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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Land Trout] 1
#28586199 - 12/16/23 11:58 PM (1 month, 11 days ago) |
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How interesting... I just made up an ajar jar to 'noc with some beao spores I got from holo, then I saw this thread today... Turns out the print I have is of the slow weaker strain, so if anyone here's got a print (or partial) of wavy's strain I love to get some "under the scope". I've got an idea to try...
So what's the idea? Grass seed, the wonderful nutrient base who's good name has been unfairly besmirched for all times due to Violet/Anne's nonsense.
On the topic of natural habitat, while I've not hunted them myselves it seems that many of the photos of them show them growing in grassy areas. Y'all who have hunted them can maybe confirm or contradict this? If the general consensus seems to be that they are secondary decomposers, and Workman had success fruiting them on manure-based substrates, it seems to me that it may be either a grass/dung species that evolved to live off partially decomposed forest litter, or more likely a secondary forest litter species that learned to survive off grass-based nutrients due to deforestation (natural or anthropogenic).
It may just be me rambling because I made a big batch of dry-sift hash for the holidays, but these and ovoids seem to be species that are in the process of evolving due to catastrophic changes in climate. I'd blame Meltwater Pulse 1a and b for the evolutionary path of ovoids moving from forest litter to river debris, or another of the many great floods that have washed away great forests multiple times throughout geologic history. But while ovoids are common, beaos are more rare. To me this hints at them being younger in their evolutionary path, or at least slower because they are more secondary than primary.
Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is I'd like to try beao culture on grass seed soak water agar, and GS "grains" to test my hypothesis.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: wavyedge] 1
#28591553 - 12/20/23 03:37 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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wavyedge said: Guerilla grow is planting somewhere not on your property.
Not really. A guerilla grow is just a stealthy grow, whether it's on your property or not. All of my beds are "guerilla" because they are just mulched landscaped beds surrounding my house that would still be mulched if I wasn't growing fungi in them. Not one single person who didn't know they were spawned would suspect they are.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: wavyedge]
#28591568 - 12/20/23 03:50 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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wavyedge said: Well in my recent testing, rye grass seed soak agar performs slower for colonization than dilute grain soak agar.

On the left is grain (oats) cook water agar. Right is RGS cook water.
What was your Water:Soak Water ratio for each of those batches? The rye grass one seems quite darker than your oat grain one, implying that it is quite higher in nutrients. If you used the same ratio for both, then I'd have to say the grass seed leached out more nutrient during the soak than the oats did. Even if it's just that the grass seed contains more tannins than the oats, tannins are still a nutrient for basically all woodloving species. If it is a secondary decomposer it won't like the higher nutrient content.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: ghiajake]
#28591580 - 12/20/23 04:00 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Would be interesting to know the pH difference between your two agar types, if it was a tannin issue the rye seed one should have a lower pH than the oat one. Agar and grain pH is an issue that just doesn't get talked about enough when discussing cultures stalling out.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: ghiajake]
#28591585 - 12/20/23 04:12 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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Has anyone in the group tried starving the culture? Since it apparently doesn't like high nutrients it would be nice to know the lower limit as well. From what I've seen so far all y'all's myc looks tomatose, finding the lower nutrient limit may cause the myc to flip rhizo.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: wavyedge]
#28591593 - 12/20/23 04:20 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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This may just be a trick of lighting, but does the bottom right plate in your pick have radial leading edges from the two 'noc points where I put the red circles? I've seen that kind of "ghost edge" with Hericium sp. often.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: wavyedge] 2
#28591711 - 12/20/23 05:27 PM (1 month, 7 days ago) |
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wavyedge said: Guerilla grow is planting somewhere not on your property.
Not really. A guerilla grow is just a stealthy grow, whether it's on your property or not. All of my beds are "guerilla" because they are just mulched landscaped beds surrounding my house that would still be mulched if I wasn't growing fungi in them. Not one single person who didn't know they were spawned would suspect they are.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_gardening
I guess that depends on whether you consider growing psilocybe mushrooms to be "gardening", which I do not. They are not "food, plants, or flowers" to use your link's definition, and since fungi are more related to us than plants you can't appropriately use plant terms at all for cultivating them.
