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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28544042 - 11/15/23 01:28 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

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geokills said:
Interesting :strokebeard:

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Jon Rice in Koinos Federation

The Koinos Federation Council has been working behind the scenes to ask some challenging questions about our ecosystem - and to come up with solutions to the overriding issue we all face.

Before we get started let’s be clear. The issue is huge. We are a small community and we’re competing with VC-backed companies with hundreds of millions of dollars to spend. We have no money allocated for any of the activities our competitors can finance.

We have a unique set of value propositions… we are fair-launched, free-to-use and frictionless.

But they won’t be unique forever. We need to take advantage - RIGHT NOW - of the best tech in the industry.

We will not address our issues with piecemeal or cautious responses.

We have identified a way to ensure that Koinos gets the chance to compete.

A way to raise awareness…
To pay for marketing…
To offer meaningful developer grants…
To secure exchange listings…
To find our way onto hardware wallets…

… in short, to do everything this community wants us to do to massively accelerate the Koinos ecosystem.

It’s a bold strategy. It will be contentious. But in our opinion, this is the way we build huge value, rapidly, for the entire Koinos network and everyone participating in it.

It’s also a strategy that aligns with our Charter.

We would like to keep conversation around this proposal in the Federation Telegram chat, where we can track it in one place. https://t.me/koinosfederation

And we will be holding a Town Hall / AMA about the proposal on Thursday at 11am ET. We will post details shortly.

Please read this carefully. We hope it explains our understanding of the issues, and that we considered multiple ideas before we decided on the solution.

You can find the Federation Charter here: https://koinosfederation.com/koinos-federation-charter/

The document is also open for comment, and any member of the community is invited to leave their thoughts for us.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KBMkz_F-Z5ZLDrSa4hmiWs4kC9JLmjjsu9fJquxwlPc/edit?usp=sharing




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Michael Vandeberg (Koinos Group CIO and Co-Founder | Koinos Federation Treasurer) in Koinos Federation

I want to clarify this once and for all. The purpose of this proposal is not to fund Koinos Group.

It is to fund initiatives that benefit the entire Koinos ecosystem. Yes, Koinos Group built Koinos, but we did not reserve a slice of the pie for ourselves. We are a KOIN holder just like everyone else.

The community does not have shared funds for community initiatives. The federation exists for the community. We will coordinate efforts that are difficult to coordinate in a purely decentralized matter because companies in meat space expect to interact with legal entities, not smart contracts. In order to do this, the Federation needs funding. But that funding is not going to "the devs" or "the team". It is for the benefit of the entire community.

I know that most of you understand this, but I am still seeing some confusion, so I wanted to reiterate to clarify any confusion.

We do not want to mint new tokens, but as we explored other solutions it became clear to us that no other solution had the same benefit and reliability to generate the required funds. The reactions most of you are having are the same reactions we had as we talked about it. That is why we specified all of the other solutions we considered so that you too can judge and weigh the pros and cons of each for yourself.




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These are my initial thoughts, they are by no means meant as a personal attack to the council or any of its members.

The fact that Julian and Steve publicly disagree with this proposal tells me the council has made up its mind and that in this discussion early buyers are just haggling to get the best possible deal.

I am surprised and sad to see how the stance of the Koinos Group has changed so suddenly. In essence this proposal means that the POW mining and initial distribution of Koinos was a big mistake. I agree that the initial token distribution created a specific issue: how do we get devs interested in Koinos while so much of the supply is in the hands of holders and while there are no funds/grants available.

The proposal itself is incomplete on the following matters:
- There is no sustainable long term strategy. Minting new tokens is not a sustainable strategy to fund grants. Thinking all problems will be resolve in 5 years is naive. The organization needs to set up several streams of income to become self-sustaining (proposals below).
-The 100M number is arbitrary (getting worked on atm)
-In the budget there has to be a distinction between the amount of KOIN and the amount of USD which is needed. How much KOIN do developers need to power their dApps and how much USD do they need to feed their families? If we mint 100M as little as 10M tokens might be used for mana, the rest will be sold for USD.

My proposal: Rather than pivoting our ethics, why not pivot our place in the blockchain space? For some reason we have chosen to be a blockchain mainly for gaming. Koinos is certainly ideal for that but the space is less predictable to monetize.

