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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28554753 - 11/24/23 08:13 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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When a girl is forced into marriage or motherhood that is slavery.




But that's not a issue for the women claiming being a mother and raising children is a form of slavery.  If a mother feels like a slave, she made a very poor choice in choosing to have children, selecting her partner, or both.  Who is telling women that motherhood is slavery?  Any ideas? 

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But this thing about abortion and personal freedom in society with regards to our own bodies and minds is of paramount importance.




Hold on - we just spent 3 years of half the world mocking "free-dumb"!

Remember - "freedom" means NOTHING when others well being is at stake!

People who claim "my body my choice" are unwillingly to consider giving choice to the unborn and the usually the father.  "Pitting the sexes one against the other" - none of my comments ring true that men are being demeaned and demonized?  I could provide many other examples, but if those points are meaningless to you, it would be a waste of effort.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28554805 - 11/24/23 09:34 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

consider a lifetime, which follows childhood, exposed to "caregivers" who don't care.  [more like under the thumbs of resentment and hate]

the freedom of a child is not to exist, but to thrive. existence is slavery.

many of the problems we face are from not understanding how the mind is both freedom, and entrapment, and a childhood without love is entrapment and evil for everyone.

you must rethink abortion not from the point of view of killing unformed babies, but from the point of view of running hospitals and insane asylums and prisons for damaged minds that come from unwanted children.

Our current society must at least glance at itself from time to time before thinking in absolutes.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28554825 - 11/24/23 09:57 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

Wouter van Eck: Basic Food Forest Principles

Wouter van Eck describes how Food Forests work on his farm in Nijmegen, the Netherlands. See how we could adapt perennial polycultures and natural structures into our farming and daily lives.

Pernnial polycultures is the key term here. We need to learn how to turn our lawns in food forests and find away to grow our crops to feed everyone.

I am 43 year old man with no kids, no wife, no nothing, just living by myself, isolated, not connected to the land in any meaningful sense. I get welfare payments for disability/biopolar disorder/paranoid personality disorder.  I've got about 5 spears of asparagus, clover, lambs quarter and some miniature strawberries and a rhubarb plant. It's not enough to feed one person.  I'm completely at a loss as to what to do with my time. I wish I could produce and work more, to generate and harvest food, but it seems I'm losing my ability to move around and think freely. I don't feel free, inside or out.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28554829 - 11/24/23 10:02 AM (2 months, 3 days ago)

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...  I've got about 5 spears of asparagus, clover, lambs quarter and some miniature strawberries and a rhubarb plant. It's not enough to feed one person.  I'm completely at a loss as to what to do with my time. I wish I could produce and work more, to generate and harvest food, but it seems I'm losing my ability to move around and think freely. I don't feel free, inside or out.



you could probably grow Kilos of oyster mushrooms
and sell them.
you could probably bake scones and sell them or mushroom pies.
Baking is a fun way to be busy, and it feels wholesome.
What do I know? (don't answer that, it's rhetorical)


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28555371 - 11/24/23 06:49 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Economic growth might become useless when all jobs get converted to automation.

THAT ^ is when it will become a "Brave New World"

I guess you might call it communism having everything done for you for free.

I'm sure people can still share ideas..

Also maintenence jobs might still be real..


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28555509 - 11/24/23 10:37 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

The ideas of capitalism and communism is the idea of people getting what they deserve.

I mean this both in a good and bad way..

You work hard you get paid off..

You have good ideas, you get rewarded.

If you commit crime you get punished or rehabilitated.

But what is it that is coming to you?

You should be honest about this.. when people deserve more or less than you.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28555599 - 11/25/23 03:30 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

It hasn't been fair.

the gradients used to be 100% by birth, born to slavery, born to farm labor, born to merchants, born to land owners, born to royalty.

now it is 40% by birth, country of origin, family wealth and connections, luck, then comes ideas, hard work & recognition, with recognition being the most fluid commodity, somehow tied to the idea of influence.

Having or applying the right influence to get your contribution recognized even if you did not work for it very hard seems to be happening. In some ways it has become a shameless age of liars.

Anyway the rewards from the system are also becoming more fleeting. Values keep shifting, even real estate is compromised by climate upheavals.

I would not try to hack this influencer liar phase, it just seems so plastic. Work on quality projects that you perceive have some lasting value, stay healthy, and what comes comes.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28556413 - 11/25/23 07:00 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Sometimes people see your dollar making ability as your self worth..


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28556494 - 11/25/23 08:20 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

A visit to a gem mine and some recent concrete work gave me the idea to mix sand (and other minerals) with epoxy resin. I've been making bowls and chess pieces. Bonus, resin is expensive but the objects I'm making are 75 percent sand/rocks.

Air layering is an inexpensive way to clone woody and semi-woody plants. People pay good money for grape and blueberry plants among others.



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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Rahz]
    #28556695 - 11/26/23 03:54 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

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A visit to a gem mine and some recent concrete work gave me the idea to mix sand (and other minerals) with epoxy resin. I've been making bowls and chess pieces. Bonus, resin is expensive but the objects I'm making are 75 percent sand/rocks.

Air layering is an inexpensive way to clone woody and semi-woody plants. People pay good money for grape and blueberry plants among others.





looks great!
you are making fabulous moulds, or is it 3-d printing, (you did not say filament).
can you use an organic binder to help with down stream microplastics?
I could see your sand invention catching on, but if it were kidsafe (nontoxic) and ecological... then you have a timely blockbuster range of products.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28556764 - 11/26/23 06:27 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

They're from molds, and thank you.

I don't know where this hobby is going yet. Being curious and doing things for fun often leads to profit. Follow interests.

But be practical about it. I had to accept years ago I'll never be a professional guitarist. I've been playing over 30 years. I'm okay but there are those who are better after playing 1 year. I have no natural talent for it.

I have one side of my fence covered in grape vines, makes good privacy. I wanted to buy enough vines to cover the rest. I figured it up and it would have been about $500. I'm not a breadfan but money saved is money spent elsewhere so I will try air layering this spring.

With a roll of plastic wrap and some used soil mix I could end up with way more grape plants than I need.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Rahz]
    #28556785 - 11/26/23 06:41 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

something to wine about?


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28556804 - 11/26/23 07:24 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

I prefer to eat them off the vine.


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Rahz]
    #28556810 - 11/26/23 07:29 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

vynot!??


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28556916 - 11/26/23 09:08 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

They're grape just the way they are!


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Re: Paradigm beyond economic growth [Re: Rahz]
    #28557019 - 11/26/23 10:27 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

sounds purplefect


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