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hydroponic poppies
#28562501 - 11/30/23 05:30 PM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Got a three by three tent just sitting there. All my hydroponic equipment is on standby. Why the hell not? I'm going to try and grow some poppies indoor.
Figuring out how much to feed shouldn't be a big deal, but the proper pH I'm not sure about. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions feel free to post. It might take me a few weeks to get up and running.
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Cool idea. I could see that resulting in some fat pods.
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Mystikal]
#28567865 - 12/04/23 06:47 AM (1 month, 23 days ago) |
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If growing for beautiful flowers, then I'd say go for it 
However, if you're growing to get anything of any use other than that, I think you'd be greatly disappointed.
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
#28589141 - 12/18/23 10:07 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Got my tanks all connected. Waiting for the cure. I'll test whether the water seal is good tomorrow. If okay, then I'll start some seeds.
Thanks for the link towns77, I was wondering about pH. 6.5 - 6.8 sounds like a good place to start
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What's your set up like?
I've had good luck growing random flowers and plants in a ez cloner with baskets with lava rock.
Ive never tried poppys but I did have a dope maple tree for around 3 years in a clone machine.
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i've got a big tote with holes in the lid for the baskets. it is connected to a five gallon bucket by a pvc pipe. i use the bucket for testing the water and adding/removing stuff. this way i don't have to disturb the roots to do anything. also have a water pump in the bucket to circulate the water between containers. rdwc i think they call this setup.
i've thought about doing blueberries in hydro as my soil is too basic, but i want something that will die the same year. imagine being married to a hydroponics setup for a decade... three months is about all i can stand to manage one. after that i take a break for the rest of the year.
i'd be interested to see your maple if you have any pics. no worries if not
edit: i'll post some pics of my setup after i get it up and running
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GenericHero said: Got my tanks all connected. Waiting for the cure. I'll test whether the water seal is good tomorrow. If okay, then I'll start some seeds.
Thanks for the link towns77, I was wondering about pH. 6.5 - 6.8 sounds like a good place to start
no problemo! We can't wait to see your set up, when you get it all up and running
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77] 1
#28589844 - 12/19/23 01:27 PM (1 month, 8 days ago) |
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Sadly I do not have pictures of my the maple tree in the hydro set up. It ended getting like a foot and half tall and the stem was about as big as your pinky finger.
I planted it in my yard 3 years ago. It hasn't taken to good to being in the dirt but it is still alive.
I have 3 HUGE blueberry plants and they take a long time to grow. I doubt you'd ever get fruits on a 3 month old plant, sadly these kinda of projects are long term.
I had a semi commercial cannabis op and it lived in the mother plant room in 24 hours of light and the same high end fertilizer everything else got.
Keeping the roots healthy and out of the misters turns into a real thing. I ended up using a large flat bubbler in the end.
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Poppies can’t be grown hydro if you’re interested in harvesting it’s opium. The latex is a fluid that runs through the inside of the plant, heavy rains or something like this would likely flush away a good deal of your yield. Dirt and sunshine is all you need for poppies… not even good dirt, they won’t complain too much with whatever you give them. But something like hydro would be very counterproductive, sorry. It’s a cool idea though and definitely a conversation that’s been had here over the years.
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Lipa Kreepa said: Poppies can’t be grown hydro if you’re interested in harvesting it’s opium. The latex is a fluid that runs through the inside of the plant, heavy rains or something like this would likely flush away a good deal of your yield. Dirt and sunshine is all you need for poppies… not even good dirt, they won’t complain too much with whatever you give them. But something like hydro would be very counterproductive, sorry. It’s a cool idea though and definitely a conversation that’s been had here over the years.
They sure can be https://growopium.tumblr.com/ ;
However, like I stated earlier, as far as growing them for opium goes, he'd be greatly disappointed.
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
#28592902 - 12/21/23 03:30 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Towns77 said: However, like I stated earlier, as far as growing them for opium goes, he'd be greatly disappointed.
The desire for opium was pretty much the backbone of my arguement. For the sake of doing it, yeah it’s a plant. And it is indeed possible. But if you want good opium, then no.
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Towns77 said: However, like I stated earlier, as far as growing them for opium goes, he'd be greatly disappointed.
The desire for opium was pretty much the backbone of my arguement. For the sake of doing it, yeah it’s a plant. And it is indeed possible. But if you want good opium, then no.
Oh, I agree That is why I said that to him too in my first post
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77] 2
#28592935 - 12/21/23 04:00 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Towns77 said: However, like I stated earlier, as far as growing them for opium goes, he'd be greatly disappointed.
The desire for opium was pretty much the backbone of my arguement. For the sake of doing it, yeah it’s a plant. And it is indeed possible. But if you want good opium, then no.
Oh, I agree That is why I said that to him too in my first post 
My bad I didn’t see that part of your post. It definitely can be achieved, but it’s just not worth the resources and the risk. Outdoor, no one will notice it. It’s illegal yes… but never usually a concern. If one were to grow a field of it, maybe that would change. But most LEO are totally oblivious to poppies and what they look like. Whereas cannabis, everyone and their grandma knows what that looks and smells like. Your typical risk outdoor is theft from other poppy enthusiasts, so a backyard or something is usually better than out in the open.
Back to the risk part… I said all that to say this. If one sees your plants outdoor, there’s a solid chance no one will notice them. But if one stumbles across them indoor, they’re weird and unfamiliar enough for someone to get suspicious and likely call the law. So if a backyard isn’t an option… walk along rivers, ditches and abandoned areas and roll the dice. Considering how tolerant poppies are of abrasive weather conditions (minus high heat and drought when the seedlings are young. But after this..), there’s a good chance a lot of them will mature to harvest.
I’m all about growing plants indoors and doing ones thing in life… having fun and experimenting is what it’s all about. But there’s also the other aspect of it, regarding wasting resources and taking unnecessary risks… when in the end the payoff just isn’t there.
Happy holidays man 
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No problemo
I could not have said that all better myself
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
#28594376 - 12/22/23 06:13 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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i've never scored poppies for their opium. i lost my pods from outside in an unfortunate accident. now it's too cold for them. gotta wait a few months. might try eating a pod or two if i am successful. get to harvest some seeds at least. here's my setup. waiting for germination...
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Awesome! What variety are you growing?
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
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One reason headshops have Kratom.
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The place I'd bought them from says Izmir something or other. These seeds are the fifth generation from the original seeds.
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The place I'd bought them from says Izmir something or other. These seeds are the fifth generation from the original seeds.
right on! I can't wait to see them up and growing
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
#28595548 - 12/23/23 05:21 PM (1 month, 4 days ago) |
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Fuck yea! 
I almost did this myself so I'll be following along.
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germination today. christmas surprise. three days of 24hr light to get here. no cold stratification required.


