friends mom who used smoke like over 2 packs a day of light cigarettes got on Chantix and she didn't really have any apparent mental health stuff going on and like yah she quit smoking for a bit but then that shit fucked her up real quick and she like did suicide stuff out of the blue but it didn't work so she got off it and started smoking again :shrug:


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Re: Chantix [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28605545 - 01/01/24 08:44 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago)

Cigarettes and vaping and to a lesser extent the Nicorette inhalers is a totally different beast than patches and gum and lozenges and spray IMO


Cigarettes and vape were near impossible for me to give up, I swear it's a miracle I did

The inhalers were like that too for about a year, but now they feel more like the lozenges

I still take lozenges and inhaler almost daily, but if I go somewhere where I forgot to bring them, it's no big deal, I can go days without them and be barely bothered

If I went somewhere without cigarettes or vape, I went bat shit crazy, I'd be at the closest store to buy more, even if I had plenty at home


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Re: Chantix [Re: gopher]
    #28605556 - 01/01/24 08:49 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago)

better quit now there is a window of opportunity to do so.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Asante]
    #28605564 - 01/01/24 08:58 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago)

I don't want to, I'm not at risk of smoking or vaping again I don't think, smoking is gross I get pissed when my mom smokes in the car, I can't even wear a expensive sweater I have that's hand wash only if I'm getting in the car with her

And vaping was a huge headache, it was better than smoking but having to keep batteries on charge 24/7 and whipping up nicotine juice weekly, and having to shell out money on atomisers all the time, was a giant drain on energy, not to mention the need to stealth vape in places where there was no vaping was crazy but I just didn't care

It's the act of inhaling was crazy, I tapered my juice down to no nicotine and I still NEEDED to vape 0 nicotine juice 24/7 I couldn't understand it

I heard in a movie once that injecting stuff is addictive, even if it's just water you will get hooked on it if you do it all the time

I think it's the same with smoking, the act is addictive in and of itself

I love nicotine, I hate smoking/vaping


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Re: Chantix [Re: gopher] * 1
    #28605569 - 01/01/24 09:04 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago)

Niotine did me no favors. Vasoonstriction, 90 bpm heartbeat, anxiety proneness, always jonesing for that next fix.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Asante]
    #28605576 - 01/01/24 09:13 AM (27 days, 6 hours ago)

I don't know if I got the first three, but I don't Jones for a hit that badly, like I do sometimes crave a inhaler hit, but it's not like craving a cigarette, I don't crave the mints at all, I only have 7 inhaler cartridges left anyways, I probably won't buy more, or at least not for a while because I spent too much money on door dash yesterday lol, so that will probably only last me a week or so, sometimes I use less than one a day


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Re: Chantix [Re: gopher]
    #28606276 - 01/01/24 06:34 PM (26 days, 20 hours ago)

So you use 30 a month. Yeah not craving it mr krabs


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Re: Chantix [Re: huey.bluey]
    #28606304 - 01/01/24 06:47 PM (26 days, 20 hours ago)

Chantix gave me wild dreams, it was like going to the movies every night when I got in bed. Stopped me smoking too, but not for long really, I got straight back on in a few months. Took me another 10 years or so to fully chuck that shit in.


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Re: Chantix [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28611539 - 01/06/24 10:26 AM (22 days, 4 hours ago)

The dreams are so intense. I wake up every 20 min it seems.

All I need is a solid couple of weeks off smoking, with no stressers around me, and I’m solid. My life is just now becoming immensely less stress. Just the standard stress that everyone deals with, nothing I can’t handle at this point.

After over a month on the stuff, I’m not convinced it’s going to work for me. I’m down to under half a pack a day, but if my brain doesn’t accept they’re not a thing within the next few weeks, there’s no point continuing to torture my sleep.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] * 2
    #28611682 - 01/06/24 12:18 PM (22 days, 2 hours ago)

Vandago, work up a rage and throw that pack over the moon.

you are eating too much of your own bullshit.

you are not weak

you are not dependent

you are Grima Wormtongue-ing yourself.

