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Nichrome
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The Official Baeocystis Thread 13
#28561041 - 11/29/23 04:57 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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P. baeocystis is definitely one of the more fascinating species of active mushrooms. I fell in love with them decades ago when I would find them amongst other woodlovers in the fall. They were always so mysterious in their nature and the way they conduct themselves. Upon eating them for the first time I realized just how special they really are.
This species has largely escaped the modern mushroom boom. Something in their elusive nature that carries through I guess. Not only do they evade our attention but those of us who have tried working with them have found it increasingly more mysterious and downright difficult. You can't spell difficult without cult.
This is a thread dedicated to the lovely Psilocybe Baeocystis in all it's glory. Let's work together to open the box on this species and let it's secrets out. It is a strong one, and I think right now there is enough community gusto to crack the codes and let loose on the world what this beautiful species has to teach us.
(I do plan to edit the op with more info and links and such)
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Nichrome] 3
#28561056 - 11/29/23 05:08 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Good call! I'm in. About a week in from germinating my first baeo spores and I'm thrilled to be able to work with these. Never tried them but spent many fruitless hours looking for them. Hope to be able to pass some spores along one day.
Let's hope we can crack these like the community has so many other exotics.
Edited by thirdeyewild (11/29/23 05:11 PM)
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 3
#28561064 - 11/29/23 05:12 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Wonderful idea. Streaked my plates this morning. It was the photo of these in the Audubon Field Guide I got when I was 12 that inspired my interest in psilocybe species, and being able to attempt cultivating these is a dream come true. Can't wait to see what is contributed here...
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The cursed text!  I was also inspired and misguided by the Audubon. Wanted baeos and trudged though bogs looking for the 'bog conocybe'
So awesome to have accessed both through the community!
Edited by thirdeyewild (11/29/23 05:22 PM)
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 3
#28561093 - 11/29/23 05:39 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Guess I better get around to streaking some plates…
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: kirkeng] 3
#28561105 - 11/29/23 05:47 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Ohhhh shit, now that there’s a thread I’ll have to pull out a culture
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#28561235 - 11/29/23 07:20 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: JW123]
#28561382 - 11/29/23 09:03 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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This is great—thanks for creating this thread. I’ll dust off some old spores and see what happens too. I’d love to learn from anyone having success with these elusive teachers.
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I put some spores to agar and PF+alder shaving cakes about a week ago. Most triched out, but one of the cakes is showing some weaker myc that I'm hopeful for. Excited to see this thread take off!
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Fungus Gnat] 4
#28561493 - 11/29/23 10:33 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Workman said: Psilocybe baeocystis cultivated on sterile horse manure outdoors. Spores of this species germinate and grow agonizingly slow on PDA and the colonization speed of manure is not much better. But fruits form relatively quickly after planting outside. Several experimental plots using woodchips (the expected substrate of choice) failed. I can only assume that P. baeocystis is a secondary decomposer of wood chips and does poorly as the primary decomposer.


I'd like to thank mattso and Mjshroomer for providing the original spores from a specimen collected in Washington.
These fruits are from 2nd generation spores collected from a smaller fruiting last Fall. Cultivation information on the Spore Works website will be updated to reflect the new results.
The skirtlike formation on the lower edge of the caps is not normally seen in P. baeocystis. I also saw the same growth happen last year, but only in the first flush. It may be the result of growing in such an overly rich substrate and normalizes after the excessive nutrients are used up. It also may be strain specific. I have another print to work with and see if there are any differences.
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I really take note that their efforts using a wood base sub failed.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#28561498 - 11/29/23 10:38 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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That is interesting. My germinations on lme and sawdust are growing at a good speed. But in light of this I'll be sure to diversify my strategy.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 1
#28561537 - 11/29/23 11:37 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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I got some rotted logs laying around, maybe scraping out the pulverized rotted wood could work? Or wood based compost? I’ll have to remember to collect some to try before things freeze over.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 1
#28561538 - 11/29/23 11:38 PM (1 month, 28 days ago) |
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Ooh following along! I’m gonna have to bug one of y’all for some genetics soon!!
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Thanks for bringing back these findings about P. Baeocystis being a secondary decomposer Land Trout. I seem to remember a couple other folks in the WL’s thread also sharing these observations. I feel like this is an important challenge to successfully getting an outdoor bed going. I can second that growth is extremely slow on agar. I’ve only made it to grain once and it stalled out and failed. I’m curious what others are thinking for an outdoor substrate if one gets viable grain spawn?
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@Nichrome Messaged you and then seen this thread pop up on google search. PERFECT
I hope Workman comments with some recent information. He seems to be the only one (that I could find) who’s had success with them.
Edited by SupaThaRipper (11/30/23 09:46 AM)
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Good timing. I was just about to start some experiments.
I expect that the best tactic is to try as many strains/collections as possible to find one that is amenable to cultivation. Unfortunately, I just have one viable culture of unknown quality. If anyone can provide relatively fresh spores, even just a partial print, swab or gill fragment, I will put it in the rotation. The more samples, the higher chance of success. I am also looking locally, but it is a rare species I have only found once in the wild.
This effort will parallel with Psilocybe semilanceata tests, so any of those samples will also be accepted.
I'll document the effort and credit contributors (if any).
It is possible that Psilocybe venenata from Japan is actually P. baeocystis, so this thread might be of interest.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4329423#4329423
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Workman]
#28561965 - 11/30/23 10:06 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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They’re in season now according to this
https://www.shroomery.org/12496/Psilocybe-baeocystis
And Alan has recently confirmed more findings on the east coast
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28255559
Good for someone in the area to go out and take a look
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Aww shit! I'm in, for sure! 
This was my find in Oct, I took clones and spores that many of you now have:


Clones:

Temps around the start of fruiting:
(Scroll through Oct, pics are Oct 23)
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/burnaby/historic?month=9&year=2023
Edited by wavyedge (12/20/23 09:38 PM)
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Workman]
#28562006 - 11/30/23 11:00 AM (1 month, 27 days ago) |
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Workman said: Good timing. I was just about to start some experiments.
I expect that the best tactic is to try as many strains/collections as possible to find one that is amenable to cultivation. Unfortunately, I just have one viable culture of unknown quality. If anyone can provide relatively fresh spores, even just a partial print, swab or gill fragment, I will put it in the rotation. The more samples, the higher chance of success. I am also looking locally, but it is a rare species I have only found once in the wild.
This effort will parallel with Psilocybe semilanceata tests, so any of those samples will also be accepted.
I'll document the effort and credit contributors (if any).
It is possible that Psilocybe venenata from Japan is actually P. baeocystis, so this thread might be of interest.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4329423#4329423
@workman hit me your addy I have a partial print still.
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