There is huge potential to be found in low hanging DeFi fruit. Koinos is ideal for DeFi and financial dApps, especially now with the first bridges being live. Even if Koinos is only mildly successful the next couple of years we can expect hundreds of millions of dollars to move onto the blockchain. Why not capture a percentage of that value? We can build a suite of financial dApps (lending, collateralized stablecoins,…) that generate revenue. The revenue goes to developer grants and the like. Or hold an ICO to raise quick funding. The dApps will have a huge advantage as a first mover on the first feeless blockchain. Just image the total commission a platform like that can rake in. Before it went bust Terra was so popular precisely because it was 95 percent financial dApps and had low fees. Koinos can attract even higher volumes.

My stance is: let’s pivot and not paint ourselves in the gaming corner at all costs. Otherwise we will miss out on obvious value.
A (maybe painful) question to ask: Why onboard a game developer who needs 2M koin? The monetary value we can generate per KOIN token is many orders of magnitudes greater for a financial dApp than for a gaming dApp. Plus it’s easier to extract that value and use it to our benefit.

My suggestion: hold an ICO (or create a VC) and raise funds for such a DeFi platform.

If we can’t build a self-sustaining organization on Koinos, why would anyone else even try?






In other news, Solana has been massively outperforming of late.  Even pushing back up to its recent highs as the rest of crypto, including dominant issues such as BTC and ETH have been pulling back.  This is impressive, and makes me want to be less aggressive in liquidating, although I will still trade around my core position opportunistically if I see an opportunity, and ultimately continue to skim small tranches off on the way up, as a matter of discipline.




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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28544721 - 11/16/23 01:29 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

Well, the proposition has been discarded!


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28550081 - 11/20/23 10:26 AM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Koin. Well, that all worked out wrll 😂😂


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28550410 - 11/20/23 02:40 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

Yeah, not bad.  I just profiled KOIN as a speculative consideration amongst some fairly well capitalized folks just yesterday.  Now, I'm sure that wasn't responsible for the +100% move earlier today... but given the low trade volume on KOIN, who knows? :lol:

Here's what I posted to the some 70 members of the paid member group:

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On the discussion of highly speculative trade positioning (because it's always fun to have one or two of those on your books as a minority holding), I would propose Koinos' $KOIN as a consideration.  Beware however, it is presently only listed on one exchange and volume is extremely low.  However, as you'll see below, that is indeed one of the reasons I like it as a potential mover.

The distinguishing feature of this Level 0 chain is its free-to-use architecture based on "MANA", which automatically regenerates on top of the native KOIN token.  This means that holding KOIN will in turn grant perpetual access to a portion of network resources, and solutions such as MANA liquidity pools can be leveraged to allow people to interact with the network without having to hold any KOIN themselves.  Ultimately, this could prove to be a boon with regard to real world integration utility.

The network currently runs on a three second block time, allowing for fairly low latency usage (which can be improved through the network's system of "fork-less upgrades"), and uses a unique "proof of burn" consensus algorithm that virtualizes hash power, allowing equitable competition for the current 2% annual inflation rewards paid to network miners.

Koinos offers universal language support so developers can work in their preferred language, as well as a team of experienced founders, two of whom helped launch the Steemit network ($STEEM), which saw quite a bit of interest for a time and still ranks amongst the top 300 assets by market cap.

Interestingly, the network was also "fair launched" on Ethereum before their mainnet went live, by allowing anyone to generate KOIN tokens for themselves equitably, and not "pre-mining" AKA reserving a chunk of assets for the founding Koinos Group.  The fact that there isn't a large foundation treasury to incentivize active development has become a point of contention, but a recent third-party proposal to vastly inflate the network supply in order to create a foundation treasury was scrapped, in turn building confidence that the network will not pull away from its fair launch ethos, and instead find alternative grass-roots methods to incentivize development.

Will any of this allow Koinos to drive adoption and catch up to other major networks that already have large amounts of total value locked?  Time will tell... but a free-to-use blockchain that can be infinitely upgraded through smart contract modules without requiring any hard forks would appear to be a fairly attractive feature set.