Bite off the butt

spit it out

this is the day you have officially quit

there won't be a need for you to take a Renton toilet dive for a lighter for just one more hit.

You've quit.

that's it.

you get the chantix as a gratuitous partydrug.

no evil Gunney Sergeant Hartman is going to force you to smoke another cigarette.

you have quit.

now Quit!! in your mind and flush your fags and pull yourself up by the power of your determination.

you have built a mental construct that you must shove cigs up your windpipe. You don't have to, in fact its bad for you.

Chantix doesnt have to work, YOU have to work.

the elongated chantix molecule is going to be the last dick the helplessness industry has fucked you with.

when that next cigarette is not going to happen no matter what, the problem is solved, with or without chantix to hold your hand.

I am you, you are me, i know you can do this if you cut through the bullshit..

cut through the bullshit!

NOW.

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    #28611992 - 01/06/24 05:01 PM (21 days, 22 hours ago)

Yah nothings really gonna make quitting not be quitting but it definitely makes it easier. You still are gonna have to quit smoking tho but u realize later it's actually not as big a deal as you think it is when ur on the niq. For dream stuff as long as your not trying to get off cannabinoids just use the CBD knocks them right out. U have to use like way more then they tell people to use. There's also an African root that's good for it I'm pretty sure but I forget but the CBD/hop tonic will put you right out. :sadyes:


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    #28612091 - 01/06/24 06:29 PM (21 days, 20 hours ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Vandago, work up a rage and throw that pack over the moon.

you are eating too much of your own bullshit.

you are not weak

you are not dependent

you are Grima Wormtongue-ing yourself.

Bite off the butt

spit it out

this is the day you have officially quit

there won't be a need for you to take a Renton toilet dive for a lighter for just one more hit.

You've quit.

that's it.

you get the chantix as a gratuitous partydrug.

no evil Gunney Sergeant Hartman is going to force you to smoke another cigarette.

you have quit.

now Quit!! in your mind and flush your fags and pull yourself up by the power of your determination.

you have built a mental construct that you must shove cigs up your windpipe. You don't have to, in fact its bad for you.

Chantix doesnt have to work, YOU have to work.

the elongated chantix molecule is going to be the last dick the helplessness industry has fucked you with.

when that next cigarette is not going to happen no matter what, the problem is solved, with or without chantix to hold your hand.

I am you, you are me, i know you can do this if you cut through the bullshit..

cut through the bullshit!

NOW.

:heart:




I. Enjoy. Smoking.


This is a sacrifice to my enjoyment, and my freedom.

I’m using the chantix for 3 months to finish enjoying them.

I’m afraid that I’ll still want to enjoy them.


It’s no weaker than any other vice.

If they didn’t stink and cause cancer I wouldn’t quit.

My goal is to provide myself an alternative smoking blend in the next two weeks. I may just go full cbd for joints. It seems the wisest. I think where I’m at , if I rolled a pack of cbd joints, they’d last me a week and I wouldn’t even think of smoking.


I appreciate the moral support. There’s a method to the way I’m quitting. I’ve quit cold turkey several times, but every time I’ve started again it seems as though they have added even more addictive quality to the cigarettes. This run baffles me as to why I haven’t been able to quit.

Life got on top of me, and the act of smoking is a consistent distraction compared to a more evil vice.

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    #28612220 - 01/06/24 07:53 PM (21 days, 19 hours ago)

OK, do your thing, its your map, use your route to code yourself out of this tobaccovirus.

you can shoot 5 boxes of marlboro with a shotgun.

the cigarettes cannot return fire.

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    #28612231 - 01/06/24 07:59 PM (21 days, 19 hours ago)

Cigs and tobacco is only hard to quit when you don’t have something else to keep you happy and happier than tobacco. I have smoked a ton of unfiltered cigs and unfiltered Rollie's (pack a day for years) then also vaping, hookah, pipe, and cigar. Recently I just got off years of smoking cigars daily. Nicotine is only hard to quit when I drink or use opiates. If I’m sober I never found it hard to stop even after smoking a ton for many many years. Sometimes it’s good to use nic gum to get off but honestly most of nic addiction is all in your head. Get it outa sight outa mind and enjoy life.


