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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Asante] 3
#28563606 - 12/01/23 10:53 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Don't we have a specific subforum dedicated to the respectful discussion of spirituality and mysticism, where there are specific rules against poking fun at other's beliefs?
A hard battle was fought to create a safe space for people with beliefs who were under relentless attack by the skeptics. This is not exaggerated.
Segregation was needed to avoid the gentle souls being driven off by the hardliners of nihilism.
That Philosophy & Spirituality and the Thunderdome had to be split up to protect the gentle against the tyranny of the rough, is testament to failed management.
We have asymmetric retention of the rough over the gentle on the member level and the staff level and that's a consequence of how the place is ran.
I get where you’re coming from, but it is a forum dedicated to a particular science. Quote:
Asante said:
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Jean-Luc Picard said:
Don't we have a specific subforum dedicated to the respectful discussion of spirituality and mysticism, where there are specific rules against poking fun at other's beliefs?
A hard battle was fought to create a safe space for people with beliefs who were under relentless attack by the skeptics. This is not exaggerated.
Segregation was needed to avoid the gentle souls being driven off by the hardliners of nihilism.
That Philosophy & Spirituality and the Thunderdome had to be split up to protect the gentle against the tyranny of the rough, is testament to failed management.
We have asymmetric retention of the rough over the gentle on the member level and the staff level and that's a consequence of how the place is ran.
In all fairness, most of the site is dedicated to the advancement of and dissemination of information relating to various sciences. It kind of muddies the water when there’s superstition thrown in with real, scientifically verifiable information.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Asante] 1
#28563607 - 12/01/23 10:54 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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I used to have a little newspaper clipping. That I cut out and taped inside of my box of pipes. Marijuana madness!
This still makes me laugh. But some people don’t recognize new propaganda as being the same as this video.There’s somebody talking about marijuana induced psychosis right now.
 Psychosis is just a more marketable term at the moment.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Asante] 4
#28563617 - 12/01/23 11:03 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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OK, so they needed to create special interest organizations within the larger community to prevent chaos?
Sounds like a functioning society that can tolerate a large population of people with varied and even directly opposed belief systems.
If atheists had to share the same venue and talk about their beliefs with members of the Fundamental Methodist Conference...then someone would also get their beliefs stepped on and argued against. Some people can be mature and respectful, and some people think that their truth is the absolute, objective truth. This is a common flaw of humans and belief systems since humans have existed.
This is why organizations exist, to allow like-minded people to come together and discuss/practice their common interest. The shroomery is about shrooms, it's in the name. Mutual respect of all belief systems is not required to have an interest in shrooms. With so many people in a forum, with such a vast amount of different beliefs, interests, personalities, etc....it's good to have breakout forums for people to talk about.specific topics, in order to prevent a giant mess of technically rule-compliant discussion, where people have to wade through pages of muck to find the one thread or topic they're interested in, only.to fond that most of the replies are off-topic within the thread.
I guess I just don't understand the point you're trying to make. The presence of belief-tolerant subforums within the shroomery contradicts the claim that the shroomery runs off spiritual people, and suppressing pushback from others, outside of those safe spaces, who don't believe that you've objectively spoken to or merged with some universal god-being, would mean the shroomery would be intolerant to other belief systems so that spiritual people can feel comfortable talking about spirituality and mysticism in unrelated subforums.
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Jean-Luc Picard said: The shroomery is about shrooms, it's in the name.
The Shroomery is about turning Maria Sabina's Sacred Mushrooms, the Flesh of the Gods, into shrooms.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Asante] 1
#28564726 - 12/02/23 04:16 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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UO
Cultivating mushrooms is simply about providing the conditions required for an organism to sustain life outside of its natural habitat. Beyond that, we are all free to draw our own unique conclusions.
There’s as many reasons for cultivating and using mushrooms as there are people doing so, but ultimately we’re all here talking about it together because we share a common respect and fascination for the species, and it’s effect on our lives.
The terminology each of us uses to label that effect is interesting to discuss, but shouldn’t separate people who are sharing their own take on the same experience.
In my opinion, framing it as science vs religion is divisive and counter to the fact that, despite our many differences, the mushroom brought us here as like-minded people to have this conversation.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon] 3
#28564955 - 12/02/23 08:45 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Asante, I want to apologize for misunderstanding if I have. As I've said, I have always held deep respect for you so I'd like to take the time to understand what you're tying to say because I'm (allegedly) still not quite getting it and I find myself forming "arguments" that may not apply and I when I examine myself closely, I can see that I'm projecting to some degree. I have been ridiculed and ostracized from spiritual groups for expressing my opinions on this subject more than once and I don't want to pigeonhole you because you don't really fit the definition of who I think I'm talking about. I've removed myself from an ayahuasca ceremony because I felt that they were pretentious and disingenuous. I've walked all night and morning alone with vomit on my shirt until the sun was beating on me to get away from it and find my own peace and meaning.
