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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563165 - 12/01/23 01:07 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Absolutely.
Some people use it in an unhealthy way.



Do you know about cannabis hyperemesis syndrome?

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The marijuana industry is a multi billion dollar industry. If marijuana became federally legalized. A lot of that money would be back in our hands. Because there would be a flood in the market. People would be able to produce their own product.




This is confusing. There marijuana industry is trying to keep it from being legalized?

Anecdotal, but where I live it's been legalized. People buy from dispensaries. Some people grow, but most I talk to do not.

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This would take away money from wealthy people. That don’t like giving away any money.

Those people are willing to pay some of their billions of dollars. To make more money in the future. By taking away my freedoms. And making me pay more money for something that I should be able to grow in my backyard right now.



The marijuana industry seems to be suffering from it not being legal at the federal level. Legal states have a surplus that they can't sell out of state due to prohibition at the federal level.
https://apnews.com/article/cannabis-marijuana-420-e11c85fbaa6f0b82c1b0aa52312c4187


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That is the money that I am referencing when I am talking about the bribes…

So when you ask for proof of the bribery. That would be very difficult. Because if there’s that much money involved. People could get murdered to make sure that no one finds out about high bribes.




This is something like appeal to ignorance

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Breaking bad levels of money in this industry right now. And there are people that are setting up Fake stories for us to think marijuana can hurt and kill people.

So that they can keep making money.
By screwing you and me over.




More money to be made from federal legalization I think. Any manufacturers can be raided by the Fed as of now. They've had trouble finding banks to handle their money due to federal prohibition. They get robbed because they've had to do cash transactions as opposed to digital.
"Currently, thirty-seven states, the District of Columbia, Guam and Puerto Rico have all legalized the use of marijuana to some degree. Yet the possession, distribution or sale of marijuana remains illegal under federal law, which means any contact with money that can be traced back to state marijuana operations could be considered money laundering and expose a bank to significant legal, operational and regulatory risk."
https://www.aba.com/advocacy/our-issues/cannabis
This doesn't seem to fit your narrative


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There was even another story posted in the same place that this thread is. Talking about some guy who had jars of DMT. And then some police officer went through the entire crime scene and sprinkled fentanyl in  everything.
That sounds like something a dumb cop would do.
Because that was also propaganda. Way less financed propaganda. Lower tier than even this.



I'm not sure you know what propaganda means


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563176 - 12/01/23 01:17 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I think I know what it means better than you do. Go look at my previous comments.

Scapegoat list. Drugs, musicians, art, video games.

You need to stop trying to convince me your propaganda is anything other than what it is.
I’ve done an excellent job explaining to you how it is terrible propaganda. You have not done anything to convince me it isn’t.

The burden of proof is not on me. So stop asking me to prove my things. She’s the person who went psycho and killed. She is the one that has to prove that marijuana. Had anything to do with it. I bet that can’t be done…

Do you know why?
Because that is not the case.
It is a lie.
That is propaganda.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563180 - 12/01/23 01:23 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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How about this gem. Because I need to prove this to you.

“My son is a serial killer because of video games…”

Sure he is. And I’m the king of the sea.
But only when I’m on the toilet.

These are scapegoats. Do you see anything in common amongst them?

These are our freedoms. Our methods of expression. Our methods of communication. They are trying to take that away from us with some ridiculous made up nonsense. They’ll cherry pick the most insane person who has ever listened to an insane clown posse CD.

They will find the school shooter that played call of duty.

It is propaganda, plain and simple. I am tired of it. It exhausts me. It makes me want to fight people…

I am done.

I have proven everything I needed to.
There is a plethora of evidence.
Every single thing that I’ve said has happened before. You can find cases of everything I’ve said.
Don’t let it happen again please.
:ciaolosers:




All this is red herring.
I'll entertain I guess. You don't have to cherry pick these stories. You shoot up a school or kill someone with an axe; you'll make the news.

As far as I can tell, we still have call of duty and icp.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563183 - 12/01/23 01:25 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

Because the propaganda didn’t work, dude!

Most people can tell that is not true.

People don’t kill because they play call of duty.

