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vandago


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Chantix
#28565708 - 12/02/23 06:22 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Anyone tried it? Stories?
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PatrickKn


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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] 3
#28566819 - 12/03/23 02:02 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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I was prescribed it 8 years ago, for smoking cessation. The dreams were wild, probably some of the craziest dreams I've ever had. I did get some of the irrational anger/rage as a side effect. It worked to make you not crave nicotine very effectively while you're on it, but I don't think that lasted very long after the prescription was over. Cold turkey was more effective for quitting nicotine to me.
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Was actually typing this up first before responding to your last journal post, due to concern:
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* Re: Vandaddio!
Have you done the research on Chantix? It caused one of my worst psychotic states to date. Will assume you tried Welbutrin, Buspar?
Before my absolute rampage, there was a period of weeks that greatly messed with my ability to cope with stress, and I thought my head would explode, not knowing it would instead be a break. Not implying that's whats happening here, you have so much stress generating areas hitting simultaneously.
Would you be open to breathing exercises/do you still meditate?
Next time you get a pack of cigs, also grab a little tin of VELO-ever hear of/try? I recommend the orange one. They're little pouches for between gum and lip, and its the only thing that will properly substitute a cig for me.
And if you read, I'd recommend Allen Carr's, 'How to quit smoking the easy way.' They sent me 2 copies so lmk if you'd like to read it.
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Cblhantix was like sugar pills to me, had no effect, either on urge to smoke or side effects
Actually I was vaping not smoking at the time, I was trying to quit vaping, but it had no effect, patch paired with inhaler and mints are what was effective to get me off the vape
I used the inhalers by them selves for about a year after quit vaping, I stopped using those a month ago and now I just take a mint 1-3 times a day
I thinking about getting stronger mints, because i enjoyed the stronger mouth spray, but it was too expensive
I also had a idea to make my own mouth spray, as I have two bottles of 65mg/ml nicotine in my freezer, they are illegal in canada right now, I'm probably one of the few people who still have them, I should use them or give them away to someone who would like them
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 Another thing that helps is making up a blend and rolling your own.
Gotta put effort into the smoke break by rolling, (being more mindful) and can control the amount of tobacco.
Have used many different smokable medicinal plants. The above is my go to (before adding tobacco)- mullein, rose petals, lavender, and with tobacco, 100% organic. And wrapped with 100% hemp. Plus, loose tobacco is so much better quality, and fresher.
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I got these herbal smokes from amazon, they dont have the exact brand I got anymore, but I thought they were great, I liked going outside to smoke once in a while to break up sitting inside the whole time so I'd smoke a few of those per day
I still have a pack or two left
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Re: Chantix [Re: gopher]
#28566933 - 12/03/23 03:39 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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Good replies.
I have noticed rage in my head.
My dreams are out of control. I’m used to this though, so I embrace the madness. They’re extremely violent and crazy right now. Last night I can’t remember the plot, but I woke up 20 times… each time I successfully peeled one of my finger/toe nails off in the dream. Such derangement that I only went back to sleep to get the rest of the nails.
It’s working though. I’ve smoked a considerable amount less, and my desire to smoke has vanished. However, I still enjoy smoking. That’s the hard part. I just like being outside puffing a cigarette.
I also have my own blend of mullein base, I have cruddy herb to help, and none of its working. MXE works, but I not dare dose that drug as a parent. That drug is long dead to me.
At the rate the Chantix is going, I may succeed. I have a 3 month supply.
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PatrickKn said: ...The dreams were wild, probably some of the craziest dreams I've ever had. I did get some of the irrational anger/rage as a side effect....
That.. just sounds like nicotine withdrawal.
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Re: Chantix [Re: Lynnch] 1
#28567187 - 12/03/23 05:56 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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It’s the chantix for sure.
Nicotine withdrawal adds this irrationality and snapping…. Chantix is far more psychotic and “homocidal”
So far it’s actually prevented the irritable bs
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Chantix messes up your brain chemistry, it indeed causes abnormal dreams even with no nicotine to quit. It intoxicates, like you would expect from such a neonicotinoid structure.
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Re: Chantix [Re: Asante]
#28567299 - 12/03/23 06:48 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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It’s definitely a wild ride.
In worried about long term effects more than anything.
If you want good dreams, check out quviviq. It’s the holy grail of sleep.
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Hi, how's the cessation going- still taking Chantix?
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Was actually going to update this, but I had surgery yesterday and I’ve been prepping for it and recovering.
It’s working wonders.
The nightmares stopped around day 9-10. I notice no more side effects if I don’t smoke. If I do, cigarettes taste like burning live twigs. They’re not unsmokeable like Wellbutrin makes cigarettes, but they’re not enjoyable or relieving.
I’ve gone from 20 cigarettes a day down to 2-4. Which is actually manageable. Where I was became more than problematic. I have to use a smokers coat, and wash my hands 3 times with 3 different soaps, and brush and mouth wash every time. The process had become a job.
At this point I can catch a rando one when time approves and do it before shits or showers so I can already have to wash my hands and not worry.
At this rate I should be off them entirely. I’ve only had 5 in the last 3 days.
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I’m assuming it’s my hard head to most chemicals, but this drug is all side effects that make you feel so shitty you just have a hard time mustering up the need to smoke.
It’s got me down by 60% most of the time… and then something stressful happens, and it’s like I’m not on any meds, and cigarettes now taste like burnt rubber vomit.
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Chantix can activate some mental health issues Be aware Your dr should of told you Some people are fine Others struggle A lot
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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] 1
#28602034 - 12/29/23 09:41 AM (30 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Down by 60%... cool.. so are you going to actually quit or not?
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Re: Chantix [Re: Lynnch]
#28602142 - 12/29/23 11:35 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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My dad tried it and had some serious side effects.
But he quit smoking.
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Re: Chantix [Re: Rukus]
#28602178 - 12/29/23 11:53 AM (30 days, 3 hours ago) |
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I love how the structure is a symmetric ring system like nicotine, PCP and memantine.

