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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Thomas Envisio]
    #28264395 - 04/05/23 10:25 PM (9 months, 18 days ago)

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the medical system in the States is pretty out of whack




I would call it criminal on multiple levels.



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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Pentacorn]
    #28277711 - 04/14/23 04:28 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

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[ I'd love to give the mushrooms out freely to my friends (there was ALOT growing on that log, haha) to test my hypothesis but, you know, it would suck if I hurt a bunch of people.






If you have friends that would enjoy them give them away with the disclaimer and let them know what concerned you upfront.
Recommend that they are tested with a MICROdose if they are gonna try em.  Maybe limit them with a sample of same size you already partook in(so as to make sure they don't partake too heavily)

You might just verify that you are the oddity in the equation here....?
Otherwise without further scientific testing on those specific specimens everything is just speculation.

Bummer to hear of your troubles but at least the conversation brought up a ton of material for us to go dig through and soak up now🧐


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Moria841]
    #28497211 - 10/09/23 12:56 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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This is just anectodal fear-mongering, hate to say it :thumbdown: I empathize with you and your conditions man, i have chronic conditions that beat my ass too, but it wasn't the Gymns. There's other answers, talk to a doctor




Hello.  First of all, nice pics everyone who is finding these.

I believe the OP is correct.

Ive experimented with this mushroom a few times and Gymnopilus luteofolius and wanted to comment.  I too get the head pressure thing, and more intensely from Gym luteofolius which would make sense since I believe they are a bit less potent on average, possibly because of growing conditions (they tolerate dryer habitat)

I have never felt any effect so aweful that I would otherwise report it as a toxin.  Its almost kind of in the back of my eyes feeling and maybe a slight hangover the next day but no more than the feeling of drinking a six pack.

I think some people are just more sensitive to different things.  I've always wondered about this.

There is even rumors about nasty allergic reactions I have heard from people eating this family of mushrooms so its a good idea to be careful with new mushrooms that you have never tried before.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Thomas Envisio]
    #28497444 - 10/09/23 10:03 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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the medical system in the States is pretty out of whack




I would call it criminal on multiple levels.




You'd be hard pressed to find a doctor to actually help you.  9/10 would immediately discount your symptoms and chalk it up to drug use.  I mean if you told most doctors that you go mushroom hunting in the woods and pick and eat mushrooms that have psychedelic and potentially toxic effects, he'll just write that down and that'll be that.  Maybe he'll try and stick you on some anti depressant or other drug they collect a kick back for signing your a prescription for. 

It's unfortunate, but I've found that 9/10 doctors i've met with I need to lie too.  It sucks, because the level of care crashes down, but so it goes.  I've only ever found one good doctor who was incredibly intelligent, wise, and understanding.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Notwhouthink]
    #28497526 - 10/09/23 11:39 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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It's unfortunate, but I've found that 9/10 doctors i've met with I need to lie too.  It sucks, because the level of care crashes down, but so it goes.




Ya man, all the doctors I used to work with were so overwhelmed with patients that they couldn't possibly find the time to read through research papers discussing the potential benefits of psychedelics. Instead they just write a prescription for a medication and move on to the next patient.


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This is just anectodal fear-mongering, hate to say it :thumbdown: I empathize with you and your conditions man, i have chronic conditions that beat my ass too, but it wasn't the Gymns. There's other answers, talk to a doctor




I believe the OP is correct.

Ive experimented with this mushroom a few times and Gymnopilus luteofolius and wanted to comment.  I too get the head pressure thing, and more intensely from Gym luteofolius...






I found a bunch more (same log) this fall and unfortunately have to agree with my initial assessment. According to my journal I didn't take G.Luteus for over 8 months and had basically forgotten about the head pressure. After finding a bunch this fall I was super excited again and I took a 1.5g dose. My head pressure is back. Coincidence? Maybe. But it is enough for me to wait  until this species is studied more before I consume more of it.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Pentacorn]
    #28512435 - 10/20/23 10:47 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Warning: the following post contains anecdotes and conjecture.

Headaches after consuming Gyms is a real thing. It hasn't happened to me, but my girlfriend gets them consistently. It only seems to happen when she consumes Gyms (but not Psilocybe), and appears to be independent of dosage.

Based on reports from those who have experienced this type of reaction to Gyms, I would categorize this as a non-toxic, non-immune-mediated, hypersensitivity reaction. Meaning that it does not seem likely that the reaction is due to toxicity from psilocin or other intoxicating tryptamines present in Gymnopilus, nor do any of the described symptoms correlate with IgE-mediated immune responses (no flushing, dyspnea, hypotension, or other signs of anaphylaxis).

