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Kissinger kicked the bucket
    #28561256 - 11/29/23 07:31 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Good? Bad? I'm still thinking through the details.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28561274 - 11/29/23 07:37 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Nothing like a little morning napalm over Cambodia.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 5
    #28561339 - 11/29/23 08:24 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Good? Bad? I'm still thinking through the details.




I definitely disagree with him on policy, but he had America’s best interests at heart and had the respectability and decorum necessary for a statesman. A throwback to when America had good conservatives who would choose country over party.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos]
    #28561507 - 11/29/23 10:48 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

No question he had power, lots of it and the Executive more than just listened to it. I do respect that he still had a mental acuity with him as homeboy was certified ancient. That said, the devious strategy in Chile, Pakistan, Laos, Cambodia, there is more

......dont think history will be kind.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 4
    #28561511 - 11/29/23 10:53 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

Kissinger was shit.

He won't be missed


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    #28561829 - 11/30/23 08:25 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)



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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28561911 - 11/30/23 09:32 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)

Really surprised it took this long. Man had some longevity


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: YellowBelly] * 5
    #28562140 - 11/30/23 01:05 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)



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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28562689 - 11/30/23 06:56 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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Good? Bad? I'm still thinking through the details.




I definitely disagree with him on policy, but he had America’s best interests at heart and had the respectability and decorum necessary for a statesman. A throwback to when America had good conservatives who would choose country over party.


jk rot in hell bitch




God damn... you had me goin for a minute dude..

Fuck.. lol


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28563249 - 12/01/23 03:16 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

His death toll was always 7 figures, but until today I hadn't heard an argument that the illegal bombing of Cambodia caused the Khmer Rouge genocide that killed a quarter of their population (beyond what we already killed). Even if that's debatable it's at least partially true.

There was an amusing Kissinger quote today, I guess from his memoirs, where he said many times he had to stop crazy drunk Nixon from blowing up the world.

Partitioning the blame for establishment evil is a tough call especially when they were in bed together, because Nixon took the fall for Watergate (which is small potatoes, then and compared to now). The same establishment is here now, Nixon's an easy target, but at least Henry Kissinger isn't getting a nice obituary either.

In the interests of historical fairness, Nixon and Kissinger did finally do good things for U.S. relations with China and USSR. Too little too late for both of them.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28563293 - 12/01/23 04:44 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)



Jesus... How fitting.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28563316 - 12/01/23 05:56 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I took a swipe at the old man, too. Yet, if we are being honest....the international hit man like diplomacy that Kiss got inked greatly influenced and made the US more powerful.

I get it, it's the means. If there was another Kissenger in China or India that had a competitive advantage like the US, does anyone really think that country would abstain from taking that advantage? Par of the course, plenty of historical examples all around us.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28563403 - 12/01/23 07:50 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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I took a swipe at the old man, too. Yet, if we are being honest....the international hit man like diplomacy that Kiss got inked greatly influenced and made the US more powerful.

I get it, it's the means. If there was another Kissenger in China or India that had a competitive advantage like the US, does anyone really think that country would abstain from taking that advantage? Par of the course, plenty of historical examples all around us.




Damn dude...

I don't know why the people who defend insidious characters like Kissinger always try to play pragmatist. The things he did were not even good for America from a pragmatic... Machiavellian perspective. Honestly. Kissinger's legacy is a murderous stain on America's soul. One that has not yet finished making it's mark.

Antony Blinken just said, after he died, that he was consulting with Kissinger up to a month before he died. Unfortunately, it's always easier to make the case that death and destruction are in our best interest, over peace. One is seen as strong, and the other weak. It will probably always be that way, and that is a shame.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28563454 - 12/01/23 08:45 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.

You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?


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    #28563458 - 12/01/23 08:48 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

This only works under the underlying assumption that it is better to rule over ashes than play second fiddle in a flourishing world.


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    #28563465 - 12/01/23 09:02 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?




I think it was an inevitability. Nixon wanted to normalize relations with China.

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All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.




Look... Since we're buds... I'm not gonna talk to you about Kissinger anymore. In my opinion, he was an irredeemable  bloodthirsty maniac, who was utterly drunk on power. I'll leave it at that ;-)

When I think about characters like Kissinger, I see red...


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28563473 - 12/01/23 09:05 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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This only works under the underlying assumption that it is better to rule over ashes than play second fiddle in a flourishing world.





The US tries the middle ground. We have created ashes and a flourishing world.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28563479 - 12/01/23 09:10 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28563487 - 12/01/23 09:15 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?




I think it was an inevitability. Nixon wanted to normalize relations with China.

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All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.