been spraying with a bottle to keep the medium moist. mix of coco and clay pebbles. i've used the coco before when growing mj. pieces of coco get into the water but it doesn't seem to cause a problem.
some floaters.

adjusting the pH to around 6.5 - 6.8
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GenericHero said: germination today. christmas surprise. three days of 24hr light to get here. no cold stratification required.


been spraying with a bottle to keep the medium moist. mix of coco and clay pebbles. i've used the coco before when growing mj. pieces of coco get into the water but it doesn't seem to cause a problem.
some floaters.

adjusting the pH to around 6.5 - 6.8

I don't know why people think that poppies have to be cold stratified, because they just don't.
But yeah, congrats man, I can't wait to see how they grow
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
#28599925 - 12/27/23 03:02 PM (1 month, 4 hours ago) |
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In retrospect I ought not to have used coco. I regret it. The water is full of loose coco. I'll try to get it out next time I change the water. I should have done mostly pebbles with only a bit of coco at the top to hold the seeds.
I've heard that one shouldn't allow poppies to become too wet after booming because it waters down the latex. I wonder if this is actually true or if it is one of those things like how people think flushing does something in regards to marijuana. If it really waters everything down, I bet that some work around could be developed. Maybe allowing the tank to run mostly dry after blooming or something. Maybe use a spray bottle to keep the roots moist after the dry tank.
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Changed the water and cleaned out a bunch of loose coir. Witnessed some roots poking out from the bottom of the baskets. A bit of pale on the leaves and I added in some nutrients. Thinned each basket to a few plants per each. I'll wait longer to thin them to one per. I'll post some pictures once cabbage arrives
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Been about three weeks since germination. thinned to one per basket. many of the plants' roots have reached the water. some haven't made it yet. i haven't added much in the way of food and the pH is pretty stable. hoping to see some explosive growth from the plants with roots in the water.
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looking good man!
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Hell yeah brother!!!!!
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fugg, the roots are dying. it's weird. they are dying above the water line. the roots in the water are white and beautiful but above they have dried up or been attacked by fungus or something. i wonder if keeping the water level at a point with no air gap would have worked better.