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    #28612246 - 01/06/24 08:04 PM (21 days, 19 hours ago)

I smoked some ayurvedic cigarettes when I first quit, cause I still felt like sitting on the bench outside and smoking, I still got a pack or 2 in my drawer, Amazon doesn't have the same brand I have anymore but they have many others, they are nicotine and tobacco free


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    #28612250 - 01/06/24 08:05 PM (21 days, 19 hours ago)

We've done it all thrown vapes/packs out the window or shot them like sporting clay it doesn't matter what it comes down to is quitting smoking/vaping that's all. Trust me I get it and it sucks but so does smoking. It's just one those things you can either double down or give up there's no way around that. Get some african root or cdb tonic and get off nicotina. It's alot like cocaine but perhaps more deceptive. Shit is hardcore God bless don't u have a wife and kids? You got to wiegh that I promise ur making a mole hill moutain figure it out. Obviously it's easier said than done but that's all it takes.


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    #28612302 - 01/06/24 08:32 PM (21 days, 18 hours ago)

I smoke cigars
Im so mad at myself for it
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    #28612525 - 01/07/24 02:46 AM (21 days, 12 hours ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Asante said:
Vandago, work up a rage and throw that pack over the moon.

you are eating too much of your own bullshit.

you are not weak

you are not dependent

you are Grima Wormtongue-ing yourself.

Bite off the butt

spit it out

this is the day you have officially quit

there won't be a need for you to take a Renton toilet dive for a lighter for just one more hit.

You've quit.

that's it.

you get the chantix as a gratuitous partydrug.

no evil Gunney Sergeant Hartman is going to force you to smoke another cigarette.

you have quit.

now Quit!! in your mind and flush your fags and pull yourself up by the power of your determination.

you have built a mental construct that you must shove cigs up your windpipe. You don't have to, in fact its bad for you.

Chantix doesnt have to work, YOU have to work.

the elongated chantix molecule is going to be the last dick the helplessness industry has fucked you with.

when that next cigarette is not going to happen no matter what, the problem is solved, with or without chantix to hold your hand.

I am you, you are me, i know you can do this if you cut through the bullshit..

cut through the bullshit!

NOW.

:heart:




I. Enjoy. Smoking.






if you believed in my rant more than in your own disempowering mantra, this would have beenyour first day off nicotine and chantix.

but do it your way, smoking a bit more if you quit your way is acceptable.

You are forced to suck the devils dick at pitchforkpoint tho.
true enjoyment died after the honeymoon phase or you wouldnt put up with Chantix, a nicotinoid Demoness.

I don't care what you tell yourself, your life story you are writing here, i just hope you will quit it like i quit smoking, mxe, mdma, shrooms benzos and weed.

quit when you quit when you quit you're gonna quit!

at some point the madness of voluntary smoke inhalation has to stop.

I love you enough to press the issue kindly.




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    #28612608 - 01/07/24 05:30 AM (21 days, 9 hours ago)

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    #28613045 - 01/07/24 01:43 PM (21 days, 1 hour ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Quote:

vandago said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Vandago, work up a rage and throw that pack over the moon.

you are eating too much of your own bullshit.

you are not weak

you are not dependent

you are Grima Wormtongue-ing yourself.

Bite off the butt

spit it out

this is the day you have officially quit

there won't be a need for you to take a Renton toilet dive for a lighter for just one more hit.

You've quit.

that's it.

you get the chantix as a gratuitous partydrug.

no evil Gunney Sergeant Hartman is going to force you to smoke another cigarette.

you have quit.

now Quit!! in your mind and flush your fags and pull yourself up by the power of your determination.

you have built a mental construct that you must shove cigs up your windpipe. You don't have to, in fact its bad for you.

Chantix doesnt have to work, YOU have to work.

the elongated chantix molecule is going to be the last dick the helplessness industry has fucked you with.

when that next cigarette is not going to happen no matter what, the problem is solved, with or without chantix to hold your hand.

I am you, you are me, i know you can do this if you cut through the bullshit..

cut through the bullshit!