The guy did not go psycho because he listened to insane clown posse.

This woman did not murder somebody because of marijuana.

I can’t make this anymore clear.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563187 - 12/01/23 01:30 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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I think I know what it means better than you do. Go look at my previous comments.

Scapegoat list. Drugs, musicians, art, video games.

You need to stop trying to convince me your propaganda is anything other than what it is.
I’ve done an excellent job explaining to you how it is terrible propaganda. You have not done anything to convince me it isn’t.

The burden of proof is not on me. So stop asking me to prove my things. She’s the person who went psycho and killed. She is the one that has to prove that marijuana. Had anything to do with it. I bet that can’t be done…

Do you know why?
Because that is not the case.
It is a lie.
That is propaganda.




The burden of proof is on you. You are the one claiming to know better. You've made some grand claims and refused to provide any proof. The best you can do is something like "everyone knows" or "it just is"


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563188 - 12/01/23 01:32 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Because the propaganda didn’t work, dude!

Most people can tell that is not true.




Then what're you so worried about?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563189 - 12/01/23 01:32 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

OK officer.
:trollcop:

If everything I’ve said, wasn’t enough to prove that isn’t true. Then there is no helping you.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563191 - 12/01/23 01:33 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

Wow! I read through this whole thing and it's clear to me that there are a few baseless assumptions that most are making:

First, calling this propaganda is an interesting choice.

There is definitely an abundance of propaganda out there, to be sure. But just because something says something you don't like, that does not make that thing propaganda.

prop·a·gan·da
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See definitions in:
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information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"

For something to be propaganda, there must be a particular underlying motive intending to sway a particular audience in a particular way.

This is a news piece. It is reporting something that happened. It is fairly matter-of-fact in tone. There is no mention at all whatsoever of anyone wanting to do anything about marijuana consumption, legality, or access.

There is no judgement placed for nor against the defendant by the journalist. If anything, there is a very faint air of skepticism of her story.

This is simply a report of a thing that happened.

Everyone getting worked up about it being propaganda needs to take a deep breath. No one is trying to take away anyone's drugs, freedom, or anything else. (At least not in this context.)

We live in a complicated universe where things can be both good and bad. Marijuana can be good for many people. It can be bad for other people.

Just like any other drug, some people can have adverse reactions.

I am personally of the opinion that all recreational drugs should be legalized and researched more. I am not trying to argue that marijuana is bad. I think it's extremely beneficial for a lot of people in a lot of circumstances and is overall safer than nicotine and alcohol, along with myriad prescription drugs whose side effects can be horrendous.

HOWEVER, I personally also have experienced episodes of delusional and somewhat psychotic breaks from consuming only small amounts of marijuana. I have had delusions of reference in which I thought TV's or radios were telling me things, and they were not good things. It was terrifying.

In fact, if I had to estimate, the majority of the times I have tried marijuana have been unpleasant and resulted in various levels of anxiety and paranoia.

So I don't think it's impossible for someone to experience a psychotic break due to consuming too much.

Whether or not you want to blame it on the individual for being "crazy" beforehand.... Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but all the people who are diagnosed "crazies" have a first episode that is brought on by something.  Nobody is crazy... Until you are.

I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)

Now, shall I keep going?  I could post numbers of how many people will obtain a diagnosis of anxiety or depression in their life if you dispute the claim that it's a large number.

Of that subset, some may use marijuana. If their symptoms happen to converge in an unfortunate way, that person could perhaps experience an exacerbated psychotic break under the effect of the drug.

Why is this so unbelievable or objectionable?

Also, all the judgement about this woman is pretty telling. Yeah, maybe you are right and she premeditated the idea to get high and ruin her life by killing the things she was pretending to love because... Reasons?

Or maybe she really did have a horrific experience where she thought she was dead and heard voices telling her that she had to do this horrible thing to get out of this nightmare she was experiencing.

Can you imagine how horrific and traumatic that would be? No?  Just step outside your "this is propaganda" mindset for one moment and entertain the notion that this really happened the way she claimed.

