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Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening 2
#28518013 - 10/25/23 06:00 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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How do you deal with and manage spiritual awakening? I'm having a hard time processing this all. Is there anything I can do?
It just feels like a rite of passage, like a learning? But it's freaking me out. Like, how did I so miss this?
I really feel I might have a disease of spiritual amnesia, where I forget everything I've learned when I go into the "other worlds" and then "return". It's frustrating me again, that I can't pin it down and return the knowledge back.
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Realize there is nothing to realize
Don't try too hard to grasp what can't be grasped
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster]
#28518114 - 10/25/23 06:51 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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I don't know. Now, I have "proof" of telepathic communications. Am I supposed to just pretend this doesn't "exist"?
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster] 1
#28518153 - 10/25/23 07:22 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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There is a teaching about chopping wood and carrying water that can be applied. It means that the basics of life still apply even after enlightenment and or spiritual awakening.
Many people have telepathic experiences. You are in good company there and should not deny your experiences. You know you are part of a whole greater than yourself and clearly appreciate that.
Please don't feel discouraged or let yourself be overwhelmed by your experiences or interactions with others. I love you and what you are doing. So you know.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: Nillion] 1
#28518268 - 10/25/23 09:04 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Thank you Nillion. That does mean a lot, appreciate the words.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster]
#28518335 - 10/25/23 10:21 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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You should embrace this flooding of sensory overload..
In psychology there is a term called flooding to deal with social anxiety..
Just go through the experience and you should come out clean on the other side.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28518341 - 10/25/23 10:26 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Thanks Brendan, that helps! It’s just really shocking to me that it’s true. I was absolutely convinced this was BS, but now I’ve seen a bread crumb of evidence that leads me back all the time. But it’s operating a little more on faith (only back when I return), that’s okay though. I like that, as I want to still be part of the here and now, spend time with loved ones — the Divine can wait.
I just feel like there was a toggle between “here” and “there” that was more binary before, more on/off nature. Now, it’s more of a gradual continuum of the same thing as different states of consciousness. That’s making it less of shock, but I’m finding it difficult to just “move on”, like this wasn’t supposed to be a thing, was the worldview I grew up with. I was a full-on pseudo skeptic. I’m still very confused why I haven’t heard any of this before, was I asleep or something? Why isn’t this more of a thing? Do other people just go through spiritual awakening and are expected to be “normal” afterwords? Why aren’t people talking about this phenomenon before? I feel like I’ve just turned on the TV and missed something big my entire life. I’m working on moving on, but - talk about a plot twist.
What do I do to advance? Were you shocked when you started going through it? How did you get to balance when your world was turned upside down? How did you initially take it? What led you to finding peace with it?
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster]
#28518347 - 10/25/23 10:42 PM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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I think a good question is..
Why is this happening?
Where is this leading to?
Regarding "moving on": I think the key is to enjoy the plateau that you are on.. and absorb what you can to the best of your ability..
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28518507 - 10/26/23 04:58 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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What do I do to advance? Were you shocked when you started going through it? How did you get to balance when your world was turned upside down? How did you initially take it? What led you to finding peace with it?
It is peace. There is no peace but for scraps with ego or body it seems. The energy brings major detox in all levels. It is like vibration that the body doesn't take to quickly if at all. A healthy pure body is good for it but the detox is also emotional and mental.
We fear it, the awakening, the detox, underneath due to investments of ego because it is a letting go of much or all of it, identifications. Yet, nothing substantial is lost as ego meets it in the "I" or being.
My first thought in having to deal with it was I don't really. When getting run over, one lays in the mud for a while. Not helping is retreating back to old patterns in the cycles.