NOW.

:heart:




I. Enjoy. Smoking.






if you believed in my rant more than in your own disempowering mantra, this would have beenyour first day off nicotine and chantix.

but do it your way, smoking a bit more if you quit your way is acceptable.

You are forced to suck the devils dick at pitchforkpoint tho.
true enjoyment died after the honeymoon phase or you wouldnt put up with Chantix, a nicotinoid Demoness.

I don't care what you tell yourself, your life story you are writing here, i just hope you will quit it like i quit smoking, mxe, mdma, shrooms benzos and weed.

quit when you quit when you quit you're gonna quit!

at some point the madness of voluntary smoke inhalation has to stop.

I love you enough to press the issue kindly.









Your overkill on linear response patterns can me a lot my friend.

If I was sitting with a carton in front of you, it would be valid. I appreciate the concern.

The route I’m taking is called a “quitting plan” which is on par for the course, despite me fighting the progress mentally.

Once I’m off cigarettes for a month I can freely smoke just one whenever the mood strikes. Usually like twice a week if that. The only reason I ever make it a habit, is legal problems. I have none of those, so it’s a matter of stopping the safest way possible.

I live with two people, and one’s a baby. I have no room in my life for nicotine fits, anxiety driven behavior, a snappy attitude etc.  I chose this method specifically to keep my cool while I quit, and it’s works. I’ve gone from 35-40 cigarettes a day to 5-10. Smoking 40 cigarettes a day is an addiction that will cause some really unbalanced behavior. No time for that.

I have plenty of happy things to do. I smoke outside though, and I smoke while I work. It’s not a matter of saying “hey I can play this video game instead of smoke” it’s a matter of “I enjoy doing this to pass the time and reflect while I work”

Regardless, I’m down to buying 1 pack for 3 days. Next week I’ll be able to just not smoke without any side effects. Then I stop chantix 6 weeks later.


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    #28613078 - 01/07/24 02:30 PM (21 days, 42 minutes ago)

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Once I’m off cigarettes for a month I can freely smoke just one whenever the mood strikes. Usually like twice a week if that. The only reason I ever make it a habit, is legal problems. I have none of those, so it’s a matter of stopping the safest way possible.

I live with two people, and one’s a baby. I have no room in my life for nicotine fits, anxiety driven behavior, a snappy attitude etc.  I chose this method specifically to keep my cool while I quit, and it’s works. I’ve gone from 35-40 cigarettes a day to 5-10. Smoking 40 cigarettes a day is an addiction that will cause some really unbalanced behavior. No time for that.

I have plenty of happy things to do. I smoke outside though, and I smoke while I work. It’s not a matter of saying “hey I can play this video game instead of smoke” it’s a matter of “I enjoy doing this to pass the time and reflect while I work”

Regardless, I’m down to buying 1 pack for 3 days. Next week I’ll be able to just not smoke without any side effects. Then I stop chantix 6 weeks later.





Sure, you can smoke cigarettes after you quit and start all the way back at square zero of addiction, if you enjoy torturing yourself like that.
I quit vaping cannabinoids three weeks ago.  I have felt a huge wave of calmness/relief since then.  I should have quit so much longer ago.
Good job on reducing your usage.  :mushroom2:
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    #28613129 - 01/07/24 03:06 PM (21 days, 7 minutes ago)

Addiction only affects me during hard times.

I am currently only addicted to cigarettes, and at this point very mildly.

I still have a beer a couple times a month, that doesn’t make it an addiction.

I enjoy the act, the feeling, the ritual, etc. I just don’t enjoy doing it 20 times a day.

I’ve quit for 3 years, 2 years, and several times for a year straight. Of my 26 years of being an “active smoker” I’ve smoked less than ten of those years.

The only times I have ever turned it back into a habit is when I have to appear for court. Going forward if that day ever came again, I’d do that differently.


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    #28613205 - 01/07/24 04:24 PM (20 days, 22 hours ago)

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vandago said:
Addiction only affects me during hard times.




That's not how addiction works.


Quote:

vandago said:
I am currently only addicted to cigarettes, and at this point very mildly.