I've expressed on several occasions my own beliefs on the subject of "spiritualism" and reality in general in this very community and I've never been met with much aversion. Disagreement at the worst, affirmation at best but I've never once felt hostility or a lack of hospitality. I maintain that its always disingenuous for anyone to claim understanding over the ultimately reality of the universe. I've experienced enough to know that nobody has any idea what the fuck is actually going on so its always made my eye twitch when any human speaks with a matter of fact position. Its all positively unknowable and those with the greatest hubris seem to think they know the most.
I'll be totally honest. I started using drugs at a very early age and my agenda was simply "lets get fucked up". I feel like what you're saying is that this is the collective mentality of this community. That doesn't seem fair to homogenize like that. The kinds of drugs that I've always been into command a sort of respect that invariably shifted my perspective and changed my brittle worldview into what it seems to be now and that absolutely has never been in harmony with the "spiritual" communities in general but for sure I've resonated at least enough to be invited to ceremonies. (and subsequently excuse myself from them)
I guess what I'm saying is that I think people will naturally become aware that the ultimate reality of the universe is at least a lot more complex and strange than they were raised to believe. Everyone in this community seems to be at different places along a similar system of trails so I'm trying to understand how what you're saying isn't judgemental. To me, I see a man standing on what they must think is the summit of understanding yelling down to the other hikers saying "you're all stupid". Or maybe you said "You all misunderstand" or maybe it was "You all lack respect". Maybe thats not the intended message here Asante but its how it sounds to me from where I stand at my specific elevation. Forgive me the metaphor. I understand the world mainly in abstract terms.
Of course I respect you well enough to take the time and energy to understand. I've learned in life to always pay close attention to those people who seem convicted in their beliefs.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28565574 - 12/02/23 05:02 PM (2 months, 13 days ago) |
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UO Wikipedia funding should be paid for entirely by the government. That way it can protect the information on it from being bought out by companies that would push their perspective.
Because right now they’re asking for money. So that it isn’t bought out by someone.
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Wikipedia is too infiltrated with opinion to be considered factual at face value.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Asante]
#28565595 - 12/02/23 05:20 PM (2 months, 13 days ago) |
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But wouldn’t you agree that letting a company take possession of it would further infiltrate it with opinion. Even bias. Which I feel would destroy all the trust people have in it.
Could you link me one of these infiltrated pages. Because the site does seem very well moderated. I have seen people try and change an article. And then get banned from it.
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Thats because if your not in the moderator circle they dontlike you editing articles, ive heard Wikipedia is a giant cicrcle jerk with an in crowd
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher]
#28565644 - 12/02/23 05:50 PM (2 months, 13 days ago) |
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Unpopular Opinion, I'm an alcoholic but I just had 1.5oz tequilla and thats all right
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#28566279 - 12/03/23 06:12 AM (2 months, 13 days ago) |
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If you are all right with it. It's all right Right?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
#28566379 - 12/03/23 07:49 AM (2 months, 13 days ago) |
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This honestly sounds like a terrible idea. Addiction is a slippery slope. That’s just my opinion though.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher] 1
#28566610 - 12/03/23 11:13 AM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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gopher said: Unpopular Opinion, I'm an alcoholic but I just had 1.5oz tequilla and thats all right
How did that work out for ya? Were you able to stop there or did ya spiral into a full on bender?
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gopher said: Unpopular Opinion, I'm an alcoholic but I just had 1.5oz tequilla and thats all right
How did that work out for ya? Were you able to stop there or did ya spiral into a full on bender?
I bought a bottle of tequila in like July or august maybe, idk but it was warm out I was in a tee-shirt
I just drank the whole bottle pretty moderately, that shot I had last night was the rest of the bottle
I thinkits the kratom I take every day that makes it easy for me to moderate, it kinda kills the euphoria of drinking more so I'm not chasing the euphoria like I used to
The most I had in one sitting was like three shots before i went out to metal detect one morning at like 3 or 4 am
I totally think if I was sober from kratom I would still over drink though, because I used to all the time
And also I like drinking tequila cause even though logically I know its the same as all other drinks, I kinda feel like it gives a different high
If I get another bottle it will be tequila again
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher]
#28566698 - 12/03/23 12:19 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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That's awesome you can moderate it like that. I know alcoholics who think they can moderate it but they suck at it. One has the goal of not drinking before noon everyday and that's after going to rehab 4 times. I'm sure that's not what they taught at that California rehab facility (that's half the country away)
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] 2
#28566731 - 12/03/23 12:41 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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My friend who passed away from alcoholism used to measure his drinks out. It worked for a bit. It was just to late.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher]
#28566734 - 12/03/23 12:43 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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I totally know what you mean about tequila. Both me and my dad avoid it. It makes us aggressive. Not sure why. I didn’t believe him when he told me. But having personally experienced the tequila madness myself. There is something different about it versus other alcohol. At least in my opinion.
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California rehab
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theRealrollforever said: California rehab

Yeah, apparently you have to pay a lot more to go there to find out it doesn't make a damn bit of difference where you go to rehab That woman is a leach and bleeding my buddy dry. She is enabled way too much to ever actually improve
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