Look... Since we're buds... I'm not gonna talk to you about Kissinger anymore. In my opinion, he was an irredeemable  bloodthirsty maniac, who was utterly drunk on power. I'll leave it at that ;-)

When I think about characters like Kissinger, I see red...





As my first post, history will not be kind. You could post the most noble world leader ever, and there will be something negative there. Everyone has to make a judgement call if the scales are tipped one way or another. I don't think he was a good person on the scale tip side. I have heard stories of him toning down a drunk Nixon though. To say he absolutely no part in anything beneficial (like China) is not accurate in my opinion .


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28563491 - 12/01/23 09:17 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
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That was one of the best episodes before the co op of CNN, if I wasnt mistaken. He did a meal with a dude on Laos which was similar.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28563513 - 12/01/23 09:34 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I actually reject the notion that there has to be a maniacal blood thirsty super power in the world. I think it is possible for there to be a world in which people coexist, without anyone doing the sort of horrible things Kissinger is responsible for. That's why I oppose war, except under very specific circumstances. It's possible to create massive influence in the world, through economic prosperity and good-will, rather than coercion and destruction. That is the approach China is taking today.

Yes, every person has flaws, however, good deeds were the exception to the rule, with Kissinger.


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    #28563531 - 12/01/23 09:45 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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I actually reject the notion that there has to be a maniacal blood thirsty super power in the world. I think it is possible for there to be a world in which people coexist, without anyone doing the sort of horrible things Kissinger is responsible for. That's why I oppose war, except under very specific circumstances. It's possible to create massive influence in the world, through economic prosperity and good-will, rather than coercion and destruction. That is the approach China is taking today.

Yes, every person has flaws, however, good deeds were the exception to the rule, with Kissinger.





Me too.
I don't think the fucked operations in Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, etc tip the scale that America is that fucked regime you speak of. We have to admit the fucked shit we do. We also have to admit the good. I don't think because something has flaws that the entire entity itself must be thrown out irredeemable. 
*although there is a minority that are* there are exceptions to this, but thats the judgement call I spoke of.

Again, not a Kissinger fan. He will be viewed mostly by his unnecessary "secret" wars, in fact, he is getting a heavy dose relatively quicker than most.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #28563611 - 12/01/23 10:57 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

After 35 years of basing foreign policy on the domino theory (Vietnam, Chile, etc. etc.) it turns out the theory was wrong.

Not really an intellectual breakthrough. Nobody important could have stayed important declaring that earlier. Robert McNamara was as influential advising Presidents during the early Vietnam years as Kissinger was later. In 1995 McNamara said he no longer believed the domino theory. In 1996 the Defense Department published a paper saying the theory was initially true, but lost credibility in the 70's. Guessing so much counter evidence accumulated that they had to fess up. If we learned a lesson from this, it probably wasn't a good one.


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    #28563810 - 12/01/23 01:38 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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We have to admit the fucked shit we do. We also have to admit the good.




Tell me about the good.


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    #28563836 - 12/01/23 01:53 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

-The 1st Amendment.
- The food.
-Been deployed everywhere and some of the coolest people I have met here.

- The US remains the #1 country where immigrants reside. If we suck so bad, why is this?

- Although there are always exceptions to the rule, I believe most people get a halfway decent shake at a good life.

I mean, there's more.


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    #28563883 - 12/01/23 02:23 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I meant more... foreign policy-wise.

Of course there are a lot of great things about America haha... I wouldn't argue there.


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    #28564044 - 12/01/23 05:01 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I will admit, the last couple decades are sparse.

NATO
Declaring war after Japan attacked
Around 60 billion in aid
12 billion to the UN.
WW1
Broker for Bosnia Peace
NAFTA

Off the top off my head.


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    #28564429 - 12/01/23 08:42 PM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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I will admit, the last couple decades are sparse.

Broker for Bosnia Peace

Off the top off my head.




Fixed that for you.

I guess you're right... America's done some good in the world.

:smirk:

I would say that the greatest thing America has done for the world, is the Revolutionary war, which inspired revolutions throughout the world.


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    #28564458 - 12/01/23 09:09 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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    #28564460 - 12/01/23 09:11 PM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Pretty sure that was the French and the British, technically speaking. And then Switzerland designed the first actual internet internet as we'd recognize it, instead of specific networking capabilities.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos]
    #28564765 - 12/02/23 05:29 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

You mean in the sense that it wasn't UseNet? Pretty sure that was invented in the US, and while uncommonly spoken of today, it remains extremely widely used. Depending on the indexer you chose, you can access just about anything you want. That's been the case since at least the mid 80's, though the content of course was limited, as was the hardware capability. Those limitations were universal of course. Browsing to a site via a distinct easily recognizable address came later, but UseNet had been going for a decade before that, and still marches on to this day. I use it every single day.