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Re: Chantix [Re: vandago] 4
#28602775 - 12/29/23 10:35 PM (29 days, 16 hours ago) |
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vandago said: Was actually going to update this, but I had surgery yesterday and I’ve been prepping for it and recovering.
It’s working wonders.
The nightmares stopped around day 9-10. I notice no more side effects if I don’t smoke. If I do, cigarettes taste like burning live twigs. They’re not unsmokeable like Wellbutrin makes cigarettes, but they’re not enjoyable or relieving.
I’ve gone from 20 cigarettes a day down to 2-4. Which is actually manageable. Where I was became more than problematic. I have to use a smokers coat, and wash my hands 3 times with 3 different soaps, and brush and mouth wash every time. The process had become a job.
At this point I can catch a rando one when time approves and do it before shits or showers so I can already have to wash my hands and not worry.
At this rate I should be off them entirely. I’ve only had 5 in the last 3 days.
Personally I don't think nicotine is much of a stress reliever. I think it really just causes stress when you're in minor withdrawal and makes us feel like it helps us cope with stress, when in reality it's exacerbating the stress and causing stress in otherwise unstressful situations. . I'm way less anxious and stressed since quitting nicotine completely.
If you're genuinely trying to quit and feel you're close, you really need to throw all your smoking stuff away in a dumpster somewhere. Smokes, lighters, ash trays, vape gear and juice, dip, etc - literally just all of it - just needs to not be around at all so you're not compulsively consuming it while it's within arms reach. No point having it around if you're trying to stop using it. If you can't part with it or feel like you need emergency stashes somewhere, you'll likely just be smoking habitually again at the first opportunity.
Edited by PatrickKn (12/29/23 10:44 PM)
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