A teacher called it agitation saying plainly what it does.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: syncro] 1
#28518594 - 10/26/23 07:30 AM (3 months, 1 day ago) |
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Wow, thanks for both of your posts Nillion, Brendan, and syncro, they really help.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
Edited by solarshroomster (10/26/23 07:30 AM)
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster]
#28521830 - 10/28/23 11:50 PM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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We should talk more. I personally find that a lot more pranks happen to me now. Like silly things. Because I’m more aware of spirits now. Which I kind of find endearing. Like when you reach down to grab something. And suddenly a gust of wind will blow it just a little bit further away from you. Or when you drop something. And then it bounces in lands, in a very strange way… It’s hard to describe. When you see it. You would know what I’m talking about. Do you experience anything more interesting now that you’ve kind of started coming to grips with the fact that there is something else going on here besides just death? Sincerely, GC
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: GenesisCorrupted] 2
#28522020 - 10/29/23 07:56 AM (2 months, 29 days ago) |
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The rate of synchronicities increased dramatically. A lot of skeptics would say that synchronicities are just the result of the "law of large numbers" and sheer probability occurring, but there's times where (a) a sensible judgment call says it's unlikely to be just "random coincidence" and (b) the rate of synchronicities in your life accelerate. So, in other words, probability should produce a roughly even occurrence of synchronicities across time. What happens if the occurrences spike, say, after a mystical experience? What are we to conclude then?
One synchronicity I experienced that I thought was unreal: I was thinking about the number 555, and I couldn't get it out of my head. I'm not into numerology, and considered that (at the time), "junk pseudoscience". But, whatever reason, I couldn't get that number out of my head. I then step into my friend's bedroom, and the first thing he tells me is that his friend called him 5 times in the last 5 hours in the last 5 days.

It got crazier than that. The next hour, I was researching Ham the Monkey. Essentially, to make a long story short, Ham was a chimpanzee that was sent, against his will, into space. He was venerated as a "chimp astronaut" and named "Ham". However, before he successfully made his mission to space, he was just known as "No. 65"
Ham the Money / No. 65
So, in other words, the marketing team tried to avoid a debacle. The thought was that, if the launch, say, exploded, they didn't want the media to go off about how "Ham the Monkey died", they wanted it to be dehumanized, so he wouldn't have a humanesque name, hence "No. 65".
After reading that story, I turned on TV, and a parallel story occurred with the same thing. I forget if it was a 60 Minutes segment, or what, but this is what came on the TV: a Native American was talking about how settlers kicked him out of his land and made him work in forced labor. He was stripped of his name and given a number instead? That number? 65.
"Law of large numbers" my ass.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster]
#28551633 - 11/21/23 02:11 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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solarshroomster said: How do you deal with and manage spiritual awakening? I'm having a hard time processing this all. Is there anything I can do?
It just feels like a rite of passage, like a learning? But it's freaking me out. Like, how did I so miss this?
For you and everybody else.
Nelson Foster, Jack Shoemaker; Ma-tsu (709-788) - The Roaring Stream: A New Zen Reader - Master Ma-tsu and Original Mind; "When Ta-chu came to see the Ancestor for the first time, the Ancestor asked him, “Where are you coming from? “ “I am coming from Ta-yün Monastery in Yüeh-chou, ” replied Ta-chu. The Ancestor asked him, “What is your intention in coming here?” Ta-chu said, “I have come here to seek the Buddha-dharma.” The Ancestor said, “Without looking at your own treasure, for what purpose are you leaving your home and walking around? Here I do not have a single thing. What Buddha-dharma are you looking for?” Ta-chu bowed, and asked, “What is Hui-hai’s [my] own treasure?” The Ancestor said, “That which is asking me right now is your own treasure—perfectly complete, it lacks nothing. You are free to use it; why are you seeking outside?” Upon hearing this, Ta-chu realized the original mind without relying on knowledge and understanding. Overjoyed, he paid his respects to the Ancestor and thanked him. After this he stayed with him for six years and served him as his disciple. Later he returned [to Yüeh-chou] and composed a treatise entitled Essentials of Entering the Way Through Sudden Awakening in one chuan. When the Ancestor saw the text, he said to the assembly, “In Yüeh-chou there is a great pearl [ta-chu]; its perfect brilliance shines freely without obstruction.“
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster] 1
#28551756 - 11/21/23 03:49 PM (2 months, 5 days ago) |
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solarshroomster said: How do you deal with and manage spiritual awakening? I'm having a hard time processing this all. Is there anything I can do?
