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My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again 8
#28539792 - 11/12/23 07:28 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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if you make a patch about a foot deep, you get a spawn reservoir that can't send up mushrooms, but what i does send up is mycelial threads trying to connect.
If you then every 2-3 years top off the patch with fresh chips, you get a perennial woodlover patch

this patch haS been going for 16 years now. Last year it had an epic flush, after this year i'll add 5kg more beech chips.
This year i'm trying small chips, 1/4", that have been heat dried to kill fungi, animal bedding chips also used for smoking fish.
Its a bit weak this year so i'm going to kickstart it to power up the mycelium.
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Asante]
#28539805 - 11/12/23 07:34 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Hell yeah. That is dope man! I have absolutely zero experience in woodlovers but it would be cool to try this. What temperature is their fruiting range? I live in a very cold climate zone
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: SupaThaRipper] 2
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Fungifun.org said: Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
https://www.fungifun.org/pmwiki.php/English/Psilocybe-Azurescens-Outdoor-Cultivation
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Cosmikktraveler] 1
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Fungifun.org said: Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
https://www.fungifun.org/pmwiki.php/English/Psilocybe-Azurescens-Outdoor-Cultivation
I did the Dutch translations for fungifun TEKs, great to see the site is still around!
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Fungifun.org said: Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
https://www.fungifun.org/pmwiki.php/English/Psilocybe-Azurescens-Outdoor-Cultivation
Damn I’m in 5a 😩
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: SupaThaRipper]
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Asante, your patch is inspiring!
Did you initially place the spawn in this bed, or is this a naturally occurring patch that you’ve maintained/supplemented?
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: SupaThaRipper]
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Wow, this is amazing! Super cool project 
What type of spawn did you plant in the ground?
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
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Fungifun.org said: Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
https://www.fungifun.org/pmwiki.php/English/Psilocybe-Azurescens-Outdoor-Cultivation
Damn I’m in 5a 😩
Ovoid would be a good one to try, the exist from Washington to San Diego. They’re a subtropical species Ps. Niveotropicslis that’s been found in Florida that would be a good candidate, however spores would be hard to come across for a couple years. Such a beautiful thing Asante
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Nonagon] 1
#28539903 - 11/12/23 08:45 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Nonagon said: Asante, your patch is inspiring!
Did you initially place the spawn in this bed, or is this a naturally occurring patch that you’ve maintained/supplemented?
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Guys I'm going to show you what was done, and then tell you how to do it!
==================================================== WHAT WAS DONE:
Species: Psilocybe cyanescens (Wavy Caps) Activity: High (dried 12-25mg/gr) Dimensions: 3 x 2 foot, 10 inches thick (approx 150 ltr) Substrate: Course Beech Woodchips (pet bedding) Purpose: Outdoor Spawn Reservoir Status: mature bed, second flush Location: Holland, early november
THE BED
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870189-PsCyan091110_0.jpg>
Here's the bed. It was allowed to become mossy to see whether the patch moisture level would be positively affected and whether the moss would allow the patch to not just fruit on the sides (it's an uncased beech wood chip patch, which tend to only fruit peripherally), and with this second flush, the most abundant ever seen on this patch, a month after the first, this appears to be the case.
Wavy Caps poking right through the moss
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870204-PsCyan091110_1.jpg>
Cream of the crop, what not to like about this picture? All aspects of the habitat show beautifully
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870215-PsCyan091110_2.jpg>
Mycelium showing, note the wavy margins
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870228-PsCyan091110_3.jpg>
Various growth stages, overgrowth as can be seen were stingy nettles
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870241-PsCyan091110_4.jpg>
Tight cluster near the wall at the patch's edge
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870253-PsCyan091110_5.jpg>
Note the prominent umbo's on the caps!
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870265-PsCyan091110_6.jpg>
Harvesting just the biggest ones of the patch yielded 80 grams fresh; ~4gr fresh on average. Note the blueing already on the stems and the spore-bearing lamellae.
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870277-PsCyan091110_7.jpg>
Given the number of shrooms still on the patch, this one flush will definitely yield about a dried ounce if it can ripen before the frost. The first flush, in early october, yielded about 8 dried grams.
Now, a bit later, the 1 dried ounce barrier was broken.