Addiction is addiction.


Quote:

vandago said:
I still have a beer a couple times a month, that doesn’t make it an addiction.




Okay?  This thread is about your cigarette/nicotine addiction, not alcohol.  I'm glad you don't have a problem with alcohol. :thumbup: 


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I enjoy the act, the feeling, the ritual, etc. I just don’t enjoy doing it 20 times a day.

I’ve quit for 3 years, 2 years, and several times for a year straight. Of my 26 years of being an “active smoker” I’ve smoked less than ten of those years.

The only times I have ever turned it back into a habit is when I have to appear for court. Going forward if that day ever came again, I’d do that differently.




If you've quit before then why do you need to do Chantix this time?  You obviously want to quit, that's why you got on Chantix.  So just quit. 
You need to find better alternatives for coping with stress, such as exercise, calling family/friends, cooking healthy food, playing video games, etc.


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    #28613214 - 01/07/24 04:33 PM (20 days, 22 hours ago)

Have you tried smoking to help you quit smoking? That didnt work? Man maybe if you tried one more time. Lol


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    #28613854 - 01/08/24 09:00 AM (20 days, 6 hours ago)

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Quote:

vandago said:
Addiction only affects me during hard times.




That's not how addiction works.


Quote:

vandago said:
I am currently only addicted to cigarettes, and at this point very mildly.




Addiction is addiction.


Quote:

vandago said:
I still have a beer a couple times a month, that doesn’t make it an addiction.




Okay?  This thread is about your cigarette/nicotine addiction, not alcohol.  I'm glad you don't have a problem with alcohol. :thumbup: 


Quote:

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I enjoy the act, the feeling, the ritual, etc. I just don’t enjoy doing it 20 times a day.

I’ve quit for 3 years, 2 years, and several times for a year straight. Of my 26 years of being an “active smoker” I’ve smoked less than ten of those years.

The only times I have ever turned it back into a habit is when I have to appear for court. Going forward if that day ever came again, I’d do that differently.




If you've quit before then why do you need to do Chantix this time?  You obviously want to quit, that's why you got on Chantix.  So just quit. 
You need to find better alternatives for coping with stress, such as exercise, calling family/friends, cooking healthy food, playing video games, etc.





I guess if you regurgitate crap, you hear and group session with a bunch of people who aren’t educated. Addiction comes into play when you have no management over a substance. Casually enjoying something is not an addiction. An addiction runs your life. I chose Chantix because I do not want to snap while cold, turkey quitting cigarettes. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. And it’s working. I was instructed to continue smoking through the procedure of taking this drug. I’m following doctors orders at all times in my life surprisingly it’s working. But thanks for your two. Cents.


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    #28613922 - 01/08/24 10:10 AM (20 days, 5 hours ago)

My mother was on it at one point. She was freaking out all the time with wild mood swings. My buddies dad was on it and he said he had super intrusive thoughts, like wanting to hit old ladies with his car when he was driving by them. I've always stayed away from it.


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    #28613995 - 01/08/24 11:05 AM (20 days, 4 hours ago)

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I guess if you regurgitate crap, you hear and group session with a bunch of people who aren’t educated.




What?


Quote:

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Addiction comes into play when you have no management over a substance. Casually enjoying something is not an addiction. An addiction runs your life. I chose Chantix because I do not want to snap while cold, turkey quitting cigarettes. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. And it’s working. I was instructed to continue smoking through the procedure of taking this drug. I’m following doctors orders at all times in my life surprisingly it’s working. But thanks for your two. Cents.




I'm assuming you're talking about cigarettes and not alcohol, which this thread is about.  In saying that, here is my response:

You admitted you're addicted to cigarettes, yet seem to be alluding that you aren't addicted... yet you need to get on Chantix to not have a snap while cold turkey quitting?  People without an addiction don't worry about snapping when they quit, that's pure addictive behavior.  You're not making much sense, vandago.  It's tough to see someone in denial like you are about a problem.  I really hope you're not messing up your brain chemistry too much.  You don't have to keep smoking while using Chantix just because the doctor said you can.