Whatever is causing these effects is at least somewhat water soluble, because preparing the mushrooms as a tea does not prevent the headaches. Only a subset of the population seems to experience these symptoms, and I'd estimate that percentage as being around 10%. However, consuming Gymnopilus does seem to reliably trigger reactions for those affected by this hypersensitivity, while those who are not experience no ill effects.

This is looking a lot like the hypersensitivity reactions to red wine or chocolate that are attributed to polyphenolic flavonoids and tannins. All species of Gymnopilus are known to produce the styrylpyrone-class polyphenols bis-noryangonin and hispidin. These polyphenols (along with others) contribute to the yellow-orange pigmentation, unique aroma, and bitterness indicative of many Gymnopilus species. Although these substances are generally regarded as non-toxic and potentially beneficial to health, it is quite probable that they may also trigger hypersensitivity reactions for some part of the population.

It should also be noted that polyphenols are known to interfere with the metabolism of certain classes of drugs. This is why people who take statins are told to avoid grapefruit juice, for instance. If you currently take any medication that carries a warning about potential interactions with polyphenols, you should probably consider that before consuming Gymnopilus.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Lignicolous]
    #28512615 - 10/21/23 07:24 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

To be perfectly honest, I get some sort of headache probably 50% of the time I take any psychedelic, including from Gymns, Ovoids, Cubensis, etc. etc.

I find your analysis interesting though and I'll look into the matter further myself.

If anyone else has personally experienced Gymns, contribute here, or you can DM me if you're more comfortable with that, and give a brief overview of your experience(s), species consumed, habitat/conditions, dosage, preparation, duration of side-effects (if any), and any other info you feel is important so that we can collect more data. This is something I've been meaning to do for a while anyways.

Also, I would wonder if anyone has tried non-bluing, non-psilocybin Gymn species and had any negative (or positive) effects from those since we still don't know the full chemical profiles of Gymns-- the polyphenols indicated are produced by a very wide range of fungi and plants, and we DON'T know for sure if they are produced by ALL Gymnopilus species. Only one or two studies have published findings of those chemicals in "G. spectabilis," before the species complex was revised. They also mentioned psilocybin, leading me believe the species actually tested was G. orientispectabilis


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Moria841]
    #28512710 - 10/21/23 08:50 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Could it be substrate based? Certain toxins or something in certain kinds of hardwood substrates?


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Dandurn777]
    #28512751 - 10/21/23 09:09 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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Could it be substrate based? Certain toxins or something in certain kinds of hardwood substrates?



Much more likely to be a secondary metabolite produced by the fungi.

This looks very much like an intolerance reaction rather than one caused by a toxin, as it does not affect everyone. I drank the same tea as my girlfriend, she gets the headaches straight away, and I've never experienced them, regardless of dosage.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Moria841]
    #28512802 - 10/21/23 09:50 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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Also, I would wonder if anyone has tried non-bluing, non-psilocybin Gymn species and had any negative (or positive) effects from those since we still don't know the full chemical profiles of Gymns-- the polyphenols indicated are produced by a very wide range of fungi and plants, and we DON'T know for sure if they are produced by ALL Gymnopilus species. Only one or two studies have published findings of those chemicals in "G. spectabilis," before the species complex was revised. They also mentioned psilocybin, leading me believe the species actually tested was G. orientispectabilis



I totally agree with what you're saying here. Just so you know where I was coming from with the statement that, "all Gyms contain bis-noryangonin and hispidin," I was basing that largely on Rees, Bettye J. (1996), which is admittedly old and focused on Australian species. However, I believe 37 Gymnopilus species were shown to contain those styrylpyrones, and the conclusion was that presence of those pigments was a reliable way to distinguish Gymnopilus from Galerina.

I believe supplements containing hispidin are available, generally marketed as "Black Hoof Mushroom Extract" or "Phellinus linteus", even though the actual species being provided may be up for debate. We could see if taking that triggers headaches in those that demonstrate the intolerance reaction to Gyms.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Moria841]
    #28556647 - 11/26/23 01:34 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

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To be perfectly honest, I get some sort of headache probably 50% of the time I take any psychedelic, including from Gymns, Ovoids, Cubensis, etc. etc.

I find your analysis interesting though and I'll look into the matter further myself.

If anyone else has personally experienced Gymns, contribute here, or you can DM me if you're more comfortable with that, and give a brief overview of your experience(s), species consumed, habitat/conditions, dosage, preparation, duration of side-effects (if any), and any other info you feel is important so that we can collect more data. This is something I've been meaning to do for a while anyways.