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    #28564878 - 12/02/23 07:42 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?




I think it was an inevitability. Nixon wanted to normalize relations with China.

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All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.




Look... Since we're buds... I'm not gonna talk to you about Kissinger anymore. In my opinion, he was an irredeemable  bloodthirsty maniac, who was utterly drunk on power. I'll leave it at that ;-)

When I think about characters like Kissinger, I see red...





As my first post, history will not be kind. You could post the most noble world leader ever, and there will be something negative there. Everyone has to make a judgement call if the scales are tipped one way or another. I don't think he was a good person on the scale tip side. I have heard stories of him toning down a drunk Nixon though. To say he absolutely no part in anything beneficial (like China) is not accurate in my opinion .





Evil people do occasionally do non-evil things. That doesn't make them any less evil.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28565003 - 12/02/23 09:29 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Nor does it make them absolutely evil.  I do think there are some that meet that threshold, though. Was Kissinger on the same scale say of Nero or the Khmer Rouge? That's ones judgement call.


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    #28565010 - 12/02/23 09:32 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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-The 1st Amendment.
- The food.
-Been deployed everywhere and some of the coolest people I have met here.

- The US remains the #1 country where immigrants reside. If we suck so bad, why is this?

- Although there are always exceptions to the rule, I believe most people get a halfway decent shake at a good life.

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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28565015 - 12/02/23 09:40 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

No thats not the panty waste, "America is so evil" dribble I hear from people while they are obviously able to live here. They have food, given they post here for years, have the time to post here so aren't on the street. Of course life can suck, get in line with everyone else. Stop using the USA as the sole source of life's bullshit though.

So the 1st Amendment isn't good?


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    #28565016 - 12/02/23 09:44 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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Nor does it make them absolutely evil.  I do think there are some that meet that threshold, though. Was Kissinger on the same scale say of Nero or the Khmer Rouge? That's ones judgement call.




Pretty sure Kissinger and Nixon's bombing campaign in Cambodia had a lot to do with the Khmer Rouge.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos]
    #28565027 - 12/02/23 09:58 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

I have read it created  "the conditions". I am open to more information to that but haven't found anything definitive, yet.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28565040 - 12/02/23 10:09 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

I have nothing definitive, I just find that massive bombing campaigns have a tendency to destabilize situations, and rebels have an easier time seizing power when conditions are unstable.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #28565070 - 12/02/23 10:41 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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No thats not the panty waste, "America is so evil" dribble I hear from people while they are obviously able to live here. They have food, given they post here for years, have the time to post here so aren't on the street. Of course life can suck, get in line with everyone else. Stop using the USA as the sole source of life's bullshit though.

So the 1st Amendment isn't good?




I think universal healthcare is good, that doesn’t mean I think the British empire is/was a net positive for the world.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28565086 - 12/02/23 10:51 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

Reminds me of an old philosophical/religious question I once heard: What are the chances of all the physical constants lining up so perfectly by chance, and not by design? 100%. 1 of 1 universes have them all lined up.

Could the good be achieved without the bad? I'd like to think so, but we can't really go back in time and check.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28565137 - 12/02/23 11:24 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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No thats not the panty waste, "America is so evil" dribble I hear from people while they are obviously able to live here. They have food, given they post here for years, have the time to post here so aren't on the street. Of course life can suck, get in line with everyone else. Stop using the USA as the sole source of life's bullshit though.

So the 1st Amendment isn't good?




I think universal healthcare is good, that doesn’t mean I think the British empire is/was a net positive for the world.




Oh shut up. You eat McDonalds... DONT FUCKIN LIE dude..

So go get a whopper and some freedom fries and shut your fuckin mouth, panty waste..


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28565150 - 12/02/23 11:33 AM (1 month, 25 days ago)

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No thats not the panty waste, "America is so evil" dribble I hear from people while they are obviously able to live here. They have food, given they post here for years, have the time to post here so aren't on the street. Of course life can suck, get in line with everyone else. Stop using the USA as the sole source of life's bullshit though.

So the 1st Amendment isn't good?




You know my favorite thing about America, if we're going to make lists and shit?

Freedom to dissent.

I exercise that right every single day of my life, more often than a religious person prays to the almighty. So, God bless America, but if nobody else is gonna say it, I will: Lady liberty shoulda been a fat bitch, America's foreign policy has been terrible for almost a century, budweiser is a shitty beer, and the president is truly representative of the people... from the retarded blowhard of yesteryear, to the functionally retarded geriatric nightmare of today!