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    #28614119 - 01/08/24 01:33 PM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

i don't want to lecture you on ascesis when I've been a complete rectal inject mxe bend over backwards drug whore myself.

I want you to quit in your way, and preferably in a grand epic way because like i said, its your life story, your glory year when you do quit.

its ok to postpone it a but as long as the quit is resolute and definitive to give you the greatest personal power victory.

Gandalf vs balrog, you have been on this for 26 years, like i have.

Not everybody gets divine intervention shit of God telling you no and literally making you a way out of the wilderness like happened with me, but yes, totally do it your way and to thye max.

but i see the underminings riddled in your words. i ould highlight in red indicators of flaws in your mental programming.

the brain is code. you program it all the time.

quitting an addition itself is as painless as memorizing a p[hone number, its the auxiliaries that hurt.

you have programs running like iantdoit.exe and itsstrongerthanme.exe. You need tio overwrite that, which too is paiunless, abnd spam yourself with it until the balance sways top not smoking. once you do that, c1uitting cigs is painless.

quitting nicotine is no worse than the common cold. what hurts are the ifs and buts you unwittingly put up to defend not quitting.

I rant at you like some kind of loving hitler because all my signs are pointing in one direction. My train out of love for you, full of dynamite, roars over the tracks with nothing holding it back.

willpower isnty the horsepower of your engine, its having cleared all obstacles, so you dash through the freshly fallen snow like a canadian snow plow train.

You have that strength also if you clear the rubble first. Do that first and the quitting is a nonevent.

This is loving thunder, not blame games but ranting meant to empower you, to run along with you to cheer you on your path in your life. your 26 year marathon.

Finish it.


this is my uncle Piet finishing a 10 mile run 75 years of age.
hes in his 90s now.





you are getting the asante rante i never got in my darkest hours, but which was born out opf my darkest hopurs in hopes to help give you wings.

For you man <3





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    #28614123 - 01/08/24 01:41 PM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

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you are getting the asante rante i never got in my darkest hours





Your overall message to vandago is true, Asante.
However, lots of people, myself included, gave you "the rant" during your darkest hours, multiple times even. 
So kindly don't paint all of us in a bad light as not having tried to help you...


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    #28614138 - 01/08/24 01:58 PM (20 days, 1 hour ago)

I deflected, Vandago deflects and that is a protective mechanism as part of the problem so i dont hold that against him one bit.

when in the sht yourself you have tunnel vision, we all do.

I intend these rants of motivational speaking as a zipline ride whih, if one one manages to take it at full velocity,l helps empower by overriding defenses, if one manages to.

resistance is high though cause i smack a 26min post on a 26 year problem.

There comes a point vandago quits. his point on his moment in time when he is ready. At that point he must dash with all his strength towards the finishline like a fast zombie to a kill, with zero energy invested in ifs and buts and everything into YES and MOREOVER.

100% Full Speed Ahead like Motörhead.





I want 2024 to be Vandago's Glory Year, but 100% on his terms so that he can say: "hey! i did that and kicked chantix to the curb in one go!"

your most difficult battle won is your greatest turbo boost for personal power.

I want that so bad for him, after 26 years of sucking cig.



Its not me being belligerent and intimidating, its me being a warhorse like "hop on my back and i'll run over trhe first battalions of Orcs and ride you to the heart of battle, where its all up to you."

Vandago is taking on the force of Darkness oppressing his life, nothing less than that.



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    #28614304 - 01/08/24 05:19 PM (19 days, 21 hours ago)

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i don't want to lecture you on ascesis when I've been a complete rectal inject mxe bend over backwards drug whore myself.

I want you to quit in your way, and preferably in a grand epic way because like i said, its your life story, your glory year when you do quit.

its ok to postpone it a but as long as the quit is resolute and definitive to give you the greatest personal power victory.

Gandalf vs balrog, you have been on this for 26 years, like i have.

