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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: imachavel] 1
#28567341 - 12/03/23 07:16 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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For the future: All money is debt. That is what money is, it is a medium of exchange...which means that it is "universal debt". However much money you have in your pocket is how much everybody owes you, for the work you did to earn that money. You can exchange that money for goods and services, to "balance" your account.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: imachavel]
#28568770 - 12/04/23 07:23 PM (1 month, 23 days ago) |
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The value of ones work becomes less and less per man-hour, the longer you keep it in your pocket, which for most people is the bank. If that money in you pocket is borrowed money then there's interest. Winners but mostly losers in this game but really, all lose.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: imachavel]
#28594696 - 12/23/23 02:40 AM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28603647 - 12/30/23 06:02 PM (28 days, 6 hours ago) |
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imachavel said: Okay let me rephrase the question. Once upon time governments used to be wealthier than the companies that resided in the countries that the government's presided over. This is obviously been a long time since it existed in this way. How long ago was it?
Now you look up companies and some companies are like a trillion dollars or more some hotels like to stay the night in the hotel can cost like $10,000 or $20,000 or $30,000 for one night that's like more than a person's whole rent or a down payment on a mortgage on a really expensive house in fact it's even more money than some houses used to be even if it was a long time ago that you could buy a house that cheap.
Like you said governments are so in debt all they do is print money they can't even pay themself off. But there are companies now that are like more wealthy in general than like half the countries in the world they're not just major governments. I'm surprised we still have governments with constitutions and laws and balance of power in some format or another?
Is it just more convenient for there to be governments to do things to rule a people? I'm surprised companies don't just take up arms and overthrow the world and oppose the government says the governments wouldn't have the money to pay for the armies to stop the companies anyway if the companies had more money then the government. I feel like companies are worth more than governments now so much worth more that it's not even comparable to even consider that the government could be as powerful as the company.
Like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg pretending they are going to do an MMA match almost seems comical to me. It's almost like they could if they wanted have armies fight over each other in like World War 3 or something.
But if Zuckerberg gets a subpoena to show before Congress he shows up. Which is almost comical because he's almost worth more than the US government itself anyway. LOL why does he even show up for that crap why doesn't he just buy the military or something and then take over the country?
I realize that these are somewhat exaggerated eccentric questions to begin with. I realize you can only answer these exaggerated eccentric questions with an exaggerated eccentric answer. It's so wildly theoretical to think that any one person could be worth so much money that they could oppose the government just because of how rich they are. Obviously there are many checks and balances in our system of power they probably wouldn't even allow such said rich person to go and make such a withdrawal from their Bank they just buy a bunch of militants and weapons and oppose the government anyway.
But I'm just saying in theory is it possible to people using Facebook could Finance World War III and them going on their site and liking something and sharing something and getting views could potentially generate so many trillions of dollars that they seal their own fate looking up stupid crap on Facebook and get their crap blown the fuck up in World War III?
I'm just saying it's laughable but it doesn't seem entirely like out of the range of reality to begin with 
What do ya think?
Never thought about it before (except the cage fight that never happened. Other than the collateral damage to innocents, I'm all for a world war between Facebook and X and the rest of Musk empire.
I never liked Zuckerberg, but it was only mild loathing. I used to think Musk was a visionary genius with powers beyond my comprehension. Now I think he's one of the world's biggest fucking assholes. He's smarter than me so he must know but not care that he's destroying his businesses for vanity reasons. Hope he succeeds at that. If he continues to be richest in the world, blame the world.
Why is Musk an asshole to you? If he wants to destroy his businesses, that doesn't harm you in any way...
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: imachavel]
#28603686 - 12/30/23 06:33 PM (28 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Why the fuck would multinational corporations want to run governments? Far better to outsource the work. You can retain your assets and your image while different governments in different countries do your bidding. Sometimes rigging the legal system, sometimes rounding up labor leaders. Just kinda depends which part of the world you're in.
Also, two words: interlocking directorate. You don't need a conspiracy theory to look at who golfs with who, which families are connected by marriage, which public figures own stock in which defense contractors, etc.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: B Traven]
#28603708 - 12/30/23 06:48 PM (28 days, 5 hours ago) |
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The US government is almost 100% dependant on private enterprise, say, in manufacturing. Do you feel this should be done by the federal government?
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28613396 - 01/07/24 08:31 PM (20 days, 4 hours ago) |
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If the US government is dependent on private enterprise, and private capital refuses to enterprise, should the US government step in?
We kind of see this with Walmart being directly subsidized with food stamps...which are spent at the same walmart.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28613756 - 01/08/24 07:32 AM (19 days, 17 hours ago) |
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The government would require a manufactured good or service which creates a tantalizing market for said private enterprise. Why would they not want to make money? The situation of refusal would be incredibly rare.
Moreover, the Defense Production Act has been used throughout history to direct and streamline production, think the president used it during Covid.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28614238 - 01/08/24 03:53 PM (19 days, 8 hours ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: a tantalizing market for said private enterprise
More often than not nowadays, it seems that the way this is achieved is by simply paying private enterprise directly, and hoping they do something. Foxconn comes to mind.
In general, creating goods does not seem like a winner nowadays. It is often much more profitable to push money around on a spreadsheet, and collect government subsidies.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Kryptos]
#28614375 - 01/08/24 06:26 PM (19 days, 6 hours ago) |
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This thread reminds me of an old thread of mine, where I recommended we eat the rich. I still stand by that thread. We really.. really should... They have been fucking shit up for the rest of us for quite long enough.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28614377 - 01/08/24 06:28 PM (19 days, 6 hours ago) |
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The rich have been carrying you for years
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28614381 - 01/08/24 06:32 PM (19 days, 6 hours ago) |
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Enlil said: The rich have been carrying you for years
Nah, the working class carries the rich. You've got it all backwards, friend.
And they've been fucking up our politics and government institutions for decades now. They fucked up the housing market. They robbed America blind with their PPP loans... I'm sorry, but you're just flat out incorrect.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28614480 - 01/08/24 08:15 PM (19 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Most ppp fraud I’m aware of is from small business owners and regular idiots.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: mushboy]
#28614522 - 01/08/24 08:44 PM (19 days, 3 hours ago) |
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mushboy said: Most ppp fraud I’m aware of is from small business owners and regular idiots.
I'm not talking about fraud. They use their wealth to influence policy, which allowed them to rob the American people. The whole PPP loan situation was the wealthy robbing the poor. You should see the list of senators who get hundreds of thousands of dollars, even millions in free PPP money..
Beyond that... Blackrock is buying up houses in America, and raising the rent all across America. Rich people are poisoning the well.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#28614551 - 01/08/24 09:08 PM (19 days, 3 hours ago) |
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The owner of my company totally robbed PPP then two years later we went out of business. Pretty sweet. Thanks, Trump.
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Re: If most companies now are larger than World governments? [Re: christopera]
#28615193 - 01/09/24 12:24 PM (18 days, 12 hours ago) |
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christopera said: The owner of my company totally robbed PPP then two years later we went out of business. Pretty sweet. Thanks, Trump.
Thanks... Trump?
Are you fucking serious!?!
There are a lot more people than "Trump" to thank for that fucking horse shit! Trump isn't a fucking legislator.
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