I get that that is more my own Apsie issue than other people care to get into, so let's just look at the relative definition of the word "guerilla" when used as an adjective. Copied from Cambridge's website:
guerrilla adjective [ before noun ] UK /ɡəˈrɪl.ə/ US /ɡəˈrɪl.ə/ using unusual methods to create or get attention for your ideas, art, products, etc., usually ones that cost little money and involve using public spaces:
Yes, it does mention public spaces. But it does not mention using other people's private property like your wiki definition does. That's just illegal trespassing. Notice it says "usually" (not "always"), but begins by saying "using unusual methods". That's a bit of an oxymoron since if people "usually" use public spaces, then the "unusual method" would be to use your own spaces. Besides, building a mushroom bed that mimics a natural bed somewhere that's not on you property is not "guerilla" because it is the usual method they grow anyways, not the "unusual method".
Technically "guerilla gardening" uses "guerilla" as an adverb since "gardening" is a verb, which it does not have a definition for and is not a correct way to use the adjective. Sure, "guerilla garden", "guerilla grow", and "guerilla warfare" are correct usages since they precede nouns, but it defaults back to the standard definition I listed above when used as an adjective.
Anyways, I'm sure nobody cares about about the correct usage and definitions of terms like I do. The point is that "guerilla" boils down to "unusual methods" no matter how it's used, and I argue that mimicking natural processes in areas that they would normally grow anyways if they were local to your region does not fall under the definitions of "guerilla" or "gardening". It's simply just "wild propagation", technically no different than if an animal (or human) ate a fruit and puked/shat it out in a new area for the spores to germinate and colonize.
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#28592704 - 12/21/23 12:41 PM (1 month, 6 days ago) |
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Nichrome said: Thank you for the etymology lesson on those terms. I learned some stuff and broadened my understanding of my born language and words I use regularly. I love both the origins of elements of language as well as their evolution through time and into the future. Through our interactions we create an evolving vernacular.
If the term guerrilla grow is used in context to a certain vernacular, and is used properly pertaining to that vernacular, then the usage is valid. It would fly in a modern college paper. So would the term fly if contextualized in the same vernacular. Guerrilla growing is well defined and well used in the modern American counterculture vernacular.
In that sense I have done a lot of guerrilla grows and enjoy it very much. My mulch, public places, natural spaces, etc. I was spreading cyanescens around Olympia Wa parks and trails as far back as 01. I try to bring spawn to the huge city mulch piles every year still. That mulch is eventually sold by the city to bag mulch companies that show up with dozens of semi trucks. Then it gets sold worldwide. Doing my part.
So back to the topic at hand, my brf LC is doing splendidly. It will be ready to fill bank vials and play with grains and substrates soon enough. This Wavy spore culture is the fastest baeo I have seen yet.
In the 20's American jazz vernacular, I'm a viper and I'm going to get busy smokin' tea. 
I'd argue that "American counterculture vernacular" is just a fancier PC term for the word "slang", but like I said in my reply I totally understand that's more of me being an Apsie than me expecting others to agree with me.
But as you said, back to the main topic... I mentioned in one of my replies to wavy that it would be interesting to know the pH differences between his two types of agar, since that's a topic not usually discussed when talking about cultures stalling. Since you're having good results with BRF LC, have you thought to check your LC's pH?
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Re: The Official Baeocystis Thread [Re: Nichrome] 1
#28603005 - 12/30/23 06:52 AM (29 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Looks like my BRF and well water LC brine is right about neutral out of the pc and cooled to room temperature.
The Baeo LC is now mature and grew about as fast as a cube LC in the same recipe made the same day. Lightning speed.
It will go to rye very soon.
Right on, thanks for checking.
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