i think i'm going to try it again. getting another medium. might use pebbles or something. might try a higher water level. submerged baskets or something. i'll watch this unfold for a bit before scrapping maybe on friday or tomorrow evening.
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Damn man, could it be fungus gnats?
Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year, and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.
I have them bad right now too, but Keeping vinegar traps out, and keeping the plants dry, I have limited their numbers immensely.
The peroxide used to work, but these guys are immune to everything now
Not even neem or insecticidal soap works on them anymore either.
https://www.nosoilsolutions.com/diagnosing-removing-fungus-gnats/
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
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Nah, no bugs in the house. Just the roots in the air gap seem to be affected. I'm going to try higher water levels with a different medium.
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Oh, ok, well then, good luck my friend 
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Re: hydroponic poppies [Re: Towns77]
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Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year, and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.
Pro tip: Get that nastly roll of fly paper and hang it near your plants- but put a tiny piece of banana on it in several places . All of the fungus gnats will be dead in 2 days the banana stuck to the tape draws them in even stronger and it's game over.
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Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year, and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.
Pro tip: Get that nastly roll of fly paper and hang it near your plants- but put a tiny piece of banana on it in several places . All of the fungus gnats will be dead in 2 days the banana stuck to the tape draws them in even stronger and it's game over.
you should think about getting a sundew plant. one of the earlier photos has one in it off to the right. they make a sticky dew on the ends of what i think are called fronds or something. gnats love it. the plant gobbles them up. sometimes it will make a flower.
i looked at the inside of the root basket. i washed away some of the coco from a few baskets last night. i had a look today and the roots in the basket seem great. lots of root hairs and such. i guess assuming what works for mj will work for poopys is a bad assumption.
the airgap... i noticed early on that some of the early roots would make it out of the basket and poke out at the bottom only to die off. eventually some started to make it down into the water. i wonder why they were having a hard time at the beginning. maybe poppy has no tolerance for the airgap? maybe not enough air? my pump is a bit old and not pumping as well as it used to. the water temps may have been too high and fostered some kinda bacteria or fungus. i guess i never checked the temp.
i got some volcanic rock today. couldn't find hydroton at any of the hardware stores. i'm going to proceed like it was some kind of infection. i've read a bit about what some people call "sterile systems". some people who do hydro for mj add bleach or hydrogen peroxide to their water to keep things "sterile" through the grow. they would add bleach at rates of 1-2ml per 5gal to 1-2ml per 1gal. it seems like the bleach will need to be added every so often. what i've seen is that people would add it every day to a few times per week, and some people would only add when they sensed that there was a problem. the h. peroxide i'm not sure about. i don't know how often or the rates at which people were applying it.
i'm going to drain the system and wash everything with bleach. im going to wash and bake that volcanic rock. i'll try again with the addition of bleach. i might see if i can figure out what the deal is with the air pump. it still works pretty well but is noisy at full speed. it has two outlets and one stopped putting out full pressure. it runs at half the rate of the other outlet.
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Those bastards infest my indoor plants every year, and last year I lost several hundred cacti seedlings to them.
Pro tip: Get that nastly roll of fly paper and hang it near your plants- but put a tiny piece of banana on it in several places . All of the fungus gnats will be dead in 2 days the banana stuck to the tape draws them in even stronger and it's game over.
you should think about getting a sundew plant. one of the earlier photos has one in it off to the right. they make a sticky dew on the ends of what i think are called fronds or something. gnats love it. the plant gobbles them up. sometimes it will make a flower.