This woman's life is wrecked and she killed the things she loved. Because she had an adverse reaction to a drug. This shit happens with all kinds of drugs, things as simple as antibiotics can and have caused some people to become almost completely paralyzed and in horrific pain for the rest of their lives. I can cite a particular case of this which I listened to on a popular podcast not long ago, if anyone would like.

Marijuana is a drug, and people are all different. I don't think this means that it should be illegal or restricted or anything. But I do think that is possible for things to be both good and bad at the same time.  Anyone who doesn't is the one trying to sell you some propaganda.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563194 - 12/01/23 01:38 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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OK officer.
:trollcop:

If everything I’ve said, wasn’t enough to prove that isn’t true. Then there is no helping you.




You've not said anything that would qualify as proof.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
    #28563196 - 12/01/23 01:41 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

So you don’t see any correlation between any of those things I said, and this propaganda piece? No tangent at all?
I have tried my hardest. And you refuse to acknowledge any of this stuff that I’ve been telling you. You just keep telling me how marijuana psychosis exists. How you’re completely convinced of this propaganda being your truth.
So either you are trolling. Or you are completely beyond reason.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: jadedkarma]
    #28563197 - 12/01/23 01:42 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Wow! I read through this whole thing and it's clear to me that there are a few baseless assumptions that most are making:

First, calling this propaganda is an interesting choice.

There is definitely an abundance of propaganda out there, to be sure. But just because something says something you don't like, that does not make that thing propaganda.

prop·a·gan·da
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See definitions in:
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information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"

For something to be propaganda, there must be a particular underlying motive intending to sway a particular audience in a particular way.

This is a news piece. It is reporting something that happened. It is fairly matter-of-fact in tone. There is no mention at all whatsoever of anyone wanting to do anything about marijuana consumption, legality, or access.

There is no judgement placed for nor against the defendant by the journalist. If anything, there is a very faint air of skepticism of her story.

This is simply a report of a thing that happened.

Everyone getting worked up about it being propaganda needs to take a deep breath. No one is trying to take away anyone's drugs, freedom, or anything else. (At least not in this context.)

We live in a complicated universe where things can be both good and bad. Marijuana can be good for many people. It can be bad for other people.

Just like any other drug, some people can have adverse reactions.

I am personally of the opinion that all recreational drugs should be legalized and researched more. I am not trying to argue that marijuana is bad. I think it's extremely beneficial for a lot of people in a lot of circumstances and is overall safer than nicotine and alcohol, along with myriad prescription drugs whose side effects can be horrendous.

HOWEVER, I personally also have experienced episodes of delusional and somewhat psychotic breaks from consuming only small amounts of marijuana. I have had delusions of reference in which I thought TV's or radios were telling me things, and they were not good things. It was terrifying.

In fact, if I had to estimate, the majority of the times I have tried marijuana have been unpleasant and resulted in various levels of anxiety and paranoia.

So I don't think it's impossible for someone to experience a psychotic break due to consuming too much.

Whether or not you want to blame it on the individual for being "crazy" beforehand.... Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but all the people who are diagnosed "crazies" have a first episode that is brought on by something.  Nobody is crazy... Until you are.

I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)

Now, shall I keep going?  I could post numbers of how many people will obtain a diagnosis of anxiety or depression in their life if you dispute the claim that it's a large number.

Of that subset, some may use marijuana. If their symptoms happen to converge in an unfortunate way, that person could perhaps experience an exacerbated psychotic break under the effect of the drug.

Why is this so unbelievable or objectionable?

Also, all the judgement about this woman is pretty telling. Yeah, maybe you are right and she premeditated the idea to get high and ruin her life by killing the things she was pretending to love because... Reasons?

Or maybe she really did have a horrific experience where she thought she was dead and heard voices telling her that she had to do this horrible thing to get out of this nightmare she was experiencing.

Can you imagine how horrific and traumatic that would be? No?  Just step outside your "this is propaganda" mindset for one moment and entertain the notion that this really happened the way she claimed.

This woman's life is wrecked and she killed the things she loved. Because she had an adverse reaction to a drug. This shit happens with all kinds of drugs, things as simple as antibiotics can and have caused some people to become almost completely paralyzed and in horrific pain for the rest of their lives. I can cite a particular case of this which I listened to on a popular podcast not long ago, if anyone would like.