Not everybody gets divine intervention shit of God telling you no and literally making you a way out of the wilderness like happened with me, but yes, totally do it your way and to thye max.

but i see the underminings riddled in your words. i ould highlight in red indicators of flaws in your mental programming.

the brain is code. you program it all the time.

quitting an addition itself is as painless as memorizing a p[hone number, its the auxiliaries that hurt.

you have programs running like iantdoit.exe and itsstrongerthanme.exe. You need tio overwrite that, which too is paiunless, abnd spam yourself with it until the balance sways top not smoking. once you do that, c1uitting cigs is painless.

quitting nicotine is no worse than the common cold. what hurts are the ifs and buts you unwittingly put up to defend not quitting.

I rant at you like some kind of loving hitler because all my signs are pointing in one direction. My train out of love for you, full of dynamite, roars over the tracks with nothing holding it back.

willpower isnty the horsepower of your engine, its having cleared all obstacles, so you dash through the freshly fallen snow like a canadian snow plow train.

You have that strength also if you clear the rubble first. Do that first and the quitting is a nonevent.

This is loving thunder, not blame games but ranting meant to empower you, to run along with you to cheer you on your path in your life. your 26 year marathon.

Finish it.


this is my uncle Piet finishing a 10 mile run 75 years of age.
hes in his 90s now.





you are getting the asante rante i never got in my darkest hours, but which was born out opf my darkest hopurs in hopes to help give you wings.

For you man <3





fcking this.




Despite the mxe boot start, I stuck around for your rant. I lost interest at gandolf.

For real the quitting isn’t going to be much of a problem. I would typically quit cold turkey and be a dick for a week. I don’t want to be a dick for a week. That’s really the only reason I’m taking chantix. I’m sacrificing nicotine fits for putrid nightmares. It’s a sacrifice. I don’t want to use this stuff. I just don’t have the means to take a vacation away from people right now. I don’t have the means to be impatient. This slow process relieves my loved ones of nicotine withdrawal.  Other times I quit were usually amidst traveling.


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    #28623215 - 01/16/24 09:57 AM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

I’m at 48 hours both no chantix, and no cigarettes.

I couldn’t take this broken sleep cycle and self cannibal dreams anymore. I was having some of the worst dreams, a lot that involved consuming my own flesh.

At a certain point the torture and the stench that cigarettes now provided were enough to just say fuck them both.

Going great. Haven’t even thought about one.

I hid a half a pack somewhere, and I can’t remember where. The thought process is that if I cave and go looking for them, by the time they’re found I will remember how stupid smoking one would be.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28623220 - 01/16/24 10:01 AM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

you could set the pack on fire and watch from a distance as the carcinogens spread into the atmosphere. fun
or just throw them away so you dont hurt yourself with them again.


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Re: Chantix [Re: huey.bluey]
    #28623540 - 01/16/24 01:52 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

Proverbially they are my Xanax on an acid trip. I never intend on taking the Xanax, and never do unless an extreme emergency occurs. These will provide my brain the same cushion as opposed to the ultimatum.

Not so sure why anyone is giving me advice here either. I’m doing this exactly as I have planned, so it works. In my plan quitting definitely is the final outcome. There’s no need to tweek or puppeteer what I’m doing. The thread was made to discuss chantix. Thanks though, I get it, but I got this.


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    #28623814 - 01/16/24 06:06 PM (11 days, 21 hours ago)

Well Vandago, i think i speak for most of us when i tell you we're very happy that you are taking the bull by the horns, as planned, and got it going great, as planned.

That's willpower right there and many admire it.

All that matters is for you doing that thing effectively, what we say is just garnishment, cheering the athlete as he runs the track that many of us ran or will run.

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Re: Chantix [Re: Asante]
    #28624176 - 01/17/24 03:25 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

If I was calm during this matter, I wouldn’t have been quitting.

So I’m allergic to everything in my state. I chopped smokes off for good. I have acquired rad bit of stuff from storage units and I’m now prospecting the country/world to see where a place to live may be that I can tolerate.

Now that I have science backing it, I do want to leave Ohio for good.


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago]
    #28632066 - 01/23/24 11:49 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago)

Ohh I got 4mg Nicorette mints and they feel less strong than the 2mg thrive mints, I only got Nicorette because it was on sale for the same price pretty much, nextime I'm going back for thrive


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