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HOW TO DO IT:
--You go to the webshops of some Shroomery Sponsors and buy a Psilocybe cyanescens spore syringe, some vermiculite and some brown rice flour. If they are out of Psilocybe cyanescens syringes you can opt for Psilocybe azurescens, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe bohemica, Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe serbica or Psilocybe moravica for similar results.
--You get a bunch of 1/2 pint jars (like ~250ml veggie jars from the supermarket) and with a nail you punch a hole in the center of the lids.
--of every 4 jars, you fill 2 with vermiculite, 1 with brown rice flour and 1 with water, then mix this to a loose "dough" and you loosely fill the jars with it, leaving about an inch free at the tops of the jars. Clean the inner rims, then cover with half an inch of straight, dry vermiculite and lay on the lids, don't screw them on. Cover the lids with a layer of tin foil.
--take a cooking pot, put a dishwashing cloth in and pour in 2 inches of water, then put the jars on top of that, on the stove and cover with a lid. Bring to a boil, then boil for 1 hour. Turn off the gas and let it cool down to room temperature overnight, leaving the lid of the pot on.
--the next day, take the jars out of the cooking pot and put them on the table. Shake the spore syringe well, then de-cap it, heat the needle with a disposable lighter till it sputters and drive it though the tin foil, through the hole, through the covering layer of vermiculite in your substrate. Wait 15 seconds then inject a bit of spore solution. Pull the needle out slowly and cover the tin foil with another layer of fresh tin foil. Repeat with all the jars. A syringe is generally 10cc. You should in theory be able to do 5 x 4 jars with it, but in practice 3x4 jars is more than ample. Put the jars in a closet at room temperature. You want to avoid drafts and excessive light. Do not handle the jars at all, if you can.
--After about 3-9 weeks, the jars will be completely covered in white mycelium, which basically looks as if they are stuffed with pure white cotton. Discard all jars that show strange colors immediately, by throwing them away whole and unopened. Now a joyous time begins: You have finished Sterile Technique and won't EVER have to work that carefully again.
--go to a petstore and get hardwood woodchips used for animal bedding. Do not use the ubiquitous yellowish compressed blocks of wood fiber, these are almost invariably softwoods (like pine) which are too resinous to support growth. What you want is the big loose bags of untreated wood chips. Good kinds are beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , sweet gum and sycamore wood chips. Chips used in smoking (fish or meat) are usually perfect.
--How many jars have made it? Multiply this number by 10-20 and scoop that many jars of dry chips into a large container, and cover it with water, and leave it to soak up water for 24 hours, then let the water leach out for at least 1 hour. Lets for simplicity's sake say 1 jar made it, and that you are preparing 10 jars of wood chips (2.5 liters) for it.
--open the jar(s) with mycelium and scratch the contents out with a fork in a bowl. Use the fork to crumble the mycelial mass as finely as you can. Then, add it to the 10fold excess of leached wood chips and mix it really well. Put it into a plastic storage box to a depth of about 4-10 inches and cover it with a trashbag, which you secure in place with a few clothespins so that iot is covered but the mycelium can breathe. Keep this at room temperature for several weeks to months, until it has grown shut. If its needed, but chances are it won't, mist the mycelium occasionally with a plant mister. When the chips are colonized a joyous time begins, because at this point it becomes very hard to screw the grow up anymore!
--If you don't have a garden and don't want to guerilla farm, you can put these boxes outside in autumn when temperatures range to 50'F to a little above freezing, the fully colonized chips covered with half an inch of potting soil. At these temperatures the mushrooms will fruit directly on top of the substrate, even if you don't use the soil layer.
--Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8. The range can likely be extended also to zone 5, but the beds will need to be protected by applying a layer of fresh wood chips or a thicker layer of straw to survive the low temperatures in winter. You can check what USDA Hardiness zone you live in. If you grow in boxes and only take them outdoors during a few months of temperatures from 50'F to a little above freezing, colder zones are possible.
--If you do have a garden or want to take it to the forest, prepare wood chips by soaking and leaching as described before. Again, you use 10-20 times the volume. One jar led to 10 jars in the plastic box and thus will need 100 jars (25 liters = 6.5 gallons) of wood chips.
