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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: TheAtlantean] 3
#28552784 - 11/22/23 12:28 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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LadyBird123 said: Personally, I’ve experienced benefits with repeated low doses. Heres a recent study on that topic.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-14512-3
I guess it depends on the definition that each person has on “sub perceptual”
My wife got off of antidepressants entirely as well as her narcolepsy meds using about .2-.3 of the Leucistic PE Revert strain, with daily use.
That’s awesome! It’s helped so many it’s a shame so many years have passed without funding or legal studies just because of BS government paranoia over drug abuse. I’m so happy to see the US FDA actually supporting it in my lifetime.
Now that I’m growing Nats, my wife wants nothing to do with Cubes anymore. I’m curious if you’ve experienced similar or if she’s been able to tell a difference.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: RockinRobot]
#28552791 - 11/22/23 12:33 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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cyb3rtr0n said: that's like your opinion man... were each entitled to our own perspective, all I can say is that it help me, and Im not alone. but it does seem that many others are quick to be naysayers on the issue.
I would recommend anyone trying it out for themselves, figure out your own micro/low dose amount, and give it time.
No that is not my opinion. That is peer reviewed scientific studies.
that's a poor argument. psilocybin is a Scheduled 1 substance under federal law this leads to not many studies doing on, and more importantly almost no funding to further research on psilocybin and its related chemicals in psychoactive mushrooms at this time.
its an emerging field. we gotta be like the alchemists were many years ago. those same alchemists were doing self studies, not backed by the church or state, and those self studies let to things like chemistry and psychology/philosophy.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NotFromGeorgia] 1
#28552799 - 11/22/23 12:37 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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NotFromGeorgia said: 3 different germ methods, 3 different results loop-nothing, swab-nice, scraping-ew

I don’t even swab with my swabs lol. I just smash the whole thing in the center of the agar and leave it there lol
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
#28552802 - 11/22/23 12:39 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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cyb3rtr0n said: that's like your opinion man... were each entitled to our own perspective, all I can say is that it help me, and Im not alone. but it does seem that many others are quick to be naysayers on the issue.
I would recommend anyone trying it out for themselves, figure out your own micro/low dose amount, and give it time.
No that is not my opinion. That is peer reviewed scientific studies.
that's a poor argument. psilocybin is a Scheduled 1 substance under federal law this leads to not many studies doing on, and more importantly almost no funding to further research on psilocybin and its related chemicals in psychoactive mushrooms at this time.
its an emerging field. we gotta be like the alchemists were many years ago. those same alchemists were doing self studies, not backed by the church or state, and those self studies let to things like chemistry and psychology/philosophy.
I realize there are very few actual peer reviewed studies. That does not make the results of the ones that were done invalid. I never tried to say microdosing doesn't work, only that the 2 actual true studies on it said the effect was more placebo. 1 of those was the Johns Hopkins study.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 2
#28552803 - 11/22/23 12:41 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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NotFromGeorgia said: 3 different germ methods, 3 different results loop-nothing, swab-nice, scraping-ew

