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Am I too sensitive?
    #28556110 - 11/25/23 02:40 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Ok, now I can actually draw some conclusions about my first two experiences with psilocybin I used mushrooms, 0,85gr dry pan cyans, for the first time a week ago, with a good mate, and it was absolutely fantastic. Slight visuals, laughing a lot, generally a very nice experience, that everyone would totally enjoy.
I thought that this was it, that I understood what was all about shrooms..... untill today.
Today I went to the same friend, and I had enough shrooms for me, him and his wife. We all ate 0,8gr dry, and.....all hell literally broke loose.
First of all, the effects started after about 15 minutes, not 45 to an hour, as I've read that is normal. Me and his wife had the exact same trip, same effects, same everything. We even "shared" visuals and it was like we were in total synch, and I really don't understand how could that be possible.
The trip itself was very very intense, reality just ceased to exist, it got completely broken to pieces. There were brief moments, of about a minute or two, when I had some semblance of clarity, and a chance to catch my breath, as the experience was very taxing, mentally, and then again everything just melted away. I couldn't even manage to roll a cigarette. I am talking demons here. It was scary as hell, watching my body as if I was outside of it, as if it was someone else's body. The trip lasted about 4.5 hours, and I repeat, we are talking 0,8 dry here, which is slightly less than I took last Sunday (0,85).
I wasn't scared btw, as I had the instinct to just let go, and let the shrooms so their thing. I didn't try even once to guide the trip somewhere, I just let go, just that, and I think that is why I wasn't scared (even when I saw her slippers and I was sure they were demons from hell, that my mate bought to protect his wife). My friend felt almost nothing btw, which is odd.
So, am I lucky to be so sensitive, that a very small dose can just take all reality and turn it into a dream?

ps. I absolutely enjoyed the trip.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28556195 - 11/25/23 04:12 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Mushrooms do not have a consistent amount of active alkaloids across them. Laboratory tests have recorded individual mushrooms having 10x the alkaloids of other individuals grown together.

Makes it interesting.  :awesome:


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28556202 - 11/25/23 04:20 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

totally interesting, hahaha


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Northerner]
    #28556208 - 11/25/23 04:28 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Still, we are talking really thin pan cyans, every 0,8gr dose consisted of several individual mushrooms, so in theory, potency "should" be divided pretty evenly. Well, I guess there are no guarantees there!
One thing became clear though, you really need to plan ahead for the trip, I am very thankful that the set and setting were perfect. I cant imagine how it would be if it wasn't.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28556215 - 11/25/23 04:32 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

From now on I will be starting the session with half the dose I plan to take, and re-dose accordingly. I mean, it was perfect, but I was completely, utterly non-functional for around 5 hours. It isn't something one can do in a weekday :cool:


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 2
    #28556222 - 11/25/23 04:37 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

To get even dosing you can crush your shrooms together to homogenise them, then capsule them up to prevent oxidization.

Or just spin the lucky wheel.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Northerner]
    #28556795 - 11/26/23 07:03 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

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To get even dosing you can crush your shrooms together to homogenise them, then capsule them up to prevent oxidization.

Or just spin the lucky wheel.



Northerner, are you a member too in a slingshot forum? Could be more than one....Northerner, just checking.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28556798 - 11/26/23 07:13 AM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Nah not me.

I'm on here, DMT-Nexus and Shaman Australis.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #28556904 - 11/26/23 09:04 AM (2 months, 23 hours ago)

You will have to accept that you could possibly be going places that are a million miles away from anything you would feel "comfortable" with.........if you do anything resembling a "beginner" dose.

It's not possible to predict the outcome, and there is no dose (beyond maybe the very smallest), that doesn't have the potential to cause the strongest experience they are capable of.

And they are capable of an extremely strong experience.

So.........

I guess there is no point in having the belief that you have control over how strong the trip will be.

It's an unknown variable.

No measurements can be considered accurate.

Nether in dose or experience or what you can consistently expect.

I know not everyone would agree with me on that, but what you are describing in your question is sort of the proof in itself.


Unfortunately, I can't reassure you that you have a chance in hell of avoiding a very powerful trip if you continue to do them, or especially if you up the dose.

But tripping isn't bad, just unpredictable, so you just have to accept that fact.

I would say I'm jealous that you can trip on such a small amount, but then again, it doesn't matter if it takes a person allot or just a little.

You can get an accurate idea of how they effect you (with some experience)

But that experience will come with unexpected experiences along the way, so you can't get experience, and hide from it at the same time.

Can't eat your cake and have it too. (As Ted Kazinski would say)

Sounds like you had a pretty good time though 😊

It's really up to you.

Even if you become familiar with how they effect you, and you can calculate the dose to suit the level you are hoping to maintain, and you don't (inevitably ) still end up having an expectedly strong trip....... well then you still have to consider that each mushroom varies in it's strength.

But just keep it on the lower side, and.........

Well shit....... I can't even say that will work.


🤔

Good luck.......I guess?

