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Re: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with anyone's mental health [Re: yoosername]
    #28584724 - 12/15/23 11:52 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

It means that pollution will kill us. More like a planetary mass-suicide, really. That and climate change.

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

Silurian Hypothesis.


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Re: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with anyone's mental health [Re: Milleresque]
    #28592832 - 12/21/23 02:33 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Disagree with the OP—unless you’re wanting to separate “health” from behaviours and proclivities.




That's kind of the point.

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There IS something decidedly wrong with certifiable narcissists (I’ve only met one, maybe two, and they ruined lives and directly contributed to the suicide of their then partner), and there’s nothing normal about the guy who gets slighted over a trivial matter and then beats the “offender” to within an inch of their life over it.




Certain people value certain things over others. Narcissists value self-image over your health.

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How about serial killers? Rapists? Paedophiles?  Nothing wrong with their mental health.




Nope. Nothing wrong with their mental health. They usually have problems with impulse control, though.

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What about the teenager who writes up a manifesto and stalks through their school with a semi automatic weapon and puts round after round into their classmates?




Stochastic terrorism. You make people angry, and you give them nothing to do, while glorifying mass-murder. Eventually, someone decides that mass murder is the solution to their anger. Bang bang.

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How about psychopaths? Stalin? Hitler.




While the topics are debated, neither was a clear psychopath. They just really believed in their respective (far left, far right) visions, mixed in with a good bit of leader-focused high-RWA authoritarianism.

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No…everyone’s mental health is absolutely hunky dory.




In an insane society, a sane man is considered insane.


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Re: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with anyone's mental health [Re: Milleresque]
    #28594963 - 12/23/23 07:47 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Unless you believe in the Catch-22 model of mental health (they must have been depressed! Why? Because they committed suicide! Why did they commit suicide? Because they were depressed! No need to look any deeper and question anything else!), there is very little evidence that mass shooters and other violent individuals have mental health issues.

There are some mental illnesses, sure. Stuff like schizophrenia which has actual structural causes.

Otherwise, using "mental health" as an explanation is a societal self-defense mechanism. Society does not want to consider the possibility of suicide or mass violence to be a rational choice, because it would force us to consider the flaws within the society we have built.

It is much easier to just write them off as crazies. Nothing can be done about crazies. Something can be done about Shit Life Syndrome. We just don't want to do anything about it.


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Re: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with anyone's mental health [Re: Milleresque] * 1
    #28595412 - 12/23/23 03:14 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

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Doesn’t make it rational.




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Suicide doesn’t strike me as a rational act, unless circumstance are so indescribably awful that there truly isn’t another option.




Kinda contradicting yourself a little bit there, no? Under the right circumstances, suicide can, in fact, be a perfectly rational decision. Heroic, even. Go look up a list of posthumous MOH awards.

It is rational to buy a winter coat. It is less rational to buy a winter coat to go to the Bahamas.

Same thing with violence. It is irrational to commit random acts of violence. It is rational to commit targeted acts of violence in retribution to state violence. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

My point lies in the rejection of the thought-terminating cliche that is "mental health issues". It's a way to hide from responsibility and blame the (conveniently dead) person entirely for their actions. You can't reason with crazy--that is the whole point. It is irrational. Therefore, there is no need to look deeper at the underlying causes. An irrational actor has no legitimate underlying reasons, therefore all we can do is shrug, offer a plate of thoughts and prayers tots and pears, and move on.

You see these thought-terminating cliches in many parts of society:
"If the globe is warming, why is it snowing outside? Checkmate, liberals."
"You can't reason with crazy"
"You can't regulate evil"

They're all ways to avoid confronting difficult topics, especially for people that have vested financial (or other) interests in not fixing the problem. Don't fall for that. The significant majority of people act in a rational manner...but they may be affected by irrational circumstances. Ignoring the circumstances that drive their actions just means that the same thing will happen to someone else next week.


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Re: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with anyone's mental health [Re: Freedom]
    #28627243 - 01/19/24 01:29 PM (8 days, 23 hours ago)

That is exactly what happened. Except instead of a crowbar, it was pollution and late stage capitalism.


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Re: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with anyone's mental health [Re: Freedom]
    #28627558 - 01/19/24 05:48 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago)

Pollution and late stage capitalism went through our collective brains like a crowbar, destroying certain functions.


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