--In the ground, dig small tenches or holes about 4-10 inches deep. If you want to maximize your initial harvests, make trenches 4 inches deep and wide and as long as you want, side by side, spaced 4 inches apart. If you want maximum spawn per surface area, make it a few big shallow holes 10 inches deep. Use the moistest parts of your garden or forest, and especially under bushes etc where theres little wind and light. You guessed it: the very parts of your garden useless for gardening!
--break up the spawn, the fully grown woodchips from the box, as finely as possible and mix them very well with the excess of leached wood chips, then dump it into the trenches or holes. The chips level should be about even with the ground. At this point you can use your bare hands or a spade to do the mixing and handling. Alternatively you can simply cover the ground under the bushes with a 4 inch thick layer of chips and be rid of it. Its good to make several locations where you dump the spawn to always have a backup in case weed mushrooms take over a grow. This can be in the same garden, but I urge you to go evangelical and offer to mulch the gardens of tripping friends, make patches into the wild etc.
--if you did all this in spring, in late autumn you might already see your first harvest. If it does or doesnt, next season there will be a harvest. Water the patchers if really needed in summer, but dont overwater them. Shrooms are akin to the creature from the horror movie "The Thing": every single part of the organism, no matter how tiny, can be introduced to fresh wood chips and grow out to replicate the whole organism. The patch can dry out a bit, and revitalize after rain. It can take frosts of -25'C/0'F if it has to. At this point a really joyous time begins because not only will you be harvesting one of the worlds strongest mushrooms each year with minimal effort, but your grow has become virtually indestructible.
--in the years to come, after the patches showed their first or a few seasons of mushrooms, you can break up the patches and use them as spawn to make more patches. One mushroom patch can be expanded to ten mushroom patches. Ten to 100. You end up mulching gardens of nontripping family members because they see the benefits to their garden and see the mushrooms as a really cute addition to their garden in late fall. You can go to the forest with bags of spawn and mix it with decaying wood, here, there, everywhere!
==================================================== IS IT WORTH IT?
<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870215-PsCyan091110_2.jpg>
You be the judge. What I described, if taken step by step, is REALLY easy to do. It doesnt require expensive equipment or unobtainable supplies. It has a high success rate.
Wavy caps like in the picture have a potency of 12-25mg psiloc(yb)in per dried gram, making them 2-4x more potent than the common cubie thats being sold. They are easily identified and turn blue on bruising like nobodies business. The high, compared to cubies, seems to be clearer, higher energy, and more euphoric than that of cubies. If you dry them and store them in a jar in a dark closet they are still strong a year later. In the freezer, they stay potent for a decade or more.
Once the ball is rolling your growing of one of the strongest shrooms in the world becomes as sophisticated as the most basic gardening, and you in essence invest big bags of woodchips to get big bags of powerful shrooms. You will no longer be dependent on what a shady dealer might offer, but instead you have 100% organic shrooms in abundance, more than you can eat, and with your spawn you have the possibility to make your tripping friends independent too.
So you tell me, is it worth it?
Now, ten years after that post, I have been adding beech wood chips every 2-3 years, simply topping it off, and the Wavy Caps became endemic to the small bed.
I planted a small Sakura Tree in the middle of the bed.
This was the right move, it turned out, it resulted in the biggest crop ever.
In 2020, 10 years after the former post was made, and just having topped up the bed with more woodchips, a whopping 680 wet grams, 1.5lbs wet wavy caps, were harvested off the patch.
I was afraid that the Sakura would suck the patch dry but no, none of that at all, the mushrooms love the tree and the tree thrives.
This is what you get if you get into woodlovers: you do the sterile work once and then you mulch, and you mulch, and you mulch, and your woodlovers will keep on growing and yielding if you have a good strong species like Psilocybe cyanescens.
These are 2-3x as strong as cubensis, in the dry state typically they contain 12-18mg Psilocybin.
The harvest is huge for this wild patch, about 3x of an average year.
Last year I was an asshole about how I handled the bed. I had pain in my back and resentment in my heart so I poured a bag of beech wood chips in the indentation in the bed, I threw two buckets of water over it and went inside 
BUT NOW LOOK! BIGGEST HARVEST EVER!!