Although trade volume of the KOIN token remains pitiful, a cross-chain bridge was just launched which could aid in capital flow.  In truth, it is this relative lack of access to the token presently, in conjunction with its low market cap ($18.6MM) and relatively low supply (~33M tokens), that indicate its potential to blast off IF or when the network begins to gain some real traction.  The network remains supported by a fairly active community alongside some dedicated developers, and so it is my belief that KOIN offers a pretty good risk/reward for those looking for a speculative asset.

If we do see a big crypto cycle continue through next year's BTC halving, and especially if the Koinos community finds a way to push development and/or gets a more major exchange listing, I'd be looking for something along the lines of a "relatively easy" 10X return on this. Of course, this is all speculation... but I've laid my thoughts bare for your own consideration.

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28550627 - 11/20/23 05:47 PM (2 months, 7 days ago)

KOIN bouncing back above $1 after a "typical crypto" gut-wrenching pullback from $1.40 this afternoon 😅.  Wouldn't chase it here, but it is nice to see the pop on some 15-20X the usual volume.  I have a ladder of sell orders out on the one centralized exchange MEXC.com where they are listed, but only on a minority of my aggregate position.

Note that those in the USA would need to use a VPN to access MEXC due to geo-fencing.  Also note that no KYC personal documentation is required to use MEXC with up to 30BTC/day withdrawal rights.  But also also note, as our colleague Warren Nung just did, that one should never leave a large amount of exposure on an exchange such as this. 🫡


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28551108 - 11/21/23 05:59 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Ace call. Those group members will heretofore respect the name geokills


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Spaghetti burrito]
    #28551167 - 11/21/23 07:21 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I wish xlm would jujump up to a dollar per coin because I have 738 of them, I would sell and buy a metal detector, but its only like $0.16 a coin

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28551384 - 11/21/23 10:20 AM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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Yeah, not bad.  I just profiled KOIN as a speculative consideration amongst some fairly well capitalized folks just yesterday.  Now, I'm sure that wasn't responsible for the +100% move earlier today... but given the low trade volume on KOIN, who knows? :lol:

Here's what I posted to the some 70 members of the paid member group:

Quote:

On the discussion of highly speculative trade positioning (because it's always fun to have one or two of those on your books as a minority holding), I would propose Koinos' $KOIN as a consideration.  Beware however, it is presently only listed on one exchange and volume is extremely low.  However, as you'll see below, that is indeed one of the reasons I like it as a potential mover.

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The network currently runs on a three second block time, allowing for fairly low latency usage (which can be improved through the network's system of "fork-less upgrades"), and uses a unique "proof of burn" consensus algorithm that virtualizes hash power, allowing equitable competition for the current 2% annual inflation rewards paid to network miners.

Koinos offers universal language support so developers can work in their preferred language, as well as a team of experienced founders, two of whom helped launch the Steemit network ($STEEM), which saw quite a bit of interest for a time and still ranks amongst the top 300 assets by market cap.

Interestingly, the network was also "fair launched" on Ethereum before their mainnet went live, by allowing anyone to generate KOIN tokens for themselves equitably, and not "pre-mining" AKA reserving a chunk of assets for the founding Koinos Group.  The fact that there isn't a large foundation treasury to incentivize active development has become a point of contention, but a recent third-party proposal to vastly inflate the network supply in order to create a foundation treasury was scrapped, in turn building confidence that the network will not pull away from its fair launch ethos, and instead find alternative grass-roots methods to incentivize development.

Will any of this allow Koinos to drive adoption and catch up to other major networks that already have large amounts of total value locked?  Time will tell... but a free-to-use blockchain that can be infinitely upgraded through smart contract modules without requiring any hard forks would appear to be a fairly attractive feature set.

Although trade volume of the KOIN token remains pitiful, a cross-chain bridge was just launched which could aid in capital flow.  In truth, it is this relative lack of access to the token presently, in conjunction with its low market cap ($18.6MM) and relatively low supply (~33M tokens), that indicate its potential to blast off IF or when the network begins to gain some real traction.  The network remains supported by a fairly active community alongside some dedicated developers, and so it is my belief that KOIN offers a pretty good risk/reward for those looking for a speculative asset.

If we do see a big crypto cycle continue through next year's BTC halving, and especially if the Koinos community finds a way to push development and/or gets a more major exchange listing, I'd be looking for something along the lines of a "relatively easy" 10X return on this. Of course, this is all speculation... but I've laid my thoughts bare for your own consideration.