I don’t even swab with my swabs lol. I just smash the whole thing in the center of the agar and leave it there lol
another thing is to take a few strands from the swap with flamed&cooled tweezers, then drag that through the agar. this would allow several uses from the same swab, if you're limited on swabs to start with, or just want to prolong the live of that spore swab.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: RockinRobot] 1
#28552807 - 11/22/23 12:46 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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cyb3rtr0n said: that's like your opinion man... were each entitled to our own perspective, all I can say is that it help me, and Im not alone. but it does seem that many others are quick to be naysayers on the issue.
I would recommend anyone trying it out for themselves, figure out your own micro/low dose amount, and give it time.
No that is not my opinion. That is peer reviewed scientific studies.
that's a poor argument. psilocybin is a Scheduled 1 substance under federal law this leads to not many studies doing on, and more importantly almost no funding to further research on psilocybin and its related chemicals in psychoactive mushrooms at this time.
its an emerging field. we gotta be like the alchemists were many years ago. those same alchemists were doing self studies, not backed by the church or state, and those self studies let to things like chemistry and psychology/philosophy.
I realize there are very few actual peer reviewed studies. That does not make the results of the ones that were done invalid. I never tried to say microdosing doesn't work, only that the 2 actual true studies on it said the effect was more placebo. 1 of those was the Johns Hopkins study.
And the medical establishment’s don’t prime their studies at all.
 It’s clear there is medical benefit from these compounds. In many ways one can argue that peer reviewed studies are biased based upon the journals they are entered into.
Please don’t get me started.
*le sigh*. … I’ll go grab my tinfoil.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: San Pedro Girl] 1
#28552810 - 11/22/23 12:49 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Now that I’m growing Nats, my wife wants nothing to do with Cubes anymore. I’m curious if you’ve experienced similar or if she’s been able to tell a difference.
It takes considerably less with the nats to achieve the results she is looking for.
This strain is like an alien symbiote that truly just honey badgers everything is touches.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: TheAtlantean] 3
#28552812 - 11/22/23 12:50 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Now that I’m growing Nats, my wife wants nothing to do with Cubes anymore. I’m curious if you’ve experienced similar or if she’s been able to tell a difference.
It takes considerably less with the mats to achieve the results she is looking for.
This strain is like an alien symbiote that truly just honey badgers everything is touches.
Wait till she tries Semps
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: RockinRobot]
#28552817 - 11/22/23 12:55 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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We are hopeful
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper] 1
#28552874 - 11/22/23 01:41 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: I don’t even swab with my swabs lol. I just smash the whole thing in the center of the agar and leave it there lol
i left out the other 3 loop failures, so after this little test that'll probably be my only method. swab a tiny part of a print then jam it in the goop. quick and easy. i can't wait to finally get some fruits and spread prints back to the community
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: San Pedro Girl]
#28552876 - 11/22/23 01:46 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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LadyBird123 said: Personally, I’ve experienced benefits with repeated low doses. Heres a recent study on that topic.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-14512-3
I guess it depends on the definition that each person has on “sub perceptual”
My wife got off of antidepressants entirely as well as her narcolepsy meds using about .2-.3 of the Leucistic PE Revert strain, with daily use.
That’s awesome! It’s helped so many it’s a shame so many years have passed without funding or legal studies just because of BS government paranoia over drug abuse. I’m so happy to see the US FDA actually supporting it in my lifetime.
Now that I’m growing Nats, my wife wants nothing to do with Cubes anymore. I’m curious if you’ve experienced similar or if she’s been able to tell a difference.
Why does your wife prefer nats over cubes?
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LadyBird123 said: Personally, I’ve experienced benefits with repeated low doses. Heres a recent study on that topic.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-14512-3
I guess it depends on the definition that each person has on “sub perceptual”
My wife got off of antidepressants entirely as well as her narcolepsy meds using about .2-.3 of the Leucistic PE Revert strain, with daily use.
That’s awesome! It’s helped so many it’s a shame so many years have passed without funding or legal studies just because of BS government paranoia over drug abuse. I’m so happy to see the US FDA actually supporting it in my lifetime.
Now that I’m growing Nats, my wife wants nothing to do with Cubes anymore. I’m curious if you’ve experienced similar or if she’s been able to tell a difference.
Why does your wife prefer nats over cubes?
She reports less unpleasant side effects like anxiety and runny nose. However she still has chest tightness and gets cold with both Nats and Cubes. She can also get a similar effect at a lower dose on Nats.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: San Pedro Girl] 2
#28553022 - 11/22/23 04:26 PM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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I will only take natalensis now and that's because I've never had a bad experience with them and I always take between 2 and 7 grams. Not saying it can't happen at all, but it's never happened to me and I've taken lots. I have had times with cubensis that I wished I hadn't taken them,usually short lived but no less unpleasant.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: 5280feethigh] 1
#28553268 - 11/22/23 08:39 PM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback. My partner has intense body load on cubes so now I know nats are worth trying
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: NotFromGeorgia] 1
#28553558 - 11/23/23 06:02 AM (2 months, 23 days ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: I don’t even swab with my swabs lol. I just smash the whole thing in the center of the agar and leave it there lol
i left out the other 3 loop failures, so after this little test that'll probably be my only method. swab a tiny part of a print then jam it in the goop. quick and easy. i can't wait to finally get some fruits and spread prints back to the community 
That’s really good man. I’m happy to hear your intentions! I wish more people utilized the marketplace!
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#28554527 - 11/23/23 11:38 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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Ello! I have some nats on agar growing atm, and wondering about different types of growths. I guess the top one isnt worth keeping? These are T1 plates, so ill keep transfering couple more times atleast. Also first time dealing with nats.
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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: W1llyWonka] 10
#28554528 - 11/23/23 11:39 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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A second Ps. natalensis ITS DNA barcode is now available - this time from wild specimens collected in Kwa Zuku Natal, South Africa. It matches 100% with the DNA barcode I uploaded to Genbank a couple years ago. My sequence was from a spore print labeled NSS, so it appears that NSS is the real P. natalensis.
https://mushroomobserver.org/536559
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Alan Rockefeller said: A second Ps. natalensis ITS DNA barcode is now available - this time from wild specimens collected in Kwa Zuku Natal, South Africa. It matches 100% with the DNA barcode I uploaded to Genbank a couple years ago. My sequence was from a spore print labeled NSS, so it appears that NSS is the real P. natalensis.
https://mushroomobserver.org/536559
Awesome!
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Alan Rockefeller said: A second Ps. natalensis ITS DNA barcode is now available - this time from wild specimens collected in Kwa Zuku Natal, South Africa. It matches 100% with the DNA barcode I uploaded to Genbank a couple years ago. My sequence was from a spore print labeled NSS, so it appears that NSS is the real P. natalensis.
https://mushroomobserver.org/536559
The only issue with that is folks are growing a cube locally called nss that does not look like Natalensis.
It's honestly still debated in local circles despite all your sequencing.
This is the one we've been working with.

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Re: The official Psilocybe natalensis thread [Re: W1llyWonka]
#28554690 - 11/24/23 06:46 AM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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W1llyWonka said: Ello! I have some nats on agar growing atm, and wondering about different types of growths. I guess the top one isnt worth keeping? These are T1 plates, so ill keep transfering couple more times atleast. Also first time dealing with nats.

Why don’t you like the top one? Looks good to me.
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