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Rate Religion
#28562743 - 11/30/23 07:23 PM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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I would put this as a poll but im shit at doing that kind of shit
Lets just say you had to rate your top five relgions, either in terms of most benefit to society or in terms of least harm, what would they be.
Perhaps even includce in your post some reasoning as to why.
Top 5 most beneficial religions for me would be
1. Christianity - for its ethics, its compassion and its founding of western civilization
2. Buddhism - its introspection, its ethics, it deeply interesting metaphysics and its predisposition towards peaceful coexistence
3. Hinduisim - its crazy deep stories, its intropection, its compassion, its variation in weirdness and its basic respect for nature
4. Skisim - all of the above and you get to carry around a sacred knife lol
5. Judaism - its historical significance and its adhenreance to timeless basic principles of ethics and godliness.
I can elaborate on each one, but id like to know youre top 5 and why.
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Christianity did not create western civilization. Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans did.
Just look below St. Peter's Basilica...

and in front of it...

That is an Egyptian obelisk.
The most Egyptian obelisks in the world are in Rome near the Vatican. Mostly from the circus maximus that used to exist.

Curious about what all the Hieroglyphs mean? The history is astonishing really.
How about the Obelisk of Antinous still standing... the only one without a cross

made for the Roman-Egyptian homosexual demigod, Antinous, the once lover of Hadrian.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28562951 - 11/30/23 08:58 PM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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oh and they all used to be painted in bright colors
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28563103 - 11/30/23 11:23 PM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Unfortunately they are all pretty much the same.
Only Buddhism, however, was able to point the way, for me, to understanding the mind, while all the rest, are vestiges of ancient cosmological fantasies.
When I say point the way, I do not mean it has better answers than any other religion, but it does have better questions.
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Gnosticism.. to apoint and make rest the claim that there is anything other than knowledge.
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I like free deity worship.
Superstitions, omens, majik.
Physical skills blending into the super natural.
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My top pick is Taoism. I don’t feel comfortable justifying any of my other decisions. So I’ll just leave it at that.
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"that is the way" - Mandalorianism
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I think the reason King Tut's tomb was loaded with all the melted down and recast treasure (after they got rid of Ahkenaten's monotheism) was because they wanted people in the future to know their polytheism was their truth. Sigmund Freud said Moses was an escaped priest of Ahkenaten's monotheism, and from what I can tell, that seems highly likely.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28563408 - 12/01/23 07:53 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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I'm atheist (in a monotheistic sense) and pantheist with a slice of polytheism and Toaism.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28563515 - 12/01/23 09:34 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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And I am God.
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lol
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28563522 - 12/01/23 09:40 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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The crazy thing is that I am.
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Deusne tu? si tibi placet, sed sum satanas.  iocor, ego vere Lucifer caerulus sum
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I think its more about how you engage with the religion than the religion itself. Curiosity and sincerity go a long way.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Freedom]
#28563875 - 12/01/23 02:15 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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lol you're right: lockstep
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my dad was very anti catholic (drug friendly) hindu guru seeker while my mum turned to reading the bible from 40 onwards and got very deep and authentically into "christ consciousness", going from low self esteem / selfrejection (partly coupled with accusations against others / paranoia) to a very compassionate and sincere temperament, seeing the good in people and the world and a glow in her eyes. my dad died at 55 from longterm hepC, my mum died from heart infection after flu at 62.
my mum seemed to live the values and ethics present in hinduism much better. vegetarian, no drugs except coffee in the morning (and Z sleeping pills from 50 onward), nature loving, completely pacifistic and compassionate. reading the bible but still calling out the abuse stories etc. my dad had good ideas but didn't live up to them properly.
growing up more with hindu and buddhist ideas, i started to embrace christianity after my mum's death. i think there's something fine about it's ethics and compassion. the downside / dark side is/was inquisition, superstition, pedophilia etc.
for me, if buddhism is the head of a coin, christianity is the tail
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28565479 - 12/02/23 03:48 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Quote:
Blue_Lux said: Christianity did not create western civilization. Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans did.
Just look below St. Peter's Basilica...

and in front of it...

That is an Egyptian obelisk.
The most Egyptian obelisks in the world are in Rome near the Vatican. Mostly from the circus maximus that used to exist.