Marijuana is a drug, and people are all different. I don't think this means that it should be illegal or restricted or anything. But I do think that is possible for things to be both good and bad at the same time.  Anyone who doesn't is the one trying to sell you some propaganda.




Another propagandist I see


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28563200 - 12/01/23 01:46 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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So you don’t see any correlation between any of those things I said, and this propaganda piece? No tangent at all?
I have tried my hardest. And you refuse to acknowledge any of this stuff that I’ve been telling you. You just keep telling me how marijuana psychosis exists. How you’re completely convinced of this propaganda being your truth.
So either you are trolling. Or you are completely beyond reason.
:imout:




I've broken your posts up and acknowledged and responded to each piece.
Again, you don't seem to know what propaganda means


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28563656 - 12/01/23 11:28 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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That's not her family. Omelia was her boyfriend's family. You missed stuff. She was subject to interviews and psychological testing. The results were interpreted by a licensed psychologist. Both the defense's and the prosecution's psychologists were in agreement. All those definitions I listed, the expert's testimony is admissable as evidence. If you want the nitty gritty, I've looked but can't find mohandie's report.




You're right, my mistake about the family.
Okay, so ALL of the evidence is the following:

1. Tested positive for THC
2. Video of her acting possessed.
3. Psychological interviews/testing that concluded in her having psychosis.

Did I word #3 correctly?  Did the interviews/tests conclude general psychosis or a more specific marijuana-induced psychosis?
What is the "nitty gritty" you speak of?  Her actual answers to the questions on the tests/interviews?







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I think she’s a somewhat intelligent psychopath. That was concealing her insanity. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t insane the whole time. She’s a loon. Why are you trying so hard to defend this absolutely insane woman who stabbed her husband 108 times and then then murdered a poor dog. That has nothing to do with marijuana at all.




I appreciate what GenericHero is doing here.  They are just following the facts as they see it.  Maybe they are a lawyer or something, but don't have to be.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: jadedkarma] * 1
    #28563673 - 12/01/23 11:37 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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jadedkarma said:I personally also have experienced episodes of delusional and somewhat psychotic breaks from consuming only small amounts of marijuana. I have had delusions of reference in which I thought TV's or radios were telling me things, and they were not good things. It was terrifying.

In fact, if I had to estimate, the majority of the times I have tried marijuana have been unpleasant and resulted in various levels of anxiety and paranoia.

So I don't think it's impossible for someone to experience a psychotic break due to consuming too much.




Obviously, you need to never touch marijuana or shrooms or any psychedelic drug unless you want to end up like the girl in this story.  I wonder if the girl in this story was like you in that she knew weed made her feel weird, yet she used it anyways?




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I have ADHD, depression and anxiety. It is not widely known but "just" depression and anxiety can cause people to have transient psychotic symptoms and/or delusions when under high levels of stress or other risk factors. (Of which marijuana is a well known one -- I can cite sources for this if you doubt it.)




Yes, let's see those sources.


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    #28563677 - 12/01/23 11:40 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28563686 - 12/01/23 11:54 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I hope the sauce is spicy :datass:


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #28563803 - 12/01/23 01:36 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Trashy story with no weight beside 2 sleezy psychiatrists and a psycho killer.




If the psychiatrist is some lefty socialist dog loving worker, that should be a conflict of interest IMO. All they will be able to make an assessment of is how crazy the person must be to stab their own dog, and that's probably about it.. NM that the suspect might have realized after the first few stabbings, that if they take out their dog and stab another 100+ times then they might be able to claim being the victim. If she only stabbed her dog once, but stabbed the bf 100+ times, IMO that would show that she was fully aware of the situation..



There were two psychologists. One for defence and one for prosecution. They were in agreement with one another. The prosecution's works as a consultant for law enforcement. https://www.policepsychology.org/Kris-Mohandie-PhD

How do you know which assessments will be used and to what extent they will reveal?




Seriously, one of the psychologists you linked is Kris Mohandie, the guy that worked on the high profile OJ Simpson trial? They are workin on this case too?