Yep, that's what I meant to say........ good luck! 🤞👍👍😊


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #28557311 - 11/26/23 02:30 PM (2 months, 18 hours ago)

:blah:


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #28557326 - 11/26/23 02:39 PM (2 months, 17 hours ago)

Guys, I am wondering, is it normal to enjoy the scary part of the trip? I mean, I was scared literally by everything, glasses, lighters, slippers etc, as they were morphing and changing shapes, but I was enjoying it in reality, it was a bit....theatrical? Dont know how to explain it any better.
Something tells me that the line between "enjoyable" scary, and...really scary, is very thin. Not that I mind, but better be prepared, even though I dont think that one can be prepared, except taking care of set and setting of course, because afterwards, something tells me that we really are at the mercy of the fickle shroom Gods, which I came to really appreciate.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28557364 - 11/26/23 03:02 PM (2 months, 17 hours ago)

yes absolutely, you were close to the strange things and enjoyed the closeness.

it is an honour to be close this way.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 2
    #28557367 - 11/26/23 03:03 PM (2 months, 17 hours ago)

People who simply like tripping enjoy it when it gets hectic. I like it too. Of course I feel thankful when it finally backs down a little bit, but it's still awesome. That initial coming up chaos, where I don't know how high I'm gonna go or if I'm just gonna fly right past the moon is the freakiest bit for me. It's like being strapped to the wheel and having the lucky spin done to me.

I reckon some people don't like it though. Plenty of threads on here where people thought psychedelia would be a gentle place that would fix all their problems but turned out to be a terrifying creature of chaos. I guess they didn't read all of the label on the packet. :grin:


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Northerner]
    #28557386 - 11/26/23 03:27 PM (2 months, 17 hours ago)

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Mushrooms do not have a consistent amount of active alkaloids across them. Laboratory tests have recorded individual mushrooms having 10x the alkaloids of other individuals grown together.

Makes it interesting.  :awesome:




Does that mean two separate doses of the same weight could have a different amount of active chemical?


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28557409 - 11/26/23 03:45 PM (2 months, 16 hours ago)

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Something tells me that the line between "enjoyable" scary, and...really scary, is very thin.




Not only that but many emotions can be experienced blindingly fast too on that thin line. I believe it is a combination internal and external input that drives the experience. So the same situation could produce a genuine fear response but because of who you are in the moment, it may also produce gut splitting laughter. Your emotion response  is determined by how you are processing the moment. Psychedelics add a layer, or million layers, to that processing.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skizor1337]
    #28557442 - 11/26/23 04:15 PM (2 months, 16 hours ago)

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Quote:

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Mushrooms do not have a consistent amount of active alkaloids across them. Laboratory tests have recorded individual mushrooms having 10x the alkaloids of other individuals grown together.

Makes it interesting.  :awesome:



Does that mean two separate doses of the same weight could have a different amount of active chemical?



Unless the mushrooms are grown from a monoculture this is given.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi]
    #28557452 - 11/26/23 04:21 PM (2 months, 16 hours ago)

Sounds normal. Pan cyans are a lot stronger than cubensis to begin with, and as Northerner said, the actives can vary by 10x.


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #28557482 - 11/26/23 04:41 PM (2 months, 15 hours ago)

I am in agreement with all of you guys. Northerner, what you said rung true, I really really enjoyed the Chaos (capital C),I guess I just like tripping! My friend liked it too btw. But yes, it is very exhausting, those few, brief moments of clarity, are a boon. I liked the exhaustion part too of course, because of how good it felt when I was almost normal for those 30 seconds every 20 minutes :smile:


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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Skropi] * 1
    #28557527 - 11/26/23 05:11 PM (2 months, 15 hours ago)

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Guys, I am wondering, is it normal to enjoy the scary part of the trip? I mean, I was scared literally by everything, glasses, lighters, slippers etc, as they were morphing and changing shapes, but I was enjoying it in reality, it was a bit....theatrical? Dont know how to explain it any better.
Something tells me that the line between "enjoyable" scary, and...really scary, is very thin.




I enjoy the slightly sinister vibe that mushroom trips sometimes have, as though you have entered some kind of deranged amusement park where the rides are all in your head. I was tripping in a hotel room, waiting for the trip to kick in, looking at the 'do not disturb' sign and thinking "But I *want* to be disturbed. That's half the fun."

There's a thrill to riding a trip which is at the edge of your comfort zone, and even something enjoyable in the sinking feeling that you've taken too much and things are going to get much worse before they get better.

You're right that there is sometimes a thin margin between enjoyably scary and genuinely terrifying, where a feeling of brooding anxiety turns to existential dread, an overwhelming feeling of wrongness, and then panic. The dose makes a big difference but can be hard to judge for the reasons already discussed.

The 'theatrical' aspect of all this is a good observation, I think the phrase "theater of the mind" is appropriate. It's good to keep a sense of humour and not to take the trip too seriously - the mindfuck is all part of the programme. A recent trip I had was pretty strong but did give me that feeling of acting out some kind of play and just going along with it.

The pans cyans can be brutal, a seemingly tiny amount can unleash an overwhelming psychedelic onslaught - this is a link to an old report on a trip that is still very fresh in my mind many years later:

Pans Cyans: Outrageous Visuals, God & the Zoo Inside My Brain

As it says there "Sometimes you eat the mushrooms. And sometimes they eat you."

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Re: Am I too sensitive? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #28557941 - 11/27/23 04:05 AM (2 months, 4 hours ago)

The word "sinister" describes the feeling perfectly! It seems that one has to...re-learn language after consuming shrooms :biggrin:


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