Also, I would wonder if anyone has tried non-bluing, non-psilocybin Gymn species and had any negative (or positive) effects from those since we still don't know the full chemical profiles of Gymns-- the polyphenols indicated are produced by a very wide range of fungi and plants, and we DON'T know for sure if they are produced by ALL Gymnopilus species. Only one or two studies have published findings of those chemicals in "G. spectabilis," before the species complex was revised. They also mentioned psilocybin, leading me believe the species actually tested was G. orientispectabilis




Moria I still eat those Gymnopilus liquiritiae I posted on you're gymn. thread.

And I'll grab 2-3 quarter size or so caps and the accompanied stem with a few beers and its great.
Not particularly crazy trippy but I haven't been bold with like 10g's. I get the giggles and a good few times will literally laugh my ass off by myself for no freakin reason, and I mean like belly aching laughing, eyes watering, barely breathing shit(literally like 2-3 times this vacation lol) Definitely would love to find somewhere to send samples to find out the bio-actives, and do a bold dose with just them by themselves an see.
Cause it's like a really nice serotonin boost.
I actually found these yesterday, definitely way past there prime. And been soaked and frozen multiple times as the temp fluxion. First time I found a dense cluster of them too.




And these again found to late. A month ago maybe.



And how they look young and dry ish..









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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: XnMe]
    #28557351 - 11/26/23 02:54 PM (2 months, 18 hours ago)

Anybody else get the effect that viewing a bunch of gym pics, makes them wanna go home and brew gym tea? I've been doing some reading today and that's been the effect on me. Lol

Though the heat flush I occasionally experience from this particular species I have now isn't really so desired. Only report I've read of it came from another user here, not surprisingly also within my same state, and working outdoors as I do. I won't consume them when working anymore as I will small doses of other mushrooms. A furnace inside you with no high limit thermostat and no way to shut it down, sucks horribly. Only time I've ever had real concerns of being near a heat stroke...

Likely caused by the species being weak or near inactive since I have to take such a high dose. 5 grams dry was a threshold dose of the species if I remember when first finding it. As I like to partake often, it got to be no ordeal for me to consume 11grams dry when I've got no plans on walking. Never any cev or oev from them but the most hellacious body buzz from anything I've found safe to ingest. And they came in plenties for quite a while.

Sitting on about 30g dry now chewing a hole in my consciousness from afar now that I'm outta town. If finances left from family's cancer diagnosis and trying to get treatment started weren't so fucked up I'd deposit some into an herbarium for the scope work. But thus is life:drysmash:


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: kochab]
    #28557498 - 11/26/23 04:54 PM (2 months, 16 hours ago)

Cool info/research done on gymnopilins, found in none psilocybin containing gymn type in Japan.

Had me interested of the activities in the pc12 adrenal cromaffin cells in rats.
As well as the receptors they say are targeted deal with motor control amongst other things, fun stuff.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260043066_Gymnopilins_a_product_of_a_hallucinogenic_mushroom_inhibit_the_nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor


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    #28558798 - 11/27/23 07:46 PM (1 month, 30 days ago)

I'd like to share my 2 cents, I've had Gymnopilus subspectabilis on 5 occasions of those I've experienced a slight headache maybe 40% of the time.  I seem to experience it at the peak and then it goes away at the end.  I've only experimented with dosages around 2 - 2.5g but even doses that low they still provide you with quite a euphoric body buzz that lasts around 4 hrs.  I also feel it gives you this state of absolute calmness/peace, like the total absence of anxiety.



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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: anonimushi]
    #28559021 - 11/28/23 02:17 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

So 1.75 times out of 5 you’ve had a headache 😉 lol


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: Bardy]
    #28559286 - 11/28/23 10:14 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

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So 1.75 times out of 5 you’ve had a headache 😉 lol




Meant 40% my bad lol.


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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: anonimushi]
    #28563435 - 12/01/23 08:16 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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one of the most intense trips ive ever had was from about 110-ish FRESH grams of gymnopilus luteofolious maybe? (could have been 2 different varieties, one was real dark purply the other was super bright yellow. it was made into tea and split in half between me and my girl (one tall cup each). the trip also lasted almost 2 days, you can definitely tell theres other things than just the psilocybin in them. i usually feel a slight speedy/amphetamine boost from gyms. also expect some vividly realistic strange dreams that you can remember.

on the flip side though there has been a time or two where we used like 80-ish fresh grams and only felt it mildly. er on the side of caution though from my experience gyms can vary wildly




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Re: WARNING! Gymnopilus Luteus negative effects after consumption... [Re: 6The6Despised6One]
    #28564360 - 12/01/23 07:55 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

That’s really interesting. I wonder if anyone has done analysis on Gymns and detected any other unique tryptamines or something?


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