So in other words, the crazy girl will get off practically scott free just like OJ the murderer, and write a book about how she stabbed him over a hundred times in 15 years? WTF, lol. Ok yeah, then that is an even bigger conflict of interest..


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
    #28563965 - 12/01/23 03:53 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

* UPDATE: Guilty verdict in Bryn Spejcher cannabis-induced killing trial ...

Conflicting portraits emerge as cannabis killing case heads to jury
December 1, 2023 - vcstar.com

Attorneys in Bryn Spejcher’s manslaughter trial gave their closing arguments Thursday, drawing two very different portraits of the woman who killed Chad O'Melia in 2018. The prosecution called her a callous, narcissistic party girl who just wanted to get high that night, while the defense described her as “a very responsible young woman” who had no idea smoking pot could trigger violent psychosis.

Spejcher, 32, is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of O’Melia, a man she’d been dating for a few weeks. She stabbed him to death at his Thousand Oaks condominium with kitchen knives while in the throes of what both the defense and prosecution agree was a cannabis-induced psychotic episode.

She also stabbed herself in the neck repeatedly and would likely have died had police not arrived just in time to disarm her and stanch the bleeding, according to testimony during the trial.

With no disagreement about whether she killed O’Melia or whether her psychosis was real, Spejcher’s trial revolved around the question of whether her cannabis intoxication was “voluntary.” Under California criminal law, people are responsible for their actions when impaired by alcohol or drugs unless their intoxication was involuntary.

According to the jury instructions in Spejcher’s trial, “involuntary intoxication” could mean she took the drug unknowingly, took it due to “force, duress, fraud or trickery” or took it without knowing it could produce such intoxicating effects.

Defense: Couldn't have foreseen pot's effects

Robert Schwartz, Spejcher’s defense attorney, argued to jurors Thursday that multiple legal definitions of “involuntary intoxication” apply in this case. He said O’Melia pressured Spejcher to take a second, oversize bong hit and she did it because she felt intimidated by him, though he didn’t threaten her or use physical force.

Schwartz also said Spejcher couldn’t have known the weed would cause a psychotic episode, because she had only consumed cannabis a handful of times and had only gotten mildly high once. And he said “trickery” applies as well, because she had no idea what exactly was in O’Melia’s bong when he put it in front of her face, full of smoke.

There were no drugs other than marijuana found in O’Melia’s condo. Tests from 2018 of the marijuana that was found, both in a container in his bedroom and as burned residue in the bong, were not conclusive as to its concentration of THC, the psychoactive compound in cannabis.

Spejcher’s attorneys argued the cannabis she smoked was probably the same stuff that O’Melia had ordered from an unlicensed medical marijuana delivery service about a week earlier: a strain called OG Kush with a THC content of 31.8%. That’s a relatively high level of THC, and on its website, the now-defunct delivery service warned potential buyers the strain was meant for “high tolerance patients only.”

Spejcher’s defense team also called expert witnesses who testified that a concentrated form of cannabis could have been added to that weed, making it even stronger.

“Who knew the contents of the bong? Bryn didn’t know. Chad knew,” Schwartz told the jury. “Who purchased the marijuana? Who loaded the marijuana? Who prepared the marijuana? It was Chad. … She had no reaction at all to the first bong hit, so why in the world would she expect that when he pressured her to take another, that anything different would happen?”

Schwartz also reminded the jury of the testimony of one of O’Melia’s roommates, Vini de Oliveira, on the first day of the trial three weeks earlier. De Oliveira had never smoked pot before until one night in 2018 when he decided to try it with O’Melia and another friend. He smoked from O’Melia’s bong and soon started to hallucinate and panic. He felt his heart racing, thought he was dying and wanted his friends to take him to the hospital.

O’Melia and his friend convinced de Oliveira to wait it out and try to sleep it off instead. He felt better after a nap, but later told police he still felt high when he went to work the following afternoon.

“No one is suggesting that Chad wanted Bryn to have a psychotic reaction,” Schwartz said in his closing argument. “But Chad had some obligation to tell Bryn. Chad knew she was an inexperienced or naïve user, just like Vini was, and he knew the horrible reaction that Vini had. … He knew what happened to Vini and he didn’t tell her about it.”