The first amendment is great. I'll have my cake, eat it too, and bitch about it the whole way down, cuz that's my god given right.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28566079 - 12/02/23 10:27 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

^ now that is  one king hell of a post.  I tip my proverbial hat to you Bigbadwolf, as dissent is in fact what your country was born of.

Hilarious that this behemoth now girds the globe and punishes those who dissent from accepting its power and labyrinthine influence, often with death.

The United States has become empire. And empire was everything your forebears resisted and fought against.

Ahhh the madness. But mate, what a post. :thumbup:

Kissinger died at one hundred. How many hundreds of thousands died prematurely as a result of his influence in American foreign policy, for no good reason at all?

May history drag its bare hairy arse over his memory.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Milleresque]
    #28566086 - 12/02/23 10:31 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

History won't. Time will.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Milleresque]
    #28566237 - 12/03/23 04:28 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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^ now that is  one king hell of a post.  I tip my proverbial hat to you Bigbadwolf, as dissent is in fact what your country was born of.




Indeed!

:toast: Cheers mate!

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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28569174 - 12/05/23 12:55 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)

So I happened across Biden's official statement on Kissinger's death, and this shit is COLD. Dude dug his ass up and buried him a second time.

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I’ll never forget the first time I met Dr. Kissinger. I was a young Senator, and he was Secretary of State—giving a briefing on the state of the world. Throughout our careers, we often disagreed. And often strongly. But from that first briefing  — his fierce intellect and profound strategic focus was evident. Long after retiring from government, he continued to offer his views and ideas to the most important policy discussion across multiple generations. Jill and I send our condolences to his wife Nancy, his children Elizabeth and David, his grandchildren, and all those who loved him.




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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28569195 - 12/05/23 02:28 AM (1 month, 22 days ago)



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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28570051 - 12/05/23 02:50 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

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So I happened across Biden's official statement on Kissinger's death, and this shit is COLD. Dude dug his ass up and buried him a second time.

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I’ll never forget the first time I met Dr. Kissinger. I was a young Senator, and he was Secretary of State—giving a briefing on the state of the world. Throughout our careers, we often disagreed. And often strongly. But from that first briefing  — his fierce intellect and profound strategic focus was evident. Long after retiring from government, he continued to offer his views and ideas to the most important policy discussion across multiple generations. Jill and I send our condolences to his wife Nancy, his children Elizabeth and David, his grandchildren, and all those who loved him.







What's so bad about that?

Wish I could write his eulogy... That shit would be cold bro.. But it would be fire, also.


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    #28570196 - 12/05/23 04:39 PM (1 month, 22 days ago)

Haha, in detail?

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I’ll never forget the first time I met Dr. Kissinger. I was a young Senator, and he was Secretary of State—giving a briefing on the state of the world.




This leads into a "good old days" anecdote...which is notably missing.

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Throughout our careers, we often disagreed. And often strongly.




This begs for a "but... here's how he was a good guy I still worked with..." anecdote. Also notably missing.

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But from that first briefing  — his fierce intellect and profound strategic focus was evident.




This is...basically the most neutral way of phrasing it. Also, "profound strategic focus" is a nice way of saying "ruthless asshole", or "morally bankrupt utilitarian", or possibly even just "manipulative fuck".

Edit: there is a "but", as implied per the previous point. But no positive anecdote.

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Long after retiring from government, he continued to offer his views and ideas to the most important policy discussion across multiple generations.




"Offer his views" is, again, the most neutral way of saying it. he didn't "share his wisdom" or "provide his expertise"...he only "offered his views".

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Jill and I send our condolences to his wife Nancy, his children Elizabeth and David, his grandchildren, and all those who loved him.




This not-so-subtly implies that Jill and Joe Biden do not fall into the category of "those who loved him".

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Biden, being president, had to say something, and could not say anything bad. So he basically chose to say nothing at all. This is a finely crafted "fuck this asshole" by omission.


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    #28577404 - 12/10/23 05:01 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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As my first post, history will not be kind. You could post the most noble world leader ever, and there will be something negative there. Everyone has to make a judgement call if the scales are tipped one way or another. I don't think he was a good person on the scale tip side. I have heard stories of him toning down a drunk Nixon though. To say he absolutely no part in anything beneficial (like China) is not accurate in my opinion .




Having done a few good things is a low bar, though.  He was in a very prominent position as a top-ranking political figure, all eyes were on him, he had to look like he was not a complete scumbag.


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    #28590818 - 12/20/23 05:06 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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    #28591287 - 12/20/23 12:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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