💸 Check 'em out: https://koinos.io/ 🤘🏼








Yeah you rock Geo. Glad i followed your advice!! This thing might buy me a house one day


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28552366 - 11/22/23 03:31 AM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Koin is attracting loads of Chinese investors. Its spreading like wildfire.

Love this meme:
https://twitter.com/KoinSocials/status/1727112622473163087/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1727112622473163087¤tTweetUser=KoinSocials


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28552963 - 11/22/23 03:23 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

Took off ~8% of my total KOIN exposure at an average price of $1.46 over the last day.  Moved 20% of my remaining stash to the exchange to continue dishing it out into strength.  Spun a small piece of that newly moved KOIN out at $2.10 this afternoon, but have a ladder of sale orders all the way up to $3, with order size increasing along the way up.  If everything fills, I'll still have 74% of my original position active... but this asset has moved well over 200% on the week, and it's only prudent to take a little off into that type of explosive action.

Having the discipline to sell some on the rips while still maintaining balanced exposure to assets that are working for you is paramount.  Being a "sold out bull" sucks!  But selling a bit into strength to protect a portion of your profits and more importantly maintain mental clarity during the inevitable pullback, is just plain smart.


Majors in aggregate behaving really well today.  Little bit of weakness as the market digested the Binance settlement and Kraken SEC lawsuit, but coming back very strong right to the top of the short-term range on BTC and ETH.  SOL is still lagging a little bit, but the head & shoulders pattern that would have a measured move down to the ~$40's now appears to be nearly invalidated.

All in all, a very optimistic/positive backdrop for the space. Looks like it should be a very Happy Thanksgiving for crypto! :yesnod:


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28553562 - 11/23/23 06:13 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

I have dca'd my koin to 0.56$, bought all the way from the top to the bottom over a 2 year span.

My selling strategy kicks in starting at 5$.

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28553817 - 11/23/23 09:50 AM (2 months, 4 days ago)

$0.56 is pretty good!  My aggregate basis for KOIN is a bit higher, something ~$0.65.

The fact that volume has picked up in a big way and price has been able to hang around $2 for over a day, indicates that we may just get to that $5 you are seeking.  I don't generally like targets, moreso preferring to let the market tell me what to do rather than attempt to impose my will upon the market (as the later rarely ever works! :tongue2:)... which is why I've had to start liquidating a bit here.  My pie in the sky target for KOIN has always been around $10, but I've been investing long enough to know that if I don't take some profits on something that's tripled inside of a week, there's a major probability that I'm going to regret it upon subsequent retracement.  Afterall, nothing goes up in a straight line (even though in crypto it sure can seem that way sometimes :lol:).

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28554076 - 11/23/23 02:00 PM (2 months, 4 days ago)

Happy thanksgiving!!

Yeah im gonna do some more pondering. Maybe not too bad an idea to get a little skin out the game, if not to try to reinvest and scalp some more Koin with lowbids around the 1.50´s

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #28555366 - 11/24/23 06:45 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Adding back some SOL on the move back through $58, this one has been flagging for a few days and I think it has some more juice left in it.


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    #28555680 - 11/25/23 06:27 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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Happy thanksgiving!!

Yeah im gonna do some more pondering. Maybe not too bad an idea to get a little skin out the game, if not to try to reinvest and scalp some more Koin with lowbids around the 1.50´s

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    #28555682 - 11/25/23 06:29 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Also made a sweet little ride on Ator protocol. They had a black swan event, dumped from around $2 to 0.65$. Bought the dip and sold at $1.

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28559070 - 11/28/23 04:26 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

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    #28559128 - 11/28/23 06:40 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Thanks. With some luck and some guidance🤞🍀


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: tomnl]
    #28559154 - 11/28/23 07:14 AM (1 month, 30 days ago)

Fuck i just missed the train again with coinos...have seen that you guys recommend it but i just cant keep my money online or i spend it :tryingnottodie: .


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Giermmo]
    #28563735 - 12/01/23 12:49 PM (1 month, 27 days ago)
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BTC hit a fresh high for 2023 today! :rockon:

Oh, and get a load of the new Coinbase ad (attached to this post)! :whoa:


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