Prosecutor: 'She's trying to save her own skin'

In her closing argument, prosecutor Audry Nafziger called Spejcher’s contention that she didn’t like marijuana and didn’t want to get high that night “a false narrative.”

Nafziger pointed to texts between Spejcher and her friends from the months leading up to O’Melia’s death, which included multiple texts from Spejcher about being drunk and once missing a morning of work due to a hangover. There were also texts from Spejcher about consuming edible forms of cannabis.

“This is a young woman who was living a lifestyle of getting drunk, passing out, missing work, and her decision to become intoxicated on May 28 resulted in the vicious and violent death of Chad O’Melia,” Nafziger said.

Nafziger told the jury there is no evidence O’Melia put anything other than “regular old marijuana” in the bong he prepared for Spejcher. She also said it’s implausible that O’Melia “made her” inhale from the bong, because Spejcher is a strong, assertive, professional woman — she holds a doctoral degree and worked as an audiologist — and was “the boss” in her relationship with O’Melia.

“She was not afraid of Chad O’Melia,” Spejcher said. “Her newfound fear is fabricated. She’s trying to save her own skin. … Anyone can point the finger at someone else and say, ‘He made me do it.’ She’s very good at blaming other people for her problems.”

Nafziger also said Spejcher didn’t show any remorse when she testified in her own defense on Tuesday.

“What we saw on the witness stand was narcissism on full display,” Nafziger said. “It was the ‘me, me, me’ show. … She had tears for herself, but none for Chad. No remorse, no compassion.”

Schwartz called Nafziger’s description of Spejcher “character assassination” and an attempt to “dirty up” the defendant.

“The person who’s been depicted to you by the prosecution would be unrecognizable to anyone who knows her well,” Schwartz told the jury, pointing to the character witnesses who described Spejcher as always honest and nonviolent as well as her work helping people who have hearing loss, as Spejcher herself does.

Spejcher’s texts about going out drinking with her friends are “a distraction and have no relevancy to this case whatsoever,” Schwartz said.

“She was a young woman in her 20s. What’s wrong with her going out with her friends, as long as she doesn’t drive when she’s been drinking?” he said.

The jury began its deliberations on Friday morning. If Spejcher is convicted of involuntary manslaughter, she is likely to face a prison sentence of up to four years.


* Jurors returned a guilty verdict in the case Friday afternoon. This story will be updated.


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28564004 - 12/01/23 04:33 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

From the link in the article you just posted:

"Spejcher’s defense revolves around an argument that she was “involuntary intoxicated” because O’Melia pressured her to smoke and prepared the bong. In addition, she didn’t know what was in the bong or how strong the cannabis was, her lawyers have argued, nor could she have foreseen that smoking pot would trigger a psychotic episode."

So she had no idea what was in the bong and she went ahead and smoked it anyways, her lawyers are saying.  :facepalm:
This girl takes no responsibility for anything she does, it seems.  She's too perfect, I guess. :rolleyes:


From the article you just posted:

"Tests from 2018 of the marijuana that was found, both in a container in his bedroom and as burned residue in the bong, were not conclusive as to its concentration of THC, the psychoactive compound in cannabis.

Spejcher’s attorneys argued the cannabis she smoked was probably the same stuff that O’Melia had ordered from an unlicensed medical marijuana delivery service about a week earlier: a strain called OG Kush with a THC content of 31.8%."

So they don't even know if the "marijuana" had active chemicals in it?!  They assume it "probably" was the same "stuff" ordered by O'Melia recently?  Seems like they are doing a lot of assuming... not good lawyer-work.

How can they prove O'Melia pressured the girl to take the weed hits?  Just assume that as well?


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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #28564058 - 12/01/23 05:16 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

Since the jury came back with a guilty verdict so quickly, I don't think they bought any of the defense's BS. Soon we'll find out what the sentence is. Even if she gets the maximum four years, she is getting off way too easy. It's possible she could get less, but I doubt that.

But even if someone hears voices telling them to kill, that doesn't mean they have to listen to them. She had a choice, and chose to kill.


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