It just feels like a rite of passage, like a learning? But it's freaking me out. Like, how did I so miss this?
I really feel I might have a disease of spiritual amnesia, where I forget everything I've learned when I go into the "other worlds" and then "return". It's frustrating me again, that I can't pin it down and return the knowledge back.
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Realize there is nothing to realize
Don't try too hard to grasp what can't be grasped
Grounding IMO All spiritual traditions have fundamental ground upon which they build/plant.
I think we can build on that which is groundless and once we realize it, we find ourselves adrift and all our building for naught. Again, IMO, before getting back to work, grounding is important.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: Kickle]
#28552678 - 11/22/23 10:53 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Is there anything I can do?
Learn to let go of preconceived notions. Allow yourself to entertain notions. Accept. Surrender if need be.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#28554602 - 11/24/23 03:08 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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What do you mean by "spiritual awakening"?
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: fractalFox]
#28554603 - 11/24/23 03:12 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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Some people call it a breakthrough. Some people call it a level five. Basically what this guy had…
Apparently that’s what it sounds like when you’re flying through different dimensions.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: fractalFox]
#28554693 - 11/24/23 06:56 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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fractalFox said: What do you mean by "spiritual awakening"?
A sudden awareness that my previous cognition did not capture all aspects to Reality, particularly the profound, ineffable, and eternal aspects.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: solarshroomster] 1
#28554744 - 11/24/23 08:07 AM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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It's a tough one. I don't know. It's the ultimate rug pull.
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solarshroomster said: What do I do to advance? Were you shocked when you started going through it? How did you get to balance when your world was turned upside down? How did you initially take it? What led you to finding peace with it?
There is nowhere to advance. Shocked, disturbed for sure. Time helps. Still trying to find peace. Still have not found it. Maybe I am too stubborn. Scepticism comes back.
Reflecting back, even that crazy intense experience, was an experience and therefore faded away. This too shall pass.
What can I say? Hang in there. weather the storm.
I am in no position to advise, though.
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Re: Initiation of the Mystic - Dealing with Spiritual Awakening [Re: fractalFox]
#28554763 - 11/24/23 08:34 AM (2 months, 2 days ago) |
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fractalFox said: It's a tough one. I don't know. It's the ultimate rug pull.
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solarshroomster said: What do I do to advance? Were you shocked when you started going through it? How did you get to balance when your world was turned upside down? How did you initially take it? What led you to finding peace with it?
There is nowhere to advance. Shocked, disturbed for sure. Time helps. Still trying to find peace. Still have not found it. Maybe I am too stubborn. Scepticism comes back.
Reflecting back, even that crazy intense experience, was an experience and therefore faded away. This too shall pass.
What can I say? Hang in there. weather the storm.
I am in no position to advise, though.
Yep, this is spot on. I was very shocked and disturbed. It overthrew everything I knew.
It's been awhile since my spiritual awakening, so I've since (happy to say) made it "through" the difficult period (some apparently call this "the dark night of the soul".
The way I got through it, was pretty much as you said. Hanging in there, weathering the storm, with brief bouts of skepticism coming in ("I can't believe this is true!").
Once, in the midst of a startled skeptic bout, I shouted, "I can't believe this is true!" and then immediately flipped to a piece in Carlos Castenado's book, and the student remarked the same. Coincidence? Synchronicity? I don't know, but one things for sure: spiritual awakening is a real phenomenon, and it rocks everything you know.
I would actually say there's one thing that got me through the mind-flip of spiritual awakening... it's faith, believing in something but not knowing how/why. Believing in the Good, the capacity for Reality to be Good and loving even when times are difficult. A lot of people say Reality exists for Love, and I put my faith in that.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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