680 grams, 1.5lbs of fresh super strong Wavy Caps after chucking a bag of dry wood chips and two buckets of water onto a bed that was established about 12 years earlier. 
I ask you again..
...is it worth it?
The Little Wavy Caps Patch That Could
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Land Trout]
#28539909 - 11/12/23 08:51 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Land Trout said: Ovoid would be a good one to try, the exist from Washington to San Diego. They’re a subtropical species Ps. Niveotropicslis that’s been found in Florida that would be a good candidate, however spores would be hard to come across for a couple years. Such a beautiful thing Asante
Thanks! I’m going to do a little research and see if I can find some spores. Why do you say a couple years particularly?
@Asante, thanks for the lengthy write up!
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28539925 - 11/12/23 09:08 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Because there’s only been a few fruits of niveotropicalis found across the whole world, so until a few people cultivate them and get the genetics in circulation. Oh, and I totally got my zones flip flopped, the cyan/subaeruginosa family can totally be done in zone 5, rizoryder grows some of the best azzies in zone 4. It’s not so much about zone Vs can you keep the fruiting conditions for the time they need. Oh shit, I reread my post and see where the confusion comes from. I mistyped I meant to say there is a recently described species named niveotropicalis. And that is a separate species from ovoid.
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Asante]
#28539928 - 11/12/23 09:11 AM (2 months, 15 days ago) |
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Thanks for your contributions. I guess the autor or this page/website are Anno's ? He also took nice pics about azzies : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/1519/imgpl/4/imgpp/32/folder/azures
Anyway I check this page often to prepare to make my guerrilla cyan patch which will surely be done next year and I hope to be able to contribute on the woodlovers thread very soon !
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Land Trout] 1
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Land Trout said: Because there’s only been a few fruits of niveotropicalis found across the whole world, so until a few people cultivate them and get the genetics in circulation. Oh, and I totally got my zones flip flopped, the cyan/subaeruginosa family can totally be done in zone 5, rizoryder grows some of the best azzies in zone 4. It’s not so much about zone Vs can you keep the fruiting conditions for the time they need. Oh shit, I reread my post and see where the confusion comes from. I mistyped I meant to say there is a recently described species named niveotropicalis. And that is a separate species from ovoid.
Can confirm I’m in zone 4 and have several perennial patches in the yard, cyans, azurs, allenii, and subaeru, more to try next year. I do struggle with the short natural season we have here though, if left to nature I frequently get about a 2-3 week window of good natural conditions, though it seems climate change is slowly fixing that as well… Going to be trying to fix that next year with some built-ins to better manage temps when it gets too cold.
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Asante]
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Wow, 16 years, that's pretty cool. I hope I end up in a situation where I can try some outdoor grows one day.
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Cosmikktraveler] 4
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Cosmikktraveler said: Thanks for your contributions. I guess the autor or this page/website are Anno's ? He also took nice pics about azzies : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/1519/imgpl/4/imgpp/32/folder/azures
This year's P. azurescens, on spruce chips:
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Anno]
#28558479 - 11/27/23 03:15 PM (2 months, 7 minutes ago) |
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I probably can't try this anytime soon . I was still wondering though, is it basically just one flush once per year? Or do they continue to pop up for a couple weeks/months?
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Kinoko314]
#28558746 - 11/27/23 07:08 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Kinoko314 said: I probably can't try this anytime soon . I was still wondering though, is it basically just one flush once per year? Or do they continue to pop up for a couple weeks/months?
Can’t answer your question but fungus gnat is handing out wavy cap prints on marketplace. You might wanna snag one so you have one when you’re ready
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Kinoko314] 2
#28558968 - 11/27/23 11:00 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Kinoko314 said: I probably can't try this anytime soon . I was still wondering though, is it basically just one flush once per year? Or do they continue to pop up for a couple weeks/months?
1 to 2 flushes in october/november.
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: Anno]
#28558970 - 11/27/23 11:02 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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Hey Anno,
Long time no see.
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Re: My 16yo Wavy Caps patch is at it again [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28559507 - 11/28/23 01:59 PM (1 month, 30 days ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: Hey Anno, Long time no see.
Indeed. Hello.
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