i looked at the inside of the root basket. i washed away some of the coco from a few baskets last night. i had a look today and the roots in the basket seem great. lots of root hairs and such. i guess assuming what works for mj will work for poopys is a bad assumption.
the airgap... i noticed early on that some of the early roots would make it out of the basket and poke out at the bottom only to die off. eventually some started to make it down into the water. i wonder why they were having a hard time at the beginning. maybe poppy has no tolerance for the airgap? maybe not enough air? my pump is a bit old and not pumping as well as it used to. the water temps may have been too high and fostered some kinda bacteria or fungus. i guess i never checked the temp.
i got some volcanic rock today. couldn't find hydroton at any of the hardware stores. i'm going to proceed like it was some kind of infection. i've read a bit about what some people call "sterile systems". some people who do hydro for mj add bleach or hydrogen peroxide to their water to keep things "sterile" through the grow. they would add bleach at rates of 1-2ml per 5gal to 1-2ml per 1gal. it seems like the bleach will need to be added every so often. what i've seen is that people would add it every day to a few times per week, and some people would only add when they sensed that there was a problem. the h. peroxide i'm not sure about. i don't know how often or the rates at which people were applying it.
i'm going to drain the system and wash everything with bleach. im going to wash and bake that volcanic rock. i'll try again with the addition of bleach. i might see if i can figure out what the deal is with the air pump. it still works pretty well but is noisy at full speed. it has two outlets and one stopped putting out full pressure. it runs at half the rate of the other outlet.
Quoted for awesomeness and to encourage you to keep this up. This documented experiment will help many thousands of people down the line.
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I decided to maintain the current setup for a while longer. Added water until the bottoms of the baskets were submerged. I'm going to see if new roots will grow out of the pots just to try and narrow things down. I had read about air pruning. Maybe that's what happened to the roots
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If you use 30% h2o2 not very much and be careful.
If your using 3% over the counter stuff I use to add roughly 1/4 bottle per 5 gallons of water.
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Good luck on the next run, just remember how sensitive poppy seedlings are, try to limit movement and agitation from quick water flow
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sew... i've left things running to see what happens. brought the water level up to see if the air gap was pissing them off. some of the bigger ones continue to grow vegetation with no improvement in the root zone. definite signs of poor health. the space between the veins in the leaf are yellowing on all of the plants. i pulled one and had a look. the roots appear to have been retreating. the last time i looked they were plentiful and healthy looking. this time it seems they have lost a lot of ground and the ends are all gross looking. i'm thinking that this is due to rot. i've not had a problem with mj and root rot. poppy may be more sensitive?
i'm pulling everything today and going to bleach some stuff. when i set everything up for round two i'll probably add something to keep the water in check. it's weird. i thought i had enough air moving through the water. maybe the water was too warm. i think the warmer it gets the less oxygen it holds. something like 68 degree F. is supposed to be optimal.
i've got a bigger air pump that could blast the water with air, but the thing is so damn noisy. i put it in the crawl space the last time I used it and could still hear it. i might see if i can figure something out with that. might try and keep the room a bit cooler also.
this is the one i pulled. you can see the yellowing and the poor state of the roots. gotta be rot.

going to be watching water temps. going to start adding bleach to the water. bring back the airgap. lava rock for the baskets instead of coco. i'll post more when i get up and running again.
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I know this is probably just for fun, but have you considered not growing them hydroponically because they prefer a certain dry well drained soil type? Just a thought…
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