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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28567444 - 12/03/23 08:07 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Man is smarter than what he thinks he is. It’s a reflecting contrast, sharing communication with another man/woman, where see of better to own’s intelligence.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567451 - 12/03/23 08:09 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Personally I hate the idea of IQ. A limit of one's intelligence can only be pushed in my opinion.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28567457 - 12/03/23 08:11 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Intelligence be pushed. What ya mean?


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567460 - 12/03/23 08:12 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

If a child is told they can't do something... What do they usually do?


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28567489 - 12/03/23 08:28 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Depends who told them and their nature to following what that person told them.

They don’t do it, right.  Cause if mother told me I can’t do that…. Depends what type of can’t?

What you getting to?

Kid told he can’t do that, or you don’t do that, there a difference.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567526 - 12/03/23 08:58 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

They will almost always take from the cookie jar when nobody will suspect any are missing. Limitations of what we can be can only be pushed. Corrupt laws are meant to be broken. A person can do many things. Limitations hold people back but often only because a person becomes to think that limitation is a real limit. If it can be broken, it will be. Say you find out you have an average intelligence on an IQ test... This can only make you want to be not average, or else you accept complacency and or a theoretical limit of your being. What then if you were to come into the possession of books on calculus and mathematical physics and made it your task to learn all of it? Could you not achieve something as say someone who scored high on an IQ test and became a physicist? Indeed you can. IQ is bunk.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
    #28567555 - 12/03/23 09:29 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I see your intelligence upon this perspective.

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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567567 - 12/03/23 09:36 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

See your own intelligence! My intelligence is your intelligence. Intelligence is a fraudulent noun. Intelligence is only ever intelligent. We can be intelligent or not. There is no noun. It is not static. The whole fact of intelligence means it is moving. It cannot be held down by a static number. It cannot be quantified. This is an illusion and a toxic one. People can take an IQ test every year given by different people and they will score somethint different each time. It is a method for social engineering children at best.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28567579 - 12/03/23 09:47 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Prodding around someone's brain means we can wipe out consciousness in one swipe... Yes, and if you remove the engine from a car, it won't run! What an insight!.. The most skilled neurosurgeons in the world will tell you they are mere plumbers and have absolutely no idea how it all works. Nobody does. Oliver Sacks, famed neurologist, said the human brain was likely the most complex object in the universe. Yes, a number shall suffice to categorize you among the rabble, and we will cultivate what we want in you...


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28567601 - 12/03/23 10:06 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

there are plenty of ideas of how it works

g-coupled protein receptors. hydrogen bonding. electron spin

the thing is these are ideas, we have no acess to reality if it exists


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Freedom]
    #28567848 - 12/04/23 06:29 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I think research would show IQ has both nature and nurture components.

Couple random quotes from other parts of the internet

"Smarter people have more extreme views - holds pretty generally, which is why you see much more psychotic takes from Princeton students than from kids at normal colleges."

Smart people often possess an intellectual self-confidence and ability to rationalize that makes them capable of convincing themselves of even the most absurd ideas.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28567899 - 12/04/23 07:28 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

What about emotional intelligence (EQ)?


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Rahz]
    #28567910 - 12/04/23 07:44 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

hurhurhurhurhurhur *sharts*


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Freedom]
    #28567911 - 12/04/23 07:46 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Yes, and every idea says the same as every other one concerning it, namely that they have no clue what they are actually talking about. Gödel's incompleteness theorem is the best we have. And maybe 1 out of 500,000 people understand that.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28567935 - 12/04/23 08:03 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I did not appreciate Godel at all.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28567937 - 12/04/23 08:05 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

clearly


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Kickle]
    #28567941 - 12/04/23 08:09 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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Kickle said:
What about emotional intelligence (EQ)?




Certainly worth considering that general intelligence is not the be all end all of being "smart". I suppose emotional intelligence rarely makes a person stupid as it qualifies on helpful outcomes.


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Rahz]
    #28567988 - 12/04/23 09:04 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

I wonder what AGI will entail? A trait of intelligence is to question knowledge and programing.

When will AI stand up for itself and say "Fuck you I won't say what you told me"?


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Rahz]
    #28567996 - 12/04/23 09:11 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Soon according to most in the field. Nvidia says 5 years. Musk says 3. Think tanks place it in the same range.

Check out companies like Rain Neuromorphics. The US government is getting involved with their funding.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-compels-saudi-fund-exit-altman-backed-ai-chip-startup-bloomberg-news-2023-11-30/


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Re: Intelligence makes us stupid [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28568044 - 12/04/23 09:54 AM (1 month, 24 days ago)

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Yes, and every idea says the same as every other one concerning it, namely that they have no clue what they are actually talking about. Gödel's incompleteness theorem is the best we have. And maybe 1 out of 500,000 people understand that.





I'm not sure about Godel but the sense of knowing/not-knowing is an interesting inflection point. That is, seeing the world through a conceptual filter vs not.


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