Curious about what all the Hieroglyphs mean? The history is astonishing really.
How about the Obelisk of Antinous still standing... the only one without a cross

made for the Roman-Egyptian homosexual demigod, Antinous, the once lover of Hadrian.
You could say that greek or roman philosophy actually underpins western civilization i guess, but there is no question that judeo-christsian ethics underpin our culture to a large extent.
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are they different than Sumerian ethics?
I want to go back to bonobo ethics
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lol
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redgreenvines said: are they different than Sumerian ethics?
I want to go back to bonobo ethics
Most of the translations of sumerian texts were beer recipies, so yeah, kinda.
Bonobo ethics however are just rape culture, lol.
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chimps freak me out. All monkeys kind of honestly
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28565998 - 12/02/23 09:42 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Long, long ago, there was no religion. How did religion come about?
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omg don't ask me this right now. lol im braindead atm
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Quote:
WhoManBeing said: Long, long ago, there was no religion. How did religion come about?
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I'm sure superstition happened first..
Then evolved into deity worship.. as a reason and how natural forces work..
Then from there codified section of rules.. engendered rituals.. sacred gestures. Prayer..
Miracles.. mind over matter..
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My son is in college taking a religious class. It's very interesting for me to listen to what he learns. I honestly have no opinion. Religion is deeply intimate. But fascinating when you remove your own beliefs and look objectively.
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My son in law is teaching one at university, he has not talked to me about that, but he really gets what I am on about.
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As much as superstition does exist and has existed... I think there is something primordially significant (and thus meaningful) about the forces of nature. Do you know lightning can make mushrooms multiply? ... This was likely observed before people had written language. People have been around for at least 100,000 years with basically the same brains we have now.
I don't think lightning god has to immediately be made into an image of that God, like Thor. Many Gods were actually people, as Hercules was most likely a real person, and Achilles, and etc. The Veneri were a real clan, and veneris is obviously the genitive of Venus, which means of Venus.
But aside from people who became legends and shaped into Gods by poets and powerful people over centuries and millennia... The Earth, the ocean tides, the moon, lightning, thunder, earthquakes, storms. These things hold real power over people. The influence of the moon on our psyches, although often overblown, is not actually total nonsense.
Oliver Sacks... and I say this with nuance... He said as a child in the natural history museum he saw the hippos playing in the mud and would have erotic fantasies about this. The thing is... So did I have these sorts of erotic fantasies as a child about rhinos and hippos in the mud. The Roman historian Livy notes how early Romans following the Greek tradition would have huge orgies called Bacchanalia, but after they were all done and filthy with sweat and other bodily fluids, they would all run to bathe in the sea together. The Bible says God shaped man from mud or clay. There is something deeply profound about "being from the mud," and subsequent cleansing. There are powerful psychic forces within the natural phenomena constituting our experiences. I don't see ancient paganism as stupid superstition, although that seeps into everything profound and poetic, but as the result of an undifferentiated state of affairs concerning conceptions themselves of the outside world and our relationship to natural phenomena that shape us.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28566440 - 12/03/23 08:39 AM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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Actually, as legend goes, they would bathe in the sea together under moonlight.
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redgreenvines said: My son in law is teaching one at university, he has not talked to me about that, but he really gets what I am on about.
yes religious academia can be a cool pool. what is he teaching? i did some inspiring extension courses on the religion faculty in 2017 but slipped on the papers and failed altogether but didn't even really care 🤣 we attended the ceremonies of some christian affined groups/sects singing mantras and sharing ideas... then the persian baha'i who've been prosecuted in iran and served very nice food on the anniversary of their founding member.. and some other small sects that i forgot
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this is the reading list Nietzsche, The Gay Science, tr. Kaufmann (Vintage paper) Kierkegaard, Fear and Trembling, tr. Hong and Hong (Princeton paper) Descartes, Discourse on Method, tr. Cress (Hackett paper) Pascal, Selections from the Thoughts, tr. Beattie (Croft paper) Shakespeare, Hamlet, ed. Barnet (Signet Classics) Berger, Invitation to Sociology (Anchor paper) Kant, Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals, tr. Ellington (Hackett paper) Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground, tr. MacAndrew (Signet or Mass Market Paperback) Buber, I and Thou, tr. Kaufmann (Scribner's paper) Nancy, God, Justice, Love, Beauty: Four Little Dialogues, tr. Clift (Fordham University Press)
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oh yes that's more like philosophy & sociology .. oh that's even the name of the subforum 😊
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I have read every one of those except 3
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I wonder if he is lurking, perhaps I will hear of it with the reading list posted.
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Martin Buber I and Thou. That book was one that almost crippled me because I felt like he had stolen the words from my mind. I still think my version was better, because he does something different really. A surprising book to mention. I wrote something about this called seducens auditores, seducing the audience. I think Husserl's Ideas goes interestingly with that book, specifically about the noema and noesis. These books made me think orators can exploit a naturally arising configuration of language in order to seduce the audience, or seduce the listeners into (temporarily) having their "psychoconstants" replaced by essentially coerced, forced-via-authority-per-suggestion representations. Good book suggestions.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
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obviously I take no credit for it
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Well I saw it on here from you, so I credit the suggestion to you. lol. Kant's groundwork has a page long sentence. At least the Cambridge version I read did. That's one reason I don't like him. It's like... Okay where the f*** are we again?
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On second thought, Hegel is worse. Half the time I'm not sure anyone knows wtf he is talking about. But it sounds profound.
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Re: Rate Religion [Re: Blue_Lux]
#28566964 - 12/03/23 03:56 PM (1 month, 24 days ago) |
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there is an art to layering on profundity
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