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Kissinger kicked the bucket
    #28561256 - 11/29/23 07:31 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Good? Bad? I'm still thinking through the details.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28561274 - 11/29/23 07:37 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

Nothing like a little morning napalm over Cambodia.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 5
    #28561339 - 11/29/23 08:24 PM (1 month, 28 days ago)

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Good? Bad? I'm still thinking through the details.




I definitely disagree with him on policy, but he had America’s best interests at heart and had the respectability and decorum necessary for a statesman. A throwback to when America had good conservatives who would choose country over party.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos]
    #28561507 - 11/29/23 10:48 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

No question he had power, lots of it and the Executive more than just listened to it. I do respect that he still had a mental acuity with him as homeboy was certified ancient. That said, the devious strategy in Chile, Pakistan, Laos, Cambodia, there is more

......dont think history will be kind.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 4
    #28561511 - 11/29/23 10:53 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

Kissinger was shit.

He won't be missed


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    #28561829 - 11/30/23 08:25 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)



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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #28561911 - 11/30/23 09:32 AM (1 month, 27 days ago)

Really surprised it took this long. Man had some longevity


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: YellowBelly] * 5
    #28562140 - 11/30/23 01:05 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)



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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28562689 - 11/30/23 06:56 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)

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Good? Bad? I'm still thinking through the details.




I definitely disagree with him on policy, but he had America’s best interests at heart and had the respectability and decorum necessary for a statesman. A throwback to when America had good conservatives who would choose country over party.


jk rot in hell bitch




God damn... you had me goin for a minute dude..

Fuck.. lol


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28563249 - 12/01/23 03:16 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

His death toll was always 7 figures, but until today I hadn't heard an argument that the illegal bombing of Cambodia caused the Khmer Rouge genocide that killed a quarter of their population (beyond what we already killed). Even if that's debatable it's at least partially true.

There was an amusing Kissinger quote today, I guess from his memoirs, where he said many times he had to stop crazy drunk Nixon from blowing up the world.

Partitioning the blame for establishment evil is a tough call especially when they were in bed together, because Nixon took the fall for Watergate (which is small potatoes, then and compared to now). The same establishment is here now, Nixon's an easy target, but at least Henry Kissinger isn't getting a nice obituary either.

In the interests of historical fairness, Nixon and Kissinger did finally do good things for U.S. relations with China and USSR. Too little too late for both of them.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28563293 - 12/01/23 04:44 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)



Jesus... How fitting.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28563316 - 12/01/23 05:56 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

I took a swipe at the old man, too. Yet, if we are being honest....the international hit man like diplomacy that Kiss got inked greatly influenced and made the US more powerful.

I get it, it's the means. If there was another Kissenger in China or India that had a competitive advantage like the US, does anyone really think that country would abstain from taking that advantage? Par of the course, plenty of historical examples all around us.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28563403 - 12/01/23 07:50 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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I took a swipe at the old man, too. Yet, if we are being honest....the international hit man like diplomacy that Kiss got inked greatly influenced and made the US more powerful.

I get it, it's the means. If there was another Kissenger in China or India that had a competitive advantage like the US, does anyone really think that country would abstain from taking that advantage? Par of the course, plenty of historical examples all around us.




Damn dude...

I don't know why the people who defend insidious characters like Kissinger always try to play pragmatist. The things he did were not even good for America from a pragmatic... Machiavellian perspective. Honestly. Kissinger's legacy is a murderous stain on America's soul. One that has not yet finished making it's mark.

Antony Blinken just said, after he died, that he was consulting with Kissinger up to a month before he died. Unfortunately, it's always easier to make the case that death and destruction are in our best interest, over peace. One is seen as strong, and the other weak. It will probably always be that way, and that is a shame.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28563454 - 12/01/23 08:45 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.

You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?


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    #28563458 - 12/01/23 08:48 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

This only works under the underlying assumption that it is better to rule over ashes than play second fiddle in a flourishing world.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28563465 - 12/01/23 09:02 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?




I think it was an inevitability. Nixon wanted to normalize relations with China.

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All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.




Look... Since we're buds... I'm not gonna talk to you about Kissinger anymore. In my opinion, he was an irredeemable  bloodthirsty maniac, who was utterly drunk on power. I'll leave it at that ;-)

When I think about characters like Kissinger, I see red...


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28563473 - 12/01/23 09:05 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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This only works under the underlying assumption that it is better to rule over ashes than play second fiddle in a flourishing world.





The US tries the middle ground. We have created ashes and a flourishing world.


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28563479 - 12/01/23 09:10 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28563487 - 12/01/23 09:15 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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You dont think Kiss and China was an accomplishment?




I think it was an inevitability. Nixon wanted to normalize relations with China.

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All in a function of a nation, bro. Especially one that has been on top. The fact remains that if any other nation had the advantage of the US, things would be similar, unfortunately. That's not an excuse, but an explanation. When you can grab more power and influence without taking it in a coercive manner or killing people, let me know.




Look... Since we're buds... I'm not gonna talk to you about Kissinger anymore. In my opinion, he was an irredeemable  bloodthirsty maniac, who was utterly drunk on power. I'll leave it at that ;-)

When I think about characters like Kissinger, I see red...





As my first post, history will not be kind. You could post the most noble world leader ever, and there will be something negative there. Everyone has to make a judgement call if the scales are tipped one way or another. I don't think he was a good person on the scale tip side. I have heard stories of him toning down a drunk Nixon though. To say he absolutely no part in anything beneficial (like China) is not accurate in my opinion .


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Re: Kissinger kicked the bucket [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28563491 - 12/01/23 09:17 AM (1 month, 26 days ago)

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Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
-Anthony Bourdain







That was one of the best episodes before the co op of CNN, if I wasnt mistaken. He did a meal with a dude on Laos which was similar.


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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


Edited by SirTripAlot (